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[Lovebird]

Actually, maybe I'll just read. A lot of the questions that I think up seem to just get answered.

[eth0s]

Ok, reading through now. Anything I should keep in mind when reading?

Don't bother reading sauce's long shitposts. I think Thor might've been onto something as well. Maybe help figure out why he was killed

[Lovebird]

At around page 13, thoughts from reading through (only on people who are alive right now):

Profil suddenly aborting from his push on thor in 47 and calling them both town seems like hardcore backpedaling.

The way lalendra dealt with her profil vote felt really self conscious.

Lalendra’s only comment in 57 is about the vote on her, nothing else about the game.

I think discussing the number of mafia is just an excuse to talk about the setup instead of scumhunting, but the way acryon dealt with Sauce felt kind of opportunistic.

Lalendra does the same thing again with only talking about the comments against her.

Ethos’ indignance at the votes on him seems kind of towny.

Lalendra’s vote on Flavor seems contrived.

Profil saying he’ll meta dive sauce seems towny.

Profil wanting to wait for dunker and hyung is towny. Kind of feeling profil as more towny now. If he’s scum he started playing better since earlier in the game.

Really like flavor leaf’s posting thing with the images. Just felt like saying that.

Acryon's not really standing out that much.

Ethos saying he doesn’t have two townreads is weird, but maybe more likely to come from town than from scum. Not sure.

[Lovebird]

At about page 22.

Think ethos actually looks pretty bad in the whole conversation with rb.

Ethos’ 359 has kind of a weird tone talking to Lalendra.

Lalendra’s reasoning for the sauce vote feels pretty genuine really.

Read a whole ton of stuff with Flavor Leaf and don’t think I really retained anything useful on the people still alive.

[Lovebird]

Kind of getting tired reading honestly. I'll try to come back to it tomorrow. Open to talk in the meantime.

[eth0s]

I'm too tired to say anything of substance right now but I just want to say it's actually sad but also incredibly fortunate that the replacer has already provided more content that the previous two players on the slot combined.

[eth0s]

I am going to ISO Thor irl_tomorrow and maybe rb/dunkers but I have a harder time making sense of the purpose behind their posts. Maybe will look at FL again, too but I don't remember him ever being that helpful. Also the more I think about it, the more I think profii is scum.

[profii]

Going to be asking some questions that were maybe already answered, sorry if that's annoying.

It obviously wasn't a serious vote - however, if you lot decide it was super scummy and move to lynch me - that's ok but before the hammer, I can tell you it's an ok play for town but definitely not the best... consider that a breadcrumb for later.

Did this ever get explained? Seems scummy if profil claimed vt later.

Soft claim VT so losing VT better than losing PR was my thinking as people think the way to play this game is push for a claim on day 1 and out a PR quite a lot

I can’t even rememeber if I’ve fully hard claimed in this game so if I haven’t I am hard claiming VT

[Lovebird]

Don't really understand why you would feel the need to softclaim or breadcrumb being vanilla town.

[profii]

Self vote experiment

I like to play outside normal conventions

To be fair it didn’t go well

[Lovebird]

Okay, still not really sure but I guess.

Can you talk about your reads right now?

[profii]

In a few hours it’s 6am and I’m getting ready for work

[profii]

But leave anything you want to know and I’ll get back to you

[eth0s]

Is profii saying that self-voting and saying that lynching him wouldn't be the worst thing ever is a good VT breadcrumb (if such a thing even exists)?

Nah... that's not a VT breadcrumb. That's more scumvidence.

Bigger, more substantial post still on the way. Got to prepare for my class in a few hours. I will hopefully have a big post out here within 12 hours or so.

[Lalendra]

Is profii saying that self-voting and saying that lynching him wouldn't be the worst thing ever is a good VT breadcrumb (if such a thing even exists)?

Nah... that's not a VT breadcrumb. That's more scumvidence.

Bigger, more substantial post still on the way. Got to prepare for my class in a few hours. I will hopefully have a big post out here within 12 hours or so.

I disagree because I did the exact same thing.

[acryon]

@Mod:

I am fortunately am going to be on V/LA until Monday morning CST. So I'll be back ~12 hours before deadline.

Glad we have a replacement who seems engaged. My reads haven't changed.

[eth0s]

Is profii saying that self-voting and saying that lynching him wouldn't be the worst thing ever is a good VT breadcrumb (if such a thing even exists)?

Nah... that's not a VT breadcrumb. That's more scumvidence.

Bigger, more substantial post still on the way. Got to prepare for my class in a few hours. I will hopefully have a big post out here within 12 hours or so.

I disagree because I did the exact same thing.

You self voted?

