Valentine's Dance - [GAME OVER]

[beeboy]

At the same Maki your townread on Venmar and Reck

Do you not look at this and potentially see it's alignment indicative?

[Shiro]

Honestly the fact that everyone is just ignoring Maki having completely stagnant reads and not actually saying why she is town is annoying me a lot.
Like I don't care if no one agrees with me but just being completely ignored by everyone and no one explaining there town reads is kinda frustrating?

If I wasn't on phone I would explain its a mix of tone, the reaction to Gamma back on day one and the nk which makes no much sense from her side.


P. Edit

Possibly, but I still wish to flip them first before I change my read on maki.

Listening to Alisae-sama after his sacrifice is long overdue

[beeboy]

Or Claire can just be scum.

pedit: PEOPLE WILL LISTEN TO ME IF I DEMAND IT.

Anti I think I got my Maki scumread back.
Does that matter?
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEH

Can you just lynch Venmar for me?

I 2 can use random arguments to support my reads.

[beeboy]

If I wasn't on phone I would explain its a mix of tone, the reaction to Gamma back on day one and

the nk which makes no much sense from her side.

wot

[Shiro]

Or Claire can just be scum.

pedit: PEOPLE WILL LISTEN TO ME IF I DEMAND IT.

Anti I think I got my Maki scumread back.
Does that matter?
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEH

Can you just lynch Venmar for me?

I 2 can use random arguments to support my reads.

HEY VENMAR IS THE DUDE ALI DIED FOR >:U

P. Edit

Why does Maki kills Chess and ell? I don't see it as a valuable kill for her in anyway

[beeboy]

Why does Maki kills Chess and ell? I don't see it as a valuable kill for her in anyway

Like who do you suggest Maki kills? (Is this player necessarily town)
Why is the kill not being taken place in regards to her buddies and not something for her?

Also Maki was lower half POE in Chesskids reads so IDK it even has the really straight forward meaning of "I don't want to die"

[beeboy]

I'm not ignoring them, I'm waiting for my more curvaceous half.

Even assuming a scum there though where are the other two Kags

remind me what you were waiting on again lmao
something meta something maki?

Elli was going to use his tools to meta Maki and never had the chance to do it.
Like I don't know it makes perfect sense as a kill?

[Shiro]

Honestly the reaction to Gamma was my lock toggle the rest has been add ons. I don't see that being dragged on by scum.

P edit

You or me and fire in all honesty.(Assuming kagami is scum here cause otherwise killing anywhere but there is bad in its own way) And then there is that. She can only be scum with kagami imo but leave that aside.

If you say me and fire are bad I disagree. Not matter how it looks like everyone knows I am very hard to mislynch

[beeboy]

Also Maki had really awful tone and during Alisae's twilight.
Like that's what triggered my sus of her.

[beeboy]

Honestly the reaction to Gamma was my lock toggle the rest has been add ons. I don't see that being dragged on by scum.

P edit

You or me and fire in all honesty.(Assuming kagami is scum here cause otherwise killing anywhere but there is bad in its own way) And then there is that. She can only be scum with kagami imo but leave that aside.

If you say me and fire are bad I disagree. Not matter how it looks like everyone knows I am very hard to mislynch

Uh why does Maki kill the slot she can lynch (you)
Or kill the slot with the player that doesn't intend on playing (Dan)

Your conf biasing the shit out of this Shiro.

[Shiro]

I mean only person that doesn't kill anti and kagami with kagami not being scum is reck and Venmar pair.

Now of course kagami might be scum. Who knows she hasn't actually played

[beeboy]

Elli declared he was going to meta Maki
Chesskid had her as lower half


It really is a kill she'd make or be ok with if her buddies wanted.

[Shiro]

Because I am not mislynchable. That is a fact. If engaged too much I obv town to death

Do you think kagami is also scum?

[beeboy]

Like long term scum play and your actions over the duration of a game is always what I felt like was the most readable aspect of your scum game and I keep getting red flags you aren't really addressing about that.

Maki has an a lot weaker scum game as far as long term play is concerned, while her ability to engage people and look town in multiple short term engagements is really strong. So I think you should look at this from the POV I am looking at this from?
So I don't think 1 engagement with Gamma isn't enough to call her town and like I still feel like your over looking her read progression this game.

