Team Mafia 2018: Inventions Mafia Day 4

[Aneninen]

@Ghostlin

- who do you currently want to venge?

Ghostlin, do not answer this

yet

!

why can't Ghostlin answer this???

You ignored the word 'yet'.
You may be curious whom Ghostlin would choose

before

you decide whom we should lynch Today. That's what I think.

uh, what? What PRs are you talking about, the venge and the doc? What I said is no different than what you said, I was agreeing on that point.

Yeah, those. (However, we don't know whether there's something else out too.)
The difference is huge. You actually made

suggestions

whom the Doctor should protect. If the Doctor reveals his target in advance, that helps the scum in choosing the Nightkill.

Yeah but both Smart and Ghostlin have already pointed out succinctly why this is pretty much impossibly unlikely in 3427 and 3430. And yet you keep riffing on this.

This time you ignored my readlist posted in 3496. I put Chesskid/Smocaine among my

townreads

, my thought that we shouldn't let Smocaine alive until LyLo is an

addition

.

ASSUMING WE ARE TO LYNCH SMOCAINE, what exactly is gained in your view by lynching him prior to LYLO

I've already answered that. If he's still here, that may generate a WIFOM, just because of the fact that he

hasn't get Nightkilled until LyLo

.

Okay, if you're going to again accuse me of "widening the lynchpool", then please explain:
1) Who is in Anen's lynchpool
2) Who is in GL's lynchpool
3) Why set 2 is larger than set 3

Check out my readlist again. My lynch-pool consists of Ghostlin, you, maybe ErrantParabola and, strictly said, myself. 4 names.
On the other hand, since 3086 you've been telling that the scum may have bussed. (Which I still think is very unlikely.) By doing so, you put 4 additional names in your lynchpool (5 with me).

________

I strongly think you keep ignoring certain things I post and misrepresenting me. Also, I repeat: you want to know what the PRs are going to do. These things make me think that you're scum.

[Something_Smart]

Congratulations. A self-fulfilling prophecy.

Like, if it was that binary this game would be a whole lot easier, don't you think?

If you're implying that scum would do it because I said they wouldn't, that doesn't make any sense because they'd already have done it. And I don't think they could have predicted that someone would say that...

[beeboy]

Day 3, VC 2

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

Not Voting (10)

- Aneninen, Ghostlin, Something_Smart, singersigner, Errantparabola, Vonflare, Smocaine, GuiltyLion, BigYoshiFan, Creature

Deadline:

(expired on 2018-02-22 08:59:00)

Invention Vote

1-shot Doctor: During the night you may target another player and protect them from being killed during the night.

Not Voting (10)

- Aneninen, Ghostlin, Something_Smart, singersigner, Errantparabola, Vonflare, Smocaine, GuiltyLion, BigYoshiFan, Creature

[Aneninen]

These, again:

We need to decide the following:
(1) Either we lynch Ghostlin and decide whom he shall Vengekill or
(2) We lynch someone else and save the Vengekill ability for later.

There's another question for everyone. Should we massclaim Today or not? My opinion on this topic is clearly irrelevant.

Also,

Elect: ErrantParabola

[Smocaine]

Day 3, VC 2

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

Not Voting (10)

- Aneninen,

Katyusha

, Ghostlin, Something_Smart, singersigner, Errantparabola, Vonflare, Smocaine, GuiltyLion, BigYoshiFan, Creature

Deadline:

(expired on 2018-02-22 08:59:00)

Invention Vote

1-shot Doctor: During the night you may target another player and protect them from being killed during the night.

Not Voting (10)

- Aneninen,

Katyusha

, Ghostlin, Something_Smart, singersigner, Errantparabola, Vonflare, Smocaine, GuiltyLion, BigYoshiFan, Creature

[singersigner]

Congratulations. A self-fulfilling prophecy.

Like, if it was that binary this game would be a whole lot easier, don't you think?

If you're implying that scum would do it because I said they wouldn't, that doesn't make any sense because they'd already have done it. And I don't think they could have predicted that someone would say that...

I'm implying that the very fact you said it would be a dumb idea is the reason scum would do it. Scum follow patterns, sure, but if they always did the strategically best thing then it would become too predictable and no longer be the strategically best thing.

I'm also saying that it would be really easy for me as scum to feign effort by pushing someone I know won't get lynched and staying off a wagon I know will. If town is doing the work for me I can keep my options open elsewhere.

So saying, very specifically, that you think Katy was killed by someone calling her town has no substance since you didn't even bother expanding on that theory like WHO. Coupled with the fact that you then made am addendum about how it couldn't be you because you actually found her scummy despite not expressing that sentiment...all very calculated, imo.

[singersigner]

Also, I forgot how V/LAs work so I'm out of town until Sunday night but will be able to check in via phone, just not with an ability to do more serious analysis until Monday.

[Something_Smart]

So saying, very specifically, that you think Katy was killed by someone calling her town has no substance since you didn't even bother expanding on that theory like WHO. Coupled with the fact that you then made am addendum about how it couldn't be you because you actually found her scummy despite not expressing that sentiment...all very calculated, imo.