[Archwing]

Confession is not betrayal. What you say or do doesn't matter; only feelings matter.

VOTECOUNT 3.06

Not Voting(5):

profii, eth0s, Lalendra, acryon, Lovebird

With 5 players alive, it takes 3 to lynch.

The deadline for Day 3 is in (expired on 2018-02-19 18:12:41)

Mod Notes: Have Fun!

[Lovebird]

Think I'll start reading again.

[Lovebird]

Profil, just want to know your reads.

[Lovebird]

Got distracted.

Still made progress but I'm writing less down. Things might pick up now that flavor and sauce aren't there anymore.

[profii]

Ok - Lal seems to be so apathetic I’m fairly confident that’s a scum slot. Last time I was at MyLo I argued for about 3 pages because someone accidentally scum read me and I wouldn’t give up on losing the game. Through missing details and not going back to find stuff like the breadcrumb she just referenced makes me think she’s half give up and accepted her fate of likely lynch today.

Eth0s could fit 2 shot vig or SK - doesn’t matter because either way he needs to kill scum today so he is a pro town slot on day 3

You- I await your summary, your slot has been so quiet

Acryon- really could go either way. I’ll make a firmer decision after I conclude on you

I’m not 100% sure it matters, if Eth0s does shoot tonight he has control of the game, assuming we are right on Lal and we get a night 4

[Lovebird]

Up to page 35.

Profil kind of does the same thing to Flavor that he did before with Thor in backing off from a push on someone who’s also pushing him by saying that they’re both town and moving elsewhere.

Wasn’t Lalendra townreading Flavor before? (Her intent to hammer)

757 from acryon seems kind of towny.

Can’t really focus, too many posts from Sauce.

[profii]

well I need to look at Acryon's ISO as eth0s did it and I didn't do my own.
Where I am at is, eth0s = most pro town and Lal is least, but because of the lack of content from the Lovebird slot I am struggling to sort Acryon and Lovebird. So let's do that.

I'll do it in my usual style of saying something about Acryon's play and linking the posts that back that up. I mentioned earlier that I was looking at Acryon differently to eth0s so hopefully this will help

Casting aspersions on Sauce (who we know is town ofc)
25, 41, 58, 61, 112, 164, 195, 199,

Aspersions on Lal
249,

Wanting people to play the game, this seems pro-town.
173, 180, 279, 355, 881 (wants Kop to play via voting him),


shutdown on game speculating,
29, 367, 375,

insightful reads
696 - everyone is all likely wrong on town reading Sauce, the 3 listed players flipped town. Acryon also doesn't know how anyone can scum read FL, which I pushed heavily and Acryon is yet to push me. Interesting.

Defence of the Lovebird slot
725,

Self defence
802, interesting defence of the early town block (which we didn't know at the time, was perfect)

[profii]

Conclusion to the above

The most interesting thing is that Acryon shut down Sauce very quickly on Day 1 when speculating about game setup. Now, with 10 players, I can see a 2v1v7 setup quite easily, because even numbers are a butt for getting a majority so adding a SK out of the potential 3 scum seems like a balancing ploy.

A sensible serial killer wouldn't kill til late on otherwise the whole vig claim thing becomes an risk for the SK's win con - i.e. scum kill what is essentially an innocent child or a player that may have 2 shots and didn't tell us if that was the claim (etc etc etc)

Now, eth0s didn't jump on his breadcrumb that I found, so there is a distinct possibility that I put words in his mouth. If I leave a breadcrumb, I'm ready to deploy it the second I need to verify a claim so this has bothered me somewhat.


So let's just spin my theory on it's head. Eth0s killed rb with no counter claim, so let's say that's ok. Let's say my setup theory of a SK is also ok for the sake of this speculation.
If I'm the SK, would I contest the vig claim? it basically means 1 of 2 players will die, one being "me" (the hypothetical SK) or the other claimer, which is a risk for my win con.

the SK's win con is to kill everyone else, so by letting eth0s run away with his vig claim and the town head towards a mislynch, that works for an SK.

that puts some weight behind the idea that Lal is actually town, because everyone is happy for her to die in this theory.


So by default, that means:

Scum - eth0s, Lovebird
SK - Acryon
town - Me and Lal.


I'm confident there is a SK which makes picking a lynch tough because I'm going to make a weird deal.

We have to lynch a scum so it may come down to Acryon vs eth0s if people go with the idea that there is a SK amongst us.

The night then comes down to pot luck if the SK/Scum shoot each other and give us a town win, or if the scum decide to shoot a town, just to make it a 1v1v1 draw - or someone gets it wrong and someone wins.


IDK but my gut tells me there is an SK in this game.