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Post Post #2425 (ISO) » Sat Feb 10, 2018 6:42 am

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In post 2425, Mathdino wrote:
In post 2422, Dunkerdoodles wrote:i have shit reads cause i scumread you?
ok
You townread literally everyone besides me, and you do everything based on tone, when my tone is relatively consistent across games (as most players would be willing to tell you).
blatant misrep alert
(when i say you change words to make it look better for you this is what i mean)

i've said multiple times i also scumread you based on your multiple contradictions that i have elaborated on before
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Post Post #2426 (ISO) » Sat Feb 10, 2018 6:53 am

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In post 479, Dunkerdoodles wrote:you see where the contradictions come in. you're think my posts are bad, yet im you don't scumread me. you say my read is bad and irrelevant, yet you defend yourself from my points.
this is a contradiction to you?
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Post Post #2427 (ISO) » Sat Feb 10, 2018 6:58 am

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In post 2417, Bins wrote:
In post 2378, Mathdino wrote:Okay I'll make a deal with you guys to get out of this rut.

VOTE: Aeronaut

Wagon the shit out of people until they start doing things that aren't stupid, or replace out.

Arbitrarily picking Aero as the first of four.
BACK TO THIS

skrew wants to point out how weird it is you picked aero

considering your fascination with UCV and CDB scumread

you pick AERO
when you have CDB as red on your readslisr??
no
this is a contradiction
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Post Post #2428 (ISO) » Sat Feb 10, 2018 7:09 am

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am i only allowed to vote my scumreads
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Post Post #2429 (ISO) » Sat Feb 10, 2018 7:14 am

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you cant just toneread when we have a scumflip
is this where I tell you to swipe right

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Post Post #2430 (ISO) » Sat Feb 10, 2018 7:50 am

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Let me tell you why I'm dropping this:

VOTE: Bulbazak

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Bulbazak's stance on the LLD/fitz slot Day 1 was pretty weak. He almost doesn't comment on the slot at all early on but one infers him treating her as town due to citing her lines of investigation and asking Smocaine, someone he's publicly calling town as of that same post, to explain a vote on LLD. Meanwhile, many of his mentions of the slot involve him discrediting votes there.
Though Bulbazak eventually voted for Fitz, there was never any enthusiasm there, and it absolutely seems like he'd have taken another lynch if one had been offered that he felt safe in choosing.

Compare Bulbazak's treatment of the LLD slot to how he describes the slot Today: "Given the AtE, LLD looked like scum who was not in control" and likely to be considered "a lost cause" by scumbuddies early on. That doesn't jive with his 'talk me into it' approach to the slot for much of Day 1.

Look at how much Bulbazak focused on Almost50, a read primarily driven by what Bulbazak saw as AtE. (Examples include this, this and this but are also just a fair chunk of Bulbazak's Day 1 proactivity.)

Now let's compare that behaviour to how Bulbazak responded to AtE from LLD. It's much more mealy-mouthed and noncommittal; just a matter of 'I'm doubting my townread now', which would certainly jive with his stated position Today that LLD's scumbuddies would feel that she were very vulnerable. By his own words, we know that scum!Bulbazak would feel obliged to suspect LLD after that behaviour - but of course it's never as easy as just throwing a player like LLD to the wolves, especially when you've already been townreading her early on. She's an advantage, even under suspicion, that scum wouldn't want to freely give up. So you end up with this fence-sitting and subtle shooting down of the wagon without ever being seen as too much against it.

It also seems like mastina should be well aware of the likelihood that LLD would pick scum, and again that is addressed in the most fence-sitting way possible here.