Why should I have expanded on it? You can look back and see who was calling her strongly town just as easily as I can, and the theory by its nature cannot be narrowed down further than that.

I never argued that it couldn't be me; there's no way for me to prove or disprove the statement that I was starting to scumread her because I never said anything about it. If it were calculated, don't you think I WOULD have said something about it yesterday?

[Errantparabola]

weird post, not sure if townslip or 'townslip'

did you intentionally softclaim vt?

will acknowledge this but will not answer

I'm fine lynching ghostlin in LYLO
Don't want to lynch anen today. His reaction to RC late last day was a bit awkward but also consistent with his posting personality so I'm not sure what to make of it
{vonflare, signer, GL}

[BigYoshiFan]

Prodge. Just got home. I'll look at this tomorrow.

[vonflare]

weird post, not sure if townslip or 'townslip'

did you intentionally softclaim vt?

will acknowledge this but will not answer

that seems counterproductive

[Ghostlin]

Here for only a bit, but a few things:
--at the moment, if we lynch me, I am here to do the will of Town with my shot.
-- You need to all lynch me out of LYLO to use the venge gun and I'm OK with you all doing so.

[Ghostlin]

Secondly, Smocaine can not be called conf-town. Chesskid's Elli-tell and the whole push might have been artificial too. And the whole Day1 with all the fight, the walls, the spam might have been planned by the scum team.

Why are you shading the smocaine slot here?

It got results; both scum!mastina and scum!radiant are dead due to chess's meta read/computer analysis by Elli/gambit.

As a scum gambit, it would have to:
1) have all team members aggressively 1:1 each other and get up to two of them lynched;
2) survive up to and win in a 3p LYLO, giving Town wiggle room for error
3) dodge anything investigative Town might get

[Aneninen]

Here for only a bit, but a few things:
--at the moment, if we lynch me, I am here to do the will of Town with my shot.
-- You need to all lynch me out of LYLO to use the venge gun and I'm OK with you all doing so.

Good. However, it's still not decided whether we're lynching you Today. And we shouldn't talk about your Vengekill until your lynch is decided.

Why are you shading the smocaine slot here?

I've already explained it.
However, I've been thinking and there's one more thing which tells me that he's town after all. As scum he'd definitely Nightkilled me. To remove the one who had doubts about him.

________

Where's everyone? There's hardly any content.

[Something_Smart]

Where's everyone? There's hardly any content.

yeah we seem to be in a rut

we gotta figure out who the doc's going to before we can make any progress

proposal:

Elect: BYF

EP's not a bad idea either though

[beeboy]

RULE CHANGE

:

There has been a lot of player confusion about rule 6:

6. You MAY talk about the preferences and abilities of any player and speculate which game and alignment they would prefer. You may speculate about the relative strengths of teams and how they would distribute role pms. You may NOT tie this speculation or otherwise refer to ANY action a player not in your game has taken in their ongoing game.

A good rule of thumb is any speculation one could have made just by seeing team compositions before the event is allowed

.

To make life easier for everyone we're changing the ruleset and outright banning the things previously allowed by rule 6.

There are now no exceptions to the rule:

Players are only allowed to talk about mod-confirmed things from other ongoing Team Mafia games.

Any infractions to this rule from this point on will be adjudicated harshly.

Please check with your moderators and me if you have ANY doubt about whether a post is over the line.

Please do not discuss this in thread or in public until after the event. As usual, feel free to raise any questions and concerns with me in private.

[Smocaine]

vote: GL

. This has passed the second round of focus testing. Make it so.

[Smocaine]

idc who we elect.

[Creature]

Posting just so I don't forget about this game.

Two nightkills on two useful players...

[Creature]

Guessing the nightkills weren't because they were correct, but rather just scum getting rid of the loudmouths.

[beeboy]

Day 3, VC 3

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

GuiltyLion (1) -

Smocaine

Not Voting (9)

- Aneninen, Ghostlin, Something_Smart, singersigner, Errantparabola, Vonflare, GuiltyLion, BigYoshiFan, Creature

Deadline:

(expired on 2018-02-22 08:59:00)

Invention Vote

1-shot Doctor: During the night you may target another player and protect them from being killed during the night.

Errantparabola (1) -

Aneninen

BigYoshiFan (1) -

Something_Smart

Not Voting (8)

- Ghostlin, singersigner, Errantparabola, Vonflare, Smocaine, BigYoshiFan, Creature, Smocaine

[vonflare]

vote: GL

. This has passed the second round of focus testing. Make it so.

I'm ok with this.

who would you give the doc to?

[Smocaine]

me so I get nk'd tbh. My only strong tr was kat, so I'd need to relook over stuff when I'm off work.

[Smocaine]

also we should win on today's lynch, so the election doesn't matter. Once again, mafia apes reality.

[vonflare]

I don't see the doc getting nk'd, at least the odds seem the same as any other townie. they obviously use it tonight, right?