Team Mafia 2018: Mafiosi Revolution (Over)

[UnaBombaH]

I think one of my my main problems include Eddie being killed last night.
I can talk about that more openly once we mass-claim, but I think scum actually believed his faked softing and that "guilty" on me.
He was one of the better townplayers around, sure, but he shouldn't have been killed unless the remaining scum believed his "claim".
There would've been an avenue for mislynching him in this game for sure - especially when we would've claimed - and part of that is also because of Trans-Mulch -interactions.

[UnaBombaH]

@Cheet - if you could INSTANTLY kill three players, after which the scum would INSTANTLY kill three players, who do you think should/would remain alive to the MyLo?

[UnaBombaH]

@Cheet - if you could INSTANTLY kill three players, after which the scum would INSTANTLY kill three players, who do you think should/would remain alive to the MyLo?

(obv. assuming you miss scum )

[Cheetory6]

Patrick, Chara
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Kmd, Firebringer
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UnaBombaH, Spiffeh
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Null Line
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Ginngie, implosion
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Aristophanes

People should be dropping their best bet for the three slots they think are most likely to be last scum and WHY.
Give reasoning. If I see one more fucking post saying something along the lines of "OHOHOH TEAM COMP" at this stage in the game, then I'm going to slap the shit out of your slot and try to find excuses to scumread you on principle.

Ari - has been dropping minimal content in favour of fluffy stuff. On reflection I can kind of imagine his teammate's giving him reasoning for the Mulch townlean in advance so it wouldn't be as hard to explain himself when I eventually poked him about it. There just isn't any level of consistent effort from him to try to find scum at any point. His entire play is just completely devoid of it.

Ginngie - I really dislike that she hasn't been challenging anyone on their Patrick townreads in spite of her having come into today with a hankering to lynch him. I disagree that Ginngie was being widely townread before the claim, so I don't really see why there isn't any kind of incentive to, as scum, in a position where no town PRs are dead, do something that gets you a lynch that might otherwise be difficult, something that completely fucks up the entire tone of the game from "fuck you scum you're getting stomped" to "fuck this game" from town's POV and generates a shit-ton of WiFoM as to why scum would do something that stupid. Biggest hesitation is that this is like next level melodrama that I think would be hard for scum to fake, but if Ginngie is still coasting by on this self-pity shit in a day or two then I think it's more likely a scum gambit than not.

implosion - I can believe all of the reasoning that he's put into the thread. I just also think that scumHim is capable of explaining things well.
What bothers me most about his play this game is just that he's been suspicious of both scumslots, but when it came to actually pushing them, he was never on board when there was actual threat of a lynch happening and the Kagami push in particular seems like something that was a little forced/came at a time when Mulch was actually under threat of being lynched.

p-edit: hbd.
Now you answer.

[Ether]

Day 4, Votecount 9

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Now if we're talking scummy
This is an easy one
So vote along me
I think my case is strong
If we prove me right
We'll fucking smite
On and on and on

-[

Talking Body,

Tove Lo

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2 Ginngie (Cheetory6, Patrick)
2 Kmd4390 (Chara, UnaBombaH)
1 Aristophanes (Firebringer)
1 Chara (Kmd4390)
1 Firebringer (implosion)
1 implosion (Ginngie)

2 Unvote (Aristophanes, Spiffeh)

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
The deadline is in (expired on 2018-02-23 01:00:00), on Friday, February 23 at 1:00 am EST.

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[Ether]

Spiffeh has been prodded.

[Spiffeh]

I can confirm that I have been prodded

I really have no idea who is scum atm so I'm gonna look at associations with flipped scum like I said I would and hopefully find something!

[UnaBombaH]

I think we need our true king, Paragon, at times like these!
To unite the kingdoms of men!
To unite all the free people of this town!

[UnaBombaH]

...no, wait...I'm actually thinking Aragorn here, right?

[Cheetory6]

Those are two posts that don't have reads in them.

[UnaBombaH]

Those are two posts that don't have reads in them.

??

[Cheetory6]

People should be dropping their best bet for the three slots they think are most likely to be last scum and WHY.

[Chara]

And here we see him follow through with his promise to trust people who can read Mulch better than he can. This shows it wasn't an empty promise, even if he immediately unvoted Mulch. And even then I think he might be afraid that the immediate vote-unvote of a scumbuddy would draw ire toward the slot in the event of his own flip.

this is the opposite of follow-through.

the crux of your towncase appears to be Kmd talking to Mathdino a lot, and that scum Kmd would not be this obvious about his partner being Mulch.


i think the "Toranaga is conftown" point was bad. between Mathdino and Kmd they should have figured that out. if Mulch had done anything but townread Toranaga, Toranaga would have been against him.
the point where Kmd votes Mulch is awkward. as you said it doesn't last long, and Kmd soon goes back to Kagami. a view that makes sense if Kmd is hard-townreading Mulch, but then it makes the "this is important, i may trust your read on Mulch" and the ensuing Mulch interaction look like hot air.

finally, a petty point, but: in Mathdino's own words, the alignment of Kmd-slot can be determined by accuracy of reads. i'd kind of love to call him on it.