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tl;dr
- Bulbazak looks like a buddy who didn't know how to treat the LLD slot once she made what he now says were disastrous, would-be-jettisoned-by-scumbuddies mistakes so instead did a lot of hemming and hawwing and objecting until finally feeling forced to lynch fitz.
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Post Post #2431 (ISO) » Sat Feb 10, 2018 7:56 am

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@Bulbazak:
Please explain exactly what lines of inquiry you were planning to pursue with fitz "in real-time", regardless of how valid they may be now.
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Post Post #2432 (ISO) » Sat Feb 10, 2018 8:02 am

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Gonna say it right now, that case works in a way that the cases on Elena, Titus, and T-Bone just don't. There's a good chance we found today's solution. Waiting on Bulbazak responses.

To anyone wanting to push Elena or Titus, write a case that's more than "they don't HAVE to be town" and more than wagonomics and stabs in the dark at D1 VCA. I really don't trust RC's read on Elena's slot right now, all things considered.

Willing to listen to cases equally convincing. Haven't seen anything sheep-worthy on them yet though.
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Post Post #2433 (ISO) » Sat Feb 10, 2018 1:51 pm

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Request prod on Bulbazak and replacement of UC Voyager.
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Post Post #2434 (ISO) » Sat Feb 10, 2018 2:01 pm

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In post 2380, chesskid3 wrote:thank u t-bone something u said was just what I was looking for
In post 2382, T-Bone wrote:...huh?
It's unclear cause Math has posts everywhere lol...

But this "huh?" was for you, Chess. I do not know what I said that was what you were looking for, so I'd like to know.
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Post Post #2435 (ISO) » Sat Feb 10, 2018 2:52 pm

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{Keychain, Bulba, UCV}
{CDB, Mathdino, Radja, Aeronaut}
{Titus, Dunker}
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{Chesskid3, T-Bone}
{Elena Fisher}



Our reads are really not that different Math, when it comes to the bottom. We should really focus on lynching the scumreads we share.
is this where I tell you to swipe right

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Post Post #2436 (ISO) » Sat Feb 10, 2018 3:06 pm

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Bulbazak being the main proponent of the LLD/Elena Bus Theory makes me far too uncomfortable to go down the Elena route.

In fact, I want to see her take on the Bulba case, because this might solve her issue of townreading everyone in the lynchpool.
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Post Post #2437 (ISO) » Sat Feb 10, 2018 3:22 pm

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In post 2436, Bins wrote:{Keychain, Bulba, UCV}
{CDB, Mathdino, Radja, Aeronaut}
{Titus, Dunker}
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{Chesskid3, T-Bone}
{Elena Fisher}



Our reads are really not that different Math, when it comes to the bottom. We should really focus on lynching the scumreads we share.
this post pings me really badly
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Post Post #2438 (ISO) » Sat Feb 10, 2018 3:23 pm

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like, it feels manipulative and kinda defendy of bulba
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Post Post #2439 (ISO) » Sat Feb 10, 2018 3:29 pm

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That might be the first thing you and I agree on.

Bulb scumflip is gg for Bins I think.
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Post Post #2440 (ISO) » Sat Feb 10, 2018 3:30 pm

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I am defending Bulba. I have been very transparent on the fact he isn't going to be the lynch today.
is this where I tell you to swipe right

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Post Post #2441 (ISO) » Sat Feb 10, 2018 3:36 pm

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In post 2440, Mathdino wrote:That might be the first thing you and I agree on.

Bulb scumflip is gg for Bins I think.
we both agree im town
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Post Post #2442 (ISO) » Sat Feb 10, 2018 3:39 pm

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by "very transparant" you mean this 1 post all day
In post 2339, Bins wrote:Considering it seems the scumteam came into the game trying to bus each other (just a feeling), I don't think out of the gate busses are impossible.

I really don't want to consider Bulba today. Considering he's also on the Elena wagon which is good wagon.
this is your 1 mention of bulba all day, which is actually kinda sketchy
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Post Post #2443 (ISO) » Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:00 pm

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My first post mentioned my surprise that bulba wasn't the NK
I have no idea what you're saying lmfao
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Post Post #2444 (ISO) » Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:03 pm

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Prodding bulbazak and UC voyager.
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SR: I want to give him a day
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Post Post #2445 (ISO) » Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:05 pm

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In post 2439, Dunkerdoodles wrote:like, it feels manipulative and kinda defendy of bulba
Math is bending over backwards to avoid voting someone he ostensibly scumreads, it's freaking weird and the way he seized on the CDB scumcase on Bulba is almost as weird.

