Team Mafia 2018: Mafiosi Revolution (Over)

[Ether]

Day 4, Votecount 20

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3 Aristophanes (Firebringer, Cheetory6, Chara)
2 Ginngie (Patrick, UnaBombaH)
1 Chara (Kmd4390)
1 Spiffeh (implosion)
1 UnaBombaH (Ginngie)

2 Unvote (Aristophanes, Spiffeh)

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
The deadline is in (expired on 2018-02-23 01:00:00), on Friday, February 23 at 1:00 am EST.

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[implosion]

implosion pretty much all of the stuff you're suddenly pulling out looks like you decided to scum read me and are combing through my posts in order to find some stuff to justify it

not entirely inaccurate

What do you think about my interactions with Mulch later in the day?

haven't read in detail

[Spiffeh]

I honestly personally feel like that should be a townread on Cabd. I think that an explicit (well, i guess this wasn't explicit, but it was REALLY DAMN OBVIOUSLY there) friendly neighbor claim (even softclaim) should lead to him being in the town pile. Even if you have a scumread on him otherwise. I think other people might have done this too but it felt a little icky then too. It just looks like scum who wants to hedge because they know the claim is fake.

I went through basically half the day (before rereading) with Cabd as my only scum read. He had done nothing worth town reading. The friendly neighbor claim brought him UP to null as I already pointed out.

I also think the whole "Spiffeh playing safe putting his scumbuddies in the null pile" goes against the notion implosion's pushing about me being very capable as scum. At the very least it's a pretty big jump for one readslist without reading context behind the Cabd and Mulch reads that lead me to those conclusions.

[Firebringer]

Can we just lynch aristophanes?

[Spiffeh]

implosion pretty much all of the stuff you're suddenly pulling out looks like you decided to scum read me and are combing through my posts in order to find some stuff to justify it

not entirely inaccurate

What do you think about my interactions with Mulch later in the day?

haven't read in detail

You should probably do that before cherry picking posts of mine that you can say literally anything negative about

[Firebringer]

Can we just lynch aristophanes?

[implosion]

Alright, I read through those posts.

What am I supposed to be townreading you off of in them, other than the brute fact that you voted for Mulch? Because nothing there looks especially strongly townish other than just the brute fact that you voted for Mulch. I can see actually a lot of reasons for you to vote Mulch there as scum:

Day 1, Votecount 62

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4 Kagami (Firebringer, Ginngie, Chara, Mulch)
3 Mulch (Kagami, Eddie Cane, Kmd4390)
2 Spiffeh (Patrick, Toranaga)
1 Chara (implosion)
1 UnaBombaH (Spiffeh)

4 Unvote (Aristophanes, Cabd, Cheetory6, UnaBombaH)

With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.
The deadline is in (expired on 2018-02-05 00:00:00), on Sunday, February 4 at 11:59 pm EST.

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This is the VC right before you vote Mulch.

Mulch is obviously going to vote Kagami if it comes down to it (he had voted you instead at the time you voted i think), my most recent posts were me casing Kagami, and Kmd switches to the Kagami wagon before you vote Mulch.
From here, after you vote the VC looks like:

Day 1, Votecount 63

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Once I ran to you
Now I'm done with you
This blatant scum I'm seeing
I need you dead for town's well-being
Eat this rope and quit your scheming, oh
Blatant scum
Oh...blatant scum

-[

Tainted Love,

Soft Cell

]

4 Kagami (Firebringer, Ginngie, Chara, Kmd4390)
4 Mulch (Kagami, Eddie Cane, Toranaga, Spiffeh)
2 Spiffeh (Patrick, Mulch)
1 Chara (implosion)

4 Unvote (Aristophanes, Cabd, Cheetory6, UnaBombaH)

With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.
The deadline is in (expired on 2018-02-05 00:00:00), on Sunday, February 4 at 11:59 pm EST.

