Micro 780: SHENANIGANS

[Not_Mafia]

lol

[Almost50]

my damage control in that post is perfect, no soft claims and no hints

I know what I'm doing

and you all should listen to me if you want to win

And now I DO have a problem: dreal/Dino/Vax all are playing a good game, so I can't decide which of them is actually faking, and if I did I still wouldn't be able to know what their role might be.

I'm willing to bet it's not the Jester though. I'm also willing to drop my lyncher read on Jay if: (1) dreal is lyncher on Dino, or (2) Dino is lyncher on me.

@Dino: If your PM says you're a lyncher on James, that was troll, mate. There is NO JAMES in this game, so you're a survivour. OK??

[Almost50]

10 min break then back to catching up

[Mathdino]

given that drealm's vote on me was basically a "fuck you, i'm lynching you if you're not lynching not_mafia with me"

and given that drealm is trying to powerlynch vax when our claims are at odds

i heavily heavily doubt that drealm is my lyncher

[Almost50]

i'm literally this sure of jay not being my lyncher
VOTE: Mathdino

you can't win on this angle when i'm willing to just prove you wrong jay

This is a scum claim by all means. You're the Jester. Thank you.

[Mathdino]

as long as you don't end up lynching not_mafia because you don't think he could be jester

you're damn welcome

[Almost50]

So, dreal is most likely town with Vax/N_M (and so far I'm leaning Vax, but not as confident)

[Almost50]

I don't want you to murder me, actually. I'm making it as clear as can be that you're the jester.

Not my lyncher.

Not mafia that can just lynch anyone.

That doesn't hold water, my friend. Why would Jester NOT hammer you? OK, why wouldn't Yakuza? The fact that you put yourself @L-1 tells me you ARE the Jester who is/was eager for Yakuza to hammer, or maybe was hoping to verify if Jay was a lyncher on you (and still win while you confirm it).

[Almost50]

ya, that's my read on NM, vax

My problem with that is Vax did go along with you on the mass claim thing, which was why I had you both leaning scum on the opening page. I can now see it coming from town, albeit still a bad move, but are you BOTH that bad?

I mean -again, ignoring my knowledge of my own role- either one of you is the PGO, OR it's me and you're the other 2 visiting roles. Now if one of you was a PGO, why would they want to out themselves (as opposed to just play in a way that makes them unlikely to be targeted by the active TPRs)? If neither of you is the PGO, then you were both trying to play safe, but then the the Deprogrammer doesn't need that because they can self target.

Let me put it this way:

If I'm the Deprogrammer; I'm against mass claim.
If I'm the PGO; I'm against mass claim.
If I'm Doctor; I can probably manage without the need for a mass claim.

As for targets:
If I'm Deprogrammer/Doctor I "might" be on myself/dreal (respectively)
If I'm the PGO I obviously won't be targeting anyone, but I will hope to be targeted by both Yakuza/Jester, but not Deprogrammer/Doctor.

Btw, I'm assuming Yakuza trying to shoot PGO will result in them both dying? If that's true, then Lyncher can claim tomorrow and if their target is still alive get their win along with the town. If they already turned into a survivour it should be game over because the only threat to town has been eliminated and thus Town & Lyncher (Survivour) will win and Jester & Yakuza would have lost.

[Almost50]

Jester's not gonna join you. I'm not gonna join you. So unless N_M decides to self-vote, what's your plan for pushing this lynch through?

And why won't N_M vote himself? Oh, because he's not the Jester. Right. So, why won't YOU/Jay lynch him then?

[Almost50]

@ ppl TRing NM because "he doesn't play like this as scum"

what's he play like as scum? with enthusiasm? like, the enthusiasm it takes to create a first post like his? if he got his role PM and was bummed to be town, does he take the time to create that post?

He plays exactly the same way as either alignment. Dino KNOWS this well as he was modding the last game where Jay+N_M+Montosh were the scum team.

[drealmerz7]

wish james would have replaced out before all the claiming

he wasn't helping solve the game AT ALL

[Almost50]

I mean Not_Mafia is literally playing the exact same strategy as when he was mafia in jester nightless

Could expect me and Jay to lynch him for that

So Jay mafia with Not_Mafia jester would actually work

And now I'm 100% you're not town (bc you saw N_M play like this as Town, Mafia, and -according to you- Jester? I know he was Town when I was SK and you were Cop (and Bins was lynched on D1.. NEVER gonna let you forget that one, mod)

I also know he was Mafia in the game you modded recently where I was BG and got shot by both Vig & Mafia protecting a Townie (and causing more shenanigans than THIS game could ever have)

I now also know Jay is not Town (I realize he claimed, but still it confirms it) because he was N_M's Mafia partner in that game too, so he knows you know N_M plays like this all the time but doesn't bother to point it out.

To me, N_M's play is still NAI nd he could be just about ANYTHING (except my own role), but as I still have a Town Lean on Vax that makes N_M less likely Town.