Cheet: i'll get your other two slots in a bit.

[Kmd4390]

Mathdino said there was plenty from the game

If Mathdino doesn't give me a reason why I'm #3 on his list of people to lynch by end of day today, then I'm going to vote you and push you even though I'm townleaning you.
And tbh I'm probably at a point where I need to start throwing out townleans so that probably works anyways.

I'll ask but I think it's as simple as just if lynching Chara and spiff doesn't win the game, scum has to be somebody we all think is town. He seemed confident that Chara or spiff must be scum when he made that post.

[Cheetory6]

And the reasoning for them being scum is just stuff you can't talk about?
He promised in-game reasons, when are we getting those?
And if he's not delivering on them, should you not be developing your own opinion on the gamestate/those players?

[Kmd4390]

He told me ISO Chara and look at his trajectory on mulch and cabd. I did that and the mulch one looks ok-ish. I see his point on cabd though. I posted what I thought about it in the PT and am waiting for his thoughts on it.

[Chara]

how about posting it here instead of running everything by Math first?
you're playing this game, not him.

[Kmd4390]

how about posting it here instead of running everything by Math first?
you're playing this game, not him.

Ok. I want to check on what is allowed on something first though.

[Firebringer]

My vision of a townblock is crumbling.

[UnaBombaH]

My vision of a townblock is crumbling.

Good.
Include me in there, and be mostly suspicious of Chara/kmd/Ginngie, and we can move on with building a solid block.

[Ginngie]

I don't like spiff rn

[Kmd4390]

Ok. So Mathdino wanted me to look at Charas trajectory with mulch and cabd. Chara wants to see what I found.
Mulch:
Says he's town. No reason given -> calls him a "mason buddy for life" -> clarifies Mulch and Tora are "masons" -> Transcend is scum for his case on Mulch -> Mulch and Tora lock town -> tells Mulch please stay in the game (I feel like this could be in a scum PT if Chara was scum) and says Transcend acting like Mulch's blow up is scummy is bad -> sees first good reason to scum read Mulch -> Transcend is either scum or scumreading two town because Chara is town and Mulch is obvtown. Same post he's less confident Mulch is town -> Mulch has gone from town to the "leftovers" list -> wants eddie's confidence level on mulch scum -> post 1458 is actually the first real interaction with Mulch. Weird. -> more pressure on Eddie over his scum read on Mulch -> mentions Transcend's case on Mulch then explains why it was bad. This is well after the case itself -> brief interaction with Mulch -> doesn't like eddie going against reasons for mulch to be town -> Mulch is now "townish" on a reads list -> says fuck his mulch read because he misremembered meta, then says he's less sure on mulch -> still has mulch as town. just less sure -> Votes Assemble when he replaces Mulch.

I dunno. He seems to spend too much time focusing on how town Mulch is to be a buddy here. The thought to re-evaluate when he realizes he fucked up meta feels town. The thing that stands out is the Assemble vote though.

Cabd:
Throws some shade on Transcend's cabd vote -> Cabd is scummy, but doesn't want to lynch him yet -> town on reads list -> might be out of town pile, but is still a town read (huh?) -> "townish" in reads list -> "joked" that he got the FN -> Votes Cabd - > Can't believe anyone would think scum would shoot cabd -> Cabd being confirmed town wouldn't be a threat to scum

Ok, there might be something to this. I don't like the waffly town read followed by the hard scum read that apparently we all should have been able to see even though Chara had Cabd as town for most of Day 1.

Overall, his mulch stance doesn't look incriminating but I can definitely see him being scum with cabd.

[Cheetory6]

I don't like the waffly town read followed by

the hard scum read that apparently we all should have been able to see even though Chara had Cabd as town for most of Day 1.

Link where Chara said this?

[UnaBombaH]

I'm struggling with this game now.

Can't we just lynch Ginngie today?
She will 10/10 times flip scum or VT because of that whole fake-claim thing.
And I think that as long as we don't lynch a PR today, we win after a massclaim tomorrow.

[Ginngie]

Una a lot of us know I'm town

I will understand right before M/LyLo but nothing sooner

If you don't actually have scumreads and are pushing what is essentially policy then that looks really bad