In post 2421, Mathdino wrote:
In post 2413, Keychain wrote:...
I have a better idea. Vote your scumread Elena.
Do the math. Even if I voted Elena and canvassed votes for her, it's literally impossible to get a lynch there.

Aeronaut, UCV, and CDB aren't here. Radja and Dunker have shit reads. 1 other person is townreading her, but I forget. Elena won't vote herself.

So what's RC's master plan to strongarm people into a lynch when half the game is essentially not present?
In post 2417, Bins wrote:BACK TO THIS

skrew wants to point out how weird it is you picked aero

considering your fascination with UCV and CDB scumread

you pick AERO
when you have CDB as red on your readslisr??
My plan is literally to wagon people until they do something or replace out, then move on to the next one. Aero was the first one in chesskid's list and seems most likely out of that list to respond to pressure. CDB I could reasonably see picking up activity for real at some point. Aero is practically a lost cause as a player.

If UCV still had the ability to swap out with Creature, I would've wagoned there, but alas, we're stuck with his lurksack ass.

To those of you who seem to have a problem with where I'm voting:

What's YOUR plan for getting a lynch today?
If you have a problem with the mod not force replacing people not meeting activity requirements, PM him and Elli, I don't really consider that my problem. I want to lynch scum.

You complain about RC "masking" my playstyle and then ask what his master plan is? Ignore him. Deal with me, I'm the one playing this game. You say you think Elena is scum but she's not going to get lynched, so you instead jump on a Bulba case when he's even less likely to. It makes no sense.

I'm not going to drop my scumread to lynch a lurker I don't think is scum, when Elena's put a vote on me with no explanation and then dropped off the face of the planet. This is exactly the wrong moment to try and draw my attention elsewhere. Players change their minds and writing off a full two players as having "shit reads" is a terrible way to get a town together. Incidentally another terrible way to get a town together is you avoiding joining the wagon on one of your top scumreads and instead trying to relieve pressure on her by claiming she's not going to get lynched.
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Post Post #2446 (ISO) » Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:06 pm

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ok maybe i missed that but i still think "very transparant" is a stretch
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Post Post #2447 (ISO) » Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:12 pm

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Have you not seen me townreading Bulba???
Like
?!?!?!?
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Post Post #2448 (ISO) » Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:13 pm

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Keychain, you're accusing me of the same thing I was accusing Bins of yesterday -- ostensibly scumreading Titus while "slightly preferring" fitz.

Like I said, if you can manage a scumflip on Elena, I'll fall on the sword. I understand where you're coming from.

Where I'm coming from is the fact that Elena's trajectory today doesn't seem to make much sense coming from scum, and I'm still not sold on her/LLD scum theatring it up based on a very general VCA theory. I'm uncomfortable with the growing wagon on her. It feels like she's today's Eddie/Transcend/Titus.

Difference between me and D1 Bins is that Bins dropped a vote on the designated wagon of the day and refused to switch to the fitz counterwagon. I'm trying to drop votes on potential counterwagons (partially to see what happens) and I'm unwilling to just beeline the designated wagon.

VOTE: Bulbazak

Dunker, help me jumpstart this?

Edit: Bins, your townread of Bulba ignores the case CDB just wrote. I was townreading Bulba too, but more for a general "well he seems super helpful and reasonable and seems to be doing hard work scumhunting" rather than for specific "THIS GUY IS LOCKTOWN" reasons.
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Post Post #2449 (ISO) » Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:24 pm

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Math I am under the impression you are ok with voting everyone in this game
is this where I tell you to swipe right

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