Valentine's Dance - [GAME OVER]

[Dunnstral]

Didn't you say earlier that you thought maki needed to set up a 1v1 with your pair to be lynched eventually? But then you later think actiondan could be scum with maki, does this all still make sense

[Dunnstral]

venmar and reck are both pushing me like I'm scum on the harambey wagon while I never voted him and reck goaded him to suicide

[beeboy]

bee:

- I told her not to talk about Kagami pre-dance. I told this to you guys as well.
- I talked about my read on you to her
- Her reads aren't stagnant and I've talked to you about the gamma/harambey thing

And it's hard to sympathize with you when you're pushing my slot for death while also going on about how venmar/reck is town and how you might leave the dance if we're both town
Like, look at post 2777?

I actually think us leaving -> you leaving has a high chance of a town loss, no thanks, if you think maki is scum and always with fire, you should just be trying to lynch them? And if, for instance, Shiro is scum but not fire, you won't think Maki is scum?

Like your Maki read has some conditionals on who else has to be scum with her so you should be looking there first?
I don't want to be the next pair voted out in any case, I think some of the stuff you have posted is wrong and I'm concerned about how you're reading the game otherwise

My Fire read is the one with conditionals not Maki actually.
I think Maki being scum is completely independent from everything else.

I think POE is a bad excuse to scum read Kagami.
I heavily disagree on Maki's reads not being stagnant. She unvoted Gamma for the AtE thing which I think Maki is just sensitive to regardless of her alignment? I don't think it's fair to look at that one instance and unvote by her and say that my argument of her having 0 other read progression is mute. Cause like I feel like Maki would feel bad pushing that through as scum.

[beeboy]

Didn't you say earlier that you thought maki needed to set up a 1v1 with your pair to be lynched eventually? But then you later think actiondan could be scum with maki, does this all still make sense

She was setting this up at the start of this day phase is what I said, I think?
She outright said she would try and get me lynched after Shiro/Fire.

[Antihero]

Scum are less likely to hard push lynches early then town are in a nightless setup

what is this based on?

[Antihero]

idk what maki has to do with venreck

[beeboy]

Scum are less likely to hard push lynches early then town are in a nightless setup

what is this based on?

Experience while playing nightless games?
The people who go super hard trying to get people lynched are a lot more likely to be town.

I am sure you can find an instance of scum doing it? But I can't really think of one off the top of my head.
Like we can argue WIFOM but I don't really want to go in circles about that.

[beeboy]

idk what maki has to do with venreck

Well Maki is my top scum read if you haven't noticed.
I don't think Maki and Reckmar are aligned.

So I go for the stronger read first before I attempt another push.

Also just in general I am just voting my strongest scum read.

[beeboy]

I don't think Maki hard town reads a scum buddy the way she does Reckmar this game.
Her buddies are the people lower on her read list she is either talking about lynching in the future Dan/Kagami.
Or people she had some kind of progression on like Firebringer.

Because you'd be more self aware as scum.
Also, I changed my mind on Kagami
I think Maki is always scum.
I don't think Reckmar is scum with Maki.

And lynching Reckmar first kinda just tosses a pretty easy win into the garbage?

[Antihero]

the easy win was in the garbage when harambe suicided. we're past that

ok we'll just let a few days off the clock before we do anything sounds good to me

[beeboy]

If I vote Reckmar and they flip town then everyone refuses to consider Maki for scum still and don't actually ever reply to Maki case can I be really bitter the entire time and exclaim how I hate mafia?

[beeboy]

I am willing to just move on but I am not happy about it.

[beeboy]

VOTE: Reckmar

I don't think this is right but I don't want to yell for another 20 pages only to end up at the same point and be toxic.

I think I spoke about my read as much as I could.
I feel like a lot of things are just being ignored but like whatever I accept that sometimes you just have to move on.

Like I really just don't feel good about this :/

[beeboy]

If like I am at a 7 right now.
This flipping town brings me up to like a 9.

If this flips scum ima just shut up for the rest of the game.

[Kagami]

Supposed to be done with mafia for a while, but here I am I guess.

[Kagami]

Chesskid's lynch list is probably correct.

[Kagami]

also my PT last night i really did think ven was town

he came in fucking raging about the suicide which imo didnt feel fake
we bantered back and forth joking "tell your buddies to kill XXX"

actually i literally said "can you make sure your team kills chess instead of anti, thanks" which would be VERY cheeky for venmar to then do exactly that
he asked me if my buddies would kill fire/shiro over anti

we also spent time reviewing the chess push and putting together why we thought chess was scum
idk man seems like a lot of hoops to jump through for a fake read if venmar is scum when it was clear a chess kill was gonna wind up flinging shit in our direction anyway

ven's last shotcall was that shiro/dunn/chess were the scumteam and that shiro was especially suspect for lurking all game then coming in to just go ham on the easy opportunistic lynch on dumbtown harambe (notes that dunn is is a similar boat)

we BOTH feel that mining harambe's wagon for scum is the best play because there's a HUGE chance scum were pushing the easy pairing

Did Venmar have harambe as town in your PT prior to 2505?

Was he complaining that there was another impulsive suicide, or was he complaining that we lost an obv-town slot?

[Kagami]

I would still be astonished if Maki-Dunn is scum-free.

I think scum in reck-venmar is venmar, so if there's a really good reason to townread venmar, then I'd rather go maki or maybe even FB-shiro.

We need some ActionDan action nowish, too. I think AD also kills chess-elli even with the favorable "lynch list"

[beeboy]

I would still be astonished if Maki-Dunn is scum-free.

Ok I have decided voting town reads is stupid

VOTE: MakiDunn

Let's go.

[Kagami]

I don't think Reckmar is scum with Maki.

Why not?

[beeboy]

I don't think Maki hard town reads a scum buddy the way she does Reckmar this game.
Her buddies are the people lower on her read list she is either talking about lynching in the future Dan/Kagami.
Or people she had some kind of progression on like Firebringer.

Because you'd be more self aware as scum.

I think she wouldn't just lock town a buddy as town all game, she'd be more self aware and try distance / like give herself room for doubt so people can look and not have her look completely awful.

[Kagami]

VOTE: maki-dunn

[Kagami]

I don't really see why she wouldn't?

I think in all probability both venmar and one of maki-dunn are scummos

[Kagami]

I think it's more likely dunn than maki, btw.

[Antihero]

if u think both are scum why didn't u hammer?