The question is: If N_M is "precisely" Yakuza, why would Dino oppose his lynch? If Dino is a Lyncher he is NOT going to get shot at night if we do lynch the Yakuza, and he is guaranteed a win tomorrow if that's the case.

If Dino is Jester, he might be afraid of getting shot by PGO, but if he survives the night he could still argue his way into a combined win with the Town over the Lyncher.

If Dino is Yakuza, why would he be opposed to N_M lynch still?? I mean, Dino's playing in a way I cannot figure anymore. That's not Town him, but I can't see him playing like this as either of the 3 others.

But there's a slight chance Jester!Dino decided to play it VERY safe and drive us all crazy enough to just lynch him anyway. I don't know if he has it in him to do that though. Or maybe he's PGO hunting and is confident N_M isn't PGO?? But what guarantees him the Yakuza won't shoot him either???

I give up!! All I know is dreals is Town and I'm Town and I have no idea what anybody else is or is trying to achieve.

[drealmerz7]

you should know that vax is not jester too, btw

[Almost50]

James is scum AND my target. So kindly vote him plz.

But if you don't believe me, atleast he'll be himself as the Yakuza tonight regardless and I win as Surv.

I'm more inclined to believe that over anything else you said. WORK WITH THE TOWN TODAY, and I will personally guarantee you I'd be your lynch tomorrow. How about that?

[Almost50]

I almost fell for it

ALMOST

*Suddenly you hear a deep voice from the sky: Your prayers have been heard, and though shalt get what you wished for*

[Mathdino]

A50, town can't win with lyncher unless lyncher's target is the mafia themselves

that deal is nonviable

we should just lynch jay

[JaydragonKing]

Read the rules again Dino. I can win with town when the mafia dies.

[Almost50]

Batman in disguise



But he still doesn't know the order in which he's supposed to put on his uniform

[Mathdino]

That doesn't hold water, my friend. Why would Jester NOT hammer you? OK, why wouldn't Yakuza? The fact that you put yourself @L-1 tells me you ARE the Jester who is/was eager for Yakuza to hammer, or maybe was hoping to verify if Jay was a lyncher on you (and still win while you confirm it).

you made my point for me somewhere

jester doesn't hammer because they run the risk of getting shot by mafia, converted, or running into the PGO (or mafia running into PGO which ends the game)

mafia doesn't hammer because hammering would literally just be a scumclaim

i wanted to show that jay wasn't my personal lyncher and i did that

plus jay is a lyncher but not on me anyway

[Almost50]

A50, town can't win with lyncher unless lyncher's target is the mafia themselves

that deal is nonviable

You're lucky I was looking for that photo so I read your post, and it's FALSE. Town can lynch Yakuza or Yakuza could run into PGO and then the game GOES ON if the Lyncher target is still alive. If not, the Lyncher automatically becomes a survivour and still wins with Town.

[Mathdino]

@Mod:

If mafia is lynched D1 and town then lynches the Lyncher's target D2, who wins?

[JaydragonKing]

Are we supposed to lynch our deprogrammer in this scenario? I'm so confused on how to play this. And no, the game ends if the lyncher gets lynched.

@MOD, can Jester win if we kill the Mafioso and Lyncher?

Because town can just not lynch.

Even with a Mafia lynch D1, game will continue until the Lyncher or his target is lynched (unless the Lyncher becomes a Survivor). Jester must be lynched to win.

Also, to clarify: Lyncher target cannot be themself.

[Almost50]

jay has had blatant fuckery going on, dino has been going along with it

you can't trust either of them

stay on NM, see what james ends up doing

Up to THIS point (middle of page 16) I only trust YOU. I'm not 100% on Jay Jester though, which is why I'm not 100% on lynching N_M.

I THINK No Lynch now has some merits based on the mechanics of this game.

1- The Jester does NOT get lynched today (check)
2- The Lyncher does NOT win today (check) (They can win tomorrow, but not with the Yakuza still alive)
3- We do not accidentally run up a TPR (check)
4- Yakuza has a bigger pool to shoot from, thus a slightly better chance of shooting Jester/Lyncher/PGO (check)

What do you think?? << @DREAL. Anyone not named Drealmerz7 need NOT respond. Thank you.

[drealmerz7]

If we lynch Doc or Deprogrammer:
NK = town: 25%
NK = Death: 25%
NK = Scum: 50%

If we lynch Paranoid Gun Owner:
NK = Town: 50%
NK = Scum = 50%

If we lynch Lyncher:
NK = Town: 75%
Nk = Jester: 25%

It may actually be in our interests to lynch Town today. WTF?

Also, we need the Mafia to NK the Jester to prevent a Jester win.

what about a NL, JB?

For a NL, we get a 60% chance for a town hit and a 40% chance for a scum hit. Odd aren't great, but they're better than lynching a scum still, which is weird.

if this is right then, ya, NL is definitely viable - but it feels really weird - also we run into issues because of target selection and possible alignment shift come tomorrow depending on who banks on who doing what to who

and I'm pretty sure vax is yakuza