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and from here, I'm probably voting Kagami, Mulch is probably voting Kagami, and Cabd is probably voting Kagami (he had been townreading mulch and could easily justify it) fypov if you're scum. That leaves patrick/una/ari/keely as likely undecided voters (not going to indepth research what they said about the squabble right now), and only one of them needed to vote Kagami to get a lynch.

In other words isn't this the perfect time for you to vote Mulch to distance from him? It really looked at that point like Kagami was going to be the lynch even with you voting Mulch, until Mulch was force-replaced and assemble started acting ridiculously shady.

[Aristophanes]

@Aristophanes:

do you specifically not enjoy scum/enjoy town significantly more than scum, or do you just consider yourself bad at scum?

I actually always get really excited when I get a scum PM!

Then the game starts...

[implosion]

@Aristophanes:

do you specifically not enjoy scum/enjoy town significantly more than scum, or do you just consider yourself bad at scum?

I actually always get really excited when I get a scum PM!

Then the game starts...

okay well i have to say of all the responses you could possibly have given this is probably the single most indicative of scum.

[Chara]

would you elaborate, imp?
what's he's described is exactly how i used to feel about scum. an honest response is an honest response.

[implosion]

would you elaborate, imp?
what's he's described is exactly how i used to feel about scum. an honest response is an honest response.

Yeah, and when you mentioned the same thing earlier I mentioned I'm pretty sure I mentioned similar sentiment :p. I have you as town now because you actually started towntelling constantly today, in spite of you saying that you enjoy scum despite being bad at it.

Basically if he enjoys scum, even if he's not good at it, he's more likely to take a scum role PM. It makes it more likely that he took a scum PM as a challenge to himself/because he thought it would be fun to be scum in team mafia, as opposed to if he didn't enjoy scum then the point that he has no motivation to take a scum PM is stronger. The fact that he generally doesn't enjoy it as the game goes on is less relevant.

[Chara]

i don't really know how you're reading Ari's posts and getting the impression he enjoys playing scum. that =/= being excited at receiving a scum PM before the game starts.

[implosion]

Semantics. Replace "enjoys scum" with "is excited upon getting scum role PMs."

If he's excited when he gets a scum PM, it's evidence against the claim that he would never take a scum PM.

Although I am curious on his response to this, since he has said he would never have taken a scum PM.

[Aristophanes]

@Aristophanes:

do you specifically not enjoy scum/enjoy town significantly more than scum, or do you just consider yourself bad at scum?

I actually always get really excited when I get a scum PM!

Then the game starts...

okay well i have to say of all the responses you could possibly have given this is probably the single most indicative of scum.

Just being honest

[implosion]

any response to 4060/4062?

[Aristophanes]

any response to 4060/4062?

lol didn't read those!

I would never compromise my team as a challenge! I would take town as I am stronger there.

This is what I would do for my team!

[implosion]

meh.

[Chara]

any response to 4060/4062?

lol didn't read those!

I would never compromise my team as a challenge! I would take town as I am stronger there.

This is what I would do for my team!

i have to say, this is again my exact stance.
it doesn't make Ari town because extenuating circumstances exist, but i don't think it's an argument for Ari scum on its own.

[Aristophanes]

Chara gets me!

I'll be honest on that my scumread here is based on D1 shit and no rerwad so...

[implosion]

Yeah, it isn't an argument for Ari scum; I'm just putting I think more stock than most people are in him not picking a scum role PM, and it's the primary reason I'm townreading him, and it weakens that.

There are some other weakish reasons but I'll withhold further direct scrutiny of him for 24h since he said he'd do shit by then or he's scum.

[implosion]

(other weakish reasons i'm townreading him, that is)

[Aristophanes]

<3

you are a good man Implo!

[Firebringer]

Aristophanes I expect stuff from you tomorrow

[Aristophanes]

Aristophanes I expect stuff from you tomorrow

I intend to deliver! Just later in the day

[Cheetory6]

If Spiff's goal was to ineffectively push Mulch over Kagami so they could get a Kagami lynch then he was frankly doing a bad job considering he was trying to pull people off the wagon.