Yes, meta-based players are incredibly easy to manipulate (:P). It was that tic-tac-toe game if I recall. (and the first sentence is just a jab, not a reflection of what I think that game was. The only reason I remember you is your avatar)In post 2844, Mathdino wrote:Didn't you beat me as scum against me way back in the day?
Anyway, is Titus's play at all similar to Mathblade? Because like I said, I've been masonlovers with Mathblade trying to get him to drop some non-applicable VCA and he's shut me down. The possibility remains that Titus is being stubborn and Eddie is entirely competent, and unfortunately got swapped out of this game.
I think we're both going to be biased on interpreting Titus's play either way because of the players before her. I'm still townreading Transcend and I'm still townreading Eddie's D1 play in the light of LLD-scum. Like, this back-and-forth is becoming the same arguments over and over, and I fully admit I'm a little confbiased right now.
But I'm also at the point where you've tried to push more than one wagon this game that I've interpreted as essentially a policy lynch on town. You've done it to me, to A50, and (assuming Radja is town) you've offered support to Radja shading. And you interpreted Transcend playing to his town meta as the scummiest thing on earth besides me. So I think we're both pretty confbiased there.
Remind me your read on Elena?
I think it is accurate to say that both Mathblade and Titus are stubborn. Is that what you think this is? Titus is so stubborn that she can't see fact from fiction? If that's the case, why did she recant the idea that she started the Fitz wagon? Certainly, this is evidence that she isn't blind with stubborn rage.
I always maintained that Eddie scummed up the slot, and that Transcend didn't do anything alignment indicative one way or the other. I questioned you on your townread of him when he was in the game because I believed that he didn't do anything to warrent it (or redeam Eddie).
Townish. Admittedly she has lost the luster I liked from her on Day 1. I can't recall anything she has contributed on Day 2, and that bothers me quite a bit. I don't feel that bothers me enough to put in potential lynch territory, but I will always read what you say, even if I don't respond.
Okay...T-Bone to Eddie: As I just explained to Math, I don't expect you to play for Titus, and I'm not trying to pull you into this game, and I don't want you to feel like you have to have a conversation with me when you aren't here. I do expect you at the very least, when she is making things up about wagons for a portion of the game that you were present for, to correct her. Based on Titus' responses you haven't done that. You and I both know that your Day 1 wagon was the first significant one, and did not form as a reaction or retaliation to anyone, least of all the wagon on me like she contends. I respect this may be a minor detail to you, but this is something that Math and I have been arguing about for several days now...I figure you'd tell Titus something.In post 2845, Titus wrote:Eddie to TBone: this isn't my game, if I wanted to still play this fully I would've let assemble or some other mediocre player come in and basically just be a proxy me. it's unfortunate I was forced to sub, but Titus is entirely capable and I'm not going to shovel my thoughts down her throat and force her to play for me. I'm already sideseat more than I like to but people keep referencing me specifically so :shrug:
im here to discuss reads with Titus and whichever of my team reads the game (jj and giga currently). I was shouting things during 4 games and mentioned a few in the 5th, but it isn't my game and not letting Titus do her thing isn't fair and isn't why my team recruited a good player. I don't agree with a lot of what she's said, but at the same time I agree even less with you pushing the narrative that she's lying and manipulating the game state. it's not right, you're significantly exaggerating, and it isn't fair for you and radja to both attack her so much for what amounts to horse puckey. if she's wrong, stop talking down to her and show her why she's wrong.
where's your teams reads? We'd like to see where your team stands in all this and if your one homogenous unit or whether you've been using this as a sounding board. your team isn't the same caliber as radjas but I don't remember you giving any info at all from them period and it's still useful. I stand by 1 scum 1 bad town in u radja, you're making it hard to see which.
Titus add on: Eddie and I disagree on things, but it is a competent team. There's a chance I'm wrong on all my reads, but I'm just not voting in my scumpool unless something shows strongly that I'm incorrect or my team convinces me otherwise. Mathdino came close by saying the VCs might be off.
@Mathdino, Mathblade is a more stubborn version of me, that has issues with townblocks they are not in. See Civ Mafia.
My team is not following my game. The last thing I said to them about this game was something that occurred on Day 1, and then I informed them that we lynched scum and I wasn't a part of it. Davsto replaced in and discussions were had about that. Yeah, I understand it is Team Mafia, it's just not a high priority for our team. It worked for us last time around, we really didn't engage with one another until games were in late stages.
re: Titus add on: And I'm not accusing you of being incompetent. Do you see where the problem is? You are saying verifiably false things. As in, things that have been proven false, things that are not open to interpretation, regardless of what you say, I'll spell it out again. Eddie's wagon was the first significant wagon of the game. That is indisputable fact. I know this is an indisputable fact, and so does Math. He thinks you're capable of that kind of incompetence, and I do not. Do you see where my disconnect is? If I think you are a capable player, then what conclusion can I come to besides that you are scum?
And I don't want to have a circular argument about your opinion that flies in the face of fact. I just want you to understand if my choices to explain your action is either A) you're playing down to your abilities or B) you're scum...I'm going to choose B every time. I will not play or act as if people are not playing to the best of their abilities. That's not who I am.