Like I am not even sure why you think the Gamma engagement was townie?
But idk either way maybe acknowledge that the engagement isn't worth overlooking her play over the entire duration of the game?

[Shiro]

I can iso her after work tbh.

Still though, who do you think she can be scum with?

[beeboy]

Because I am not mislynchable. That is a fact. If engaged too much I obv town to death

Do you think kagami is also scum?

You seem pretty mislynchable atm? Like especially compared to Elli and Chesskid.
You have been bottom half of the POE across the board all game.

Kagami is probably town but I am willing to reconsider it I guess but not now?
I wanted to refrain from killing in Dan/Kagami since there is at max 1 scum between us while there is 2 scum across the other 3 sets.

[beeboy]

I can iso her after work tbh.

Still though, who do you think she can be scum with?

Firebringer and Dan.
Maybe Kagami upon review?
I think she only isn't aligned with the Reck pair?

[beeboy]

Spoiler: Maki's Read On Me

Like srsly how do you have these reads yet I really don't get it
I think alisae is weird but that's normal
beeboy is prob town but like
..that's it?

So Maki starts off hard town reading me.

I think varner is town I need to re read the monkey because at first I was townreading them for the "I'm prob gonna get left out" it felt really genuine but then I figured that could come from both alignments
beeboy...ehhhhh I flip on this read really hard this was like one of my hidden sr's then I like forgot why I was sring beeboy
Kokichi I've already explained

Paranoia.

beeboy isn't scum because they aren't with alisae.
Beeboys lack of paranoia/sr on me is weird though.

More paranoia.
Maki never really tried to ask me about her read on her.
I try to ask her to elaborate on this cause her posts about me consistently show paranoia but she never tries to talk to me about her issues with me like paranoia is townie but towns actually try and follow up on it / try and work out there issues which I don't think Maki is doing.

I need to see if I'm bias tring beeboy again...I don't think so but it doesn't hurt

Maki never actually attempts to reevaluate me as a result of this post.

I need to see if I'm bias tring beeboy again...I don't think so but it doesn't hurt

Also I am kind of curious but did this ever result in anything?
I really don't actually think I am playing particularly townie this game which is why I am asking.

I looked at your posts and I think you're more relaxed then scum you would be
you're not omg obv town but compared to other pairings I wouldn't lynch you by a long shot

This is a pretty standard tone read?
Like I think a read on me would expand beyond this if she expressed paranoia about me all game.

Harambay is doing a really good job of avoiding actually posting a read list.


pedit: I mean I am playing exactly to what my scum agenda would be which is why I am surprised my friends all TR me.

I mean when you post stuff like this you're making it hard to tr you.

I don't think Maki actually scum reads me for this post in particular. Seems low effort I guess?

Dunn also finds beebitch towny and they were correct on beeboy being scum in the
last game that involved pts like this so I trust him

Drops paranoia without really trying to evaluate me herself.

wait beeboy should be white

Oops I guess I am not really town?

anti talk to me on bee/dan
I don't want to vote varner/reck at all there t/t to me

Oh I guess I should die now.

Firebringer - Shiro
Venmar - xRECKONERx
beeboy - ActionDan
Antihero - Kagami

Fire-Shrio dies flips scum
then kagami dies and flips scum

leaves us with
Venmar - xRECKONERx
beeboy - ActionDan
Dunnstral - Maki Harukawa

Recks posting feels towny on the last page even if I disagree with it
so lynch bee slot and we win?
Pedit: Your "I would do ___ as scum" and "I sr everything" is really really bad and I feel like you're doing that tryhard scum thing again trying to be lamist
or it's dan
eh

Sets me up as a lynch.

I value NKA really highly because most players tend to be disgusted when it gets brought up.
I don't think scum ever try and WIFOM a kill.

The kill always has a purpose and I don't see the purpose of the kill in a world where I am scum?

I'm voting you after I get fire and shiro to flip

this is horrid
idc what dunn's telling me in the pt

like you've NEVER said this before
I feel like you're just throwing this in to give yourself a better agenda and I don't really think town you would believe this ever you're better then

this

"I am going to vote you after Fire/Shiro flips."
"Declares I am playing to a scum agenda"

Like a combination of the lolcat during twilight Maki did.
I think Ali has the ability of reading Maki.
Then Maki comes into the day and just hard tries to setup the 1v1 against me.

Like idk.
I really like my 1 on 1 interactions with her but I feel like I am having trouble overlooking everything else?


I don't really like Fire's defense of Shiro all game and Shiro isn't that great himself either. I also think Fire's interactions with scum could easily just be S/S.

Idk I don't trust either of these pairs and I see the world in which they are scum together.

I'm not trying to set up a 1v1 with you. I was leaning on your being town of your pair. And then you come into this "why don't you have me as town based on NKA"
Nka is outright shit
like disagreeing is perfectly fine and all that but you're trying to act like you should be lock clear when...no? You also don't seem be solving my slot at all

"I am not trying to 1v1 you"
(please look up as Maki cannot be unaware she is trying to set me up to die)

So basically to not really summarize the quotes which are there to just back up this paragraph anyway.

Maki has expressed paranoia of me roughly the entire game.

Maki has not actually at all stated where this comes from

at any moment in time.

She says I more likely to be town for 2 throw away reasons the sheeping the Dunnstral read (which he never explains) and a tone read.

Maki knows that I town read people who scum read me and I town read paranoia.

She avoided having a read on me

or talking about my posts directly this entire game.
I assumed the general paranoia was townie but looking back at the read there really is never any follow up or anything that indicates that paranoia is coming from a town mindset. So I just feel like she is saying she is paranoid of me because it's what I want to hear? Like not interacting with me is 100% ok if there is nothing to talk about but if she was truly paranoid of me all game then I feel like she wouldn't approach her read on me the way she did.

Paranoid towns interact with there reads and talk about them while Maki is really just stating paranoia all game without specifying anything in regards to it or talking to people about me.

Then she opens the day by saying I am scum and starts to push me which also comes out of nowhere?
Without ever really trying to engage me or sort me herself?
And while trying to kill me at some point she says she is not trying to setup a 1v1 on me which is literally what she is doing?

Her entire read on me does not reflect a town trying to sort someone, it's scum acting paranoid to avoid engaging me.

tldr: bold sentences.

Maki has lock towned Venmar/Reck the entire game.
Has scum read one half of Fire/Shiro the entire game.
Doesn't really talk about Kagami until day 2 where she locks them as scum based on POE.

I like her read progression on Fire and Dunnstral and that's about it?
And I need to think this relative to pairs and I don't like Maki's lack of real read progression on the Fire/Shiro pair itself.

Like read the bolded to get her read on me in the first post.
Find a spot in the game where she would consider killing Reck.
Try and find a spot in the game where she won't kill your pair.
Then Ctrl+F Kagami.

[beeboy]

Like read the bolded in that post where i explain the paranoia is really meh and not town.
Then ctrl+f living player names.
I am trying really hard to make this clear.

[Shiro]

You seem pretty mislynchable atm?

That's the trap :p

I will when home. Can't really do it from phone.

[Venmar]

I think reck is town

maki/dunn and shiro/fire i think are the most likely pairs to flip a scum (dunn and shiro in specific)

not interested in lynching outside of the pairs above

[beeboy]

One of those pairs is being voted by me

[Venmar]

tentatively going to calling beeboy/dan a town/town pair, but this is because i think boy has been mostly townish and dan has been useless and i can't read him off of 2 posts. tentative.

Shiro's entire play this game has been:

lurk lurk lurk
lurk lurk lurk
come in and hypertunnel on the VI
[intermission]

echoing this because i was going to say it anyway; shiro's push against harambe was just ass. i said this in my pt with reck but i'm quite convinced the harambe wagon just reeks of scum agenda and i think shiro and dunn are the guilty party here.

[beeboy]

VOTE: Maki/Dunn

Your wrong on both Shiro and Dunnstral but you know what!
I am ok with that because whatever works.

[Shiro]

I though you scumread me bee??

tentatively going to calling beeboy/dan a town/town pair, but this is because i think boy has been mostly townish and dan has been useless and i can't read him off of 2 posts. tentative.

Shiro's entire play this game has been:

lurk lurk lurk
lurk lurk lurk
come in and hypertunnel on the VI
[intermission]

echoing this because i was going to say it anyway; shiro's push against harambe was just ass. i said this in my pt with reck but i'm quite convinced the harambe wagon just reeks of scum agenda and i think shiro and dunn are the guilty party here.