Mini 1990: Terror in the City (Game Over)

[Hopkirk]

Kop's got 3 votes on him, and is 'lurking' but also 'too active to risk being replaced'. He'd be a better 'lurker lynch' too.

[Almost50]

yurkin is scum (confirmed)
Koki is scum (confirmed)
third one is in Momrangal/havingfitz >> Dunnstral/Assemblerotws

[Almost50]

@Hop: Kop is Town. If he was Scum Yurkin's lynch

would

have gone through. The way it got dismantled points to scum trying to save their buddy and replacing him with a Kop lynch as a scapegoat.

[havingfitz]

zzzzzzzzz........waiting for a hammer to fall (anywhere).

Spoiler: Kop ISO

10 posts. Wow. Epic. Averaging 1 per day so 3 cheers to Kop! Hip hip Hoo....yah, let's not.

ISO #0...

votes Brassherald (Assembler)

for stinky opportunistic vote on TFL. :/
ISO #1...explains his lack of scum read on TFL. Explains his vote on Brass in more detail. Decent post.
ISO #2...thinks scum are likely to join a TFL wagon. :/
ISO #3...

votes TNE

in response to Hopkirk saying TNE is only person on TFL that he (Hop) doesn't like. This despite Kop not saying anything about TNE up to this point. And IMO TNE falls in the same category of players (I could be wrong) that he is town shading TFL for being. bleh.
ISO #4...v/LA. zzzzzzzzz
ISO #5...Wall post. Some good stuff. Call Assembler vote on yurkin a cop out of a vote. Shades Kiko a bit for discussion with Dunn (feels like scum distancing). Doesn't like the Nero TFL tunnel. Willing to vote Nero, Chick, Koki and Dunn.

Votes Koki

.
ISO #6...post formatting echange with A50. meh
ISO #7...more dialogue with Nero about Nero's TFL tunnel. meh
ISO #8...more dialogue with Nero about Nero's TFL tunnel. ok
ISO #9...

naked yurkin vote

. Albeit after my lobbying for people to vote yurkin...but just a vote and nothing else. ok given my encouragement I guess.

Summary...very little to go on. Doesn't like a TFL wagoning for what I assume is TFL's history of being lynchbait. Which seems in conflict with his objections with Nero's meta tunnel on TFL. Naked vote on TNE and yurkin. Both lurksacks. yurkin wasn't in his earlier lynch pool. All his votes on lurkers for that matter. Not hard to do in this game though. Not sure why he hasn't tried to get a Nero wagon going what with his objection to the TFL wagon and Nero's "tunneling" of TFL. Seems like more of a reason to vote someone than what he provided for any of his other votes...especially TNE and yurkin.

I definitely am not town reading Kop. He could be scum.

AFK....AFK....

back.


wrt Hopkirk's recent post...I can live with a Kop lynch. Assembler would be good too but he will probably be replaced as well (I hope I hope I hope).

VOTE: Kop

I think that is L-2.

[Almost50]

fitz is more likely scum with yurkin who saw for to bus, but jumped off the wagon at the most appropriate time. If not, then that was a really ugly unvote.

P-edit: That was EXACTKLY what I expected you to do, fitz. Vote the counterwagon of your scum p. Thanks for proving my point.

[Hopkirk]

Dunn, TFL, and Mom are likely partners for Kop.

Dunn- Claims not to like Dunn/Kokichi interaction. Votes Kokichi. Doesn’t mention Dunn or anything Dunn does otherwise.

TFL- Initial attack on Brass for his place on the wagon. Lightly discrediting the wagon. Followed by attack on TNE who was on the wagon. Later defends TFL from Nero. Could be associative or just buddying.

Mom- Odd Kop scumreads both Kokichi/Dunn for the Kokichi/Dunn interaction. Neither him nor Mom engage the other on this point.

[havingfitz]

points to scum trying to save their buddy and replacing him with a Kop lynch as a scapegoat.

You realize Hop's the one trying to shift things to Kop. Yes?

[Almost50]

Check THIS out/ In this game Jay did the exact same thing as fitz did here. I pointed it out. Nobody listened. I was NK'd on N1 (by the OTHER scum team). Jay went on to win the game for the WWs.

[Hopkirk]

@Hop: Kop is Town. If he was Scum Yurkin's lynch

would

have gone through. The way it got dismantled points to scum trying to save their buddy and replacing him with a Kop lynch as a scapegoat.

Why? My current perspective can be explained by scum not being on the wagon early- and being reluctant to jump on the easiest mislynch.
Why does the Yurkin lynch go through with Kop scum?
The way I see it, Kop and two potential partners voted Yurkin when Kop was put under threat/just after I voted him. It looks like scum might have been trying to push the Yurkin lynch to defend Kop.
Although this doesn't rely on both Mom/Dunn being Kop's partners. I could see town-Mom doing that too. Fuzzy, another possible partner, hasn't been on line recently.

[Almost50]

Mom- Odd Kop scumreads both Kokichi/Dunn for the Kokichi/Dunn interaction. Neither him nor Mom engage the other on this point.

Mom was park-voting on a vanity wagon before he joined the yurkin wagon, ehich looks more like a buddy who had given up and decided to bus for town cred. firz jumped off the wagon immediately after so if Koki is just bad town (wouldn't be the first time I misread him) then it's yurkin+mom+fitz

[havingfitz]

fitz is more likely scum with yurkin who saw for to bus, but jumped off the wagon at the most appropriate time. If not, then that was a really ugly unvote.

P-edit: That was EXACTKLY what I expected you to do, fitz. Vote the counterwagon of your scum p. Thanks for proving my point.

What ever. Hop made good points for letting yurkin get replaced. All the lurkers suck...I don't really care which of them get lynched. Kop's in range...he works just as well. Read my iso on him....he doesn't warrant saving over a probable yurkin replace.

If you think I'm scum please get me lynched. The sooner the better.

[havingfitz]

A50...explain you Kop tr. Please.

[Almost50]

Hell, even if yurkin is TOWN, that hop off the wagon by fitz would still look scummy!!

VOTE: fitz

yurkin/mom/Koki are also acceptable lynched to me. Kop is not.

[Almost50]

A50...explain you Kop tr. Please.

I just did. The shear resistance to yurkin's wagon makes Kop the designated counterwagon, and you only need to see who is voting which at what times. Kop is Town, yurkin is most likely not.

[Hopkirk]

This game is terrible. No offense mod...you can't help who the player list is. Everyone could be doing more..including me. But the lurkass awol low posting players are dragging it to a whole nother level down. I can't stand games that Assembler and Kop are in because they are black holes of no/low content and mod replacements. And they have competition this game with yurkin and TNE. Fcuk. Can we just quicklynch someone? Anyone so this day can end and perhaps the players left can recharge/regroup/get some fire under their asses?

Assembler - yurkin - TNE....Kop less so for v/LA I guess. Any of these. Can we have multiple D1 lynches?

At least Kokichi is posting a bit so there is hope there. TFL being TFL but at least ~here.

yurkin pissing me off the most atm so

VOTE: yurkin

v/LA until next Tuesday

(Feb 20)

I don't think scum-Fitz makes this post if he's with scum-Yurkin. It's likely the lynch could go through just off of apathy at that point, and Fitz is consistently somewhat apathetic/annoyed by lurkers from this point on.

If Fitz was doing a gambit where he bussed a partner because he expected the partner to be replaced, leaving Fitz to vote one of those other people while heavily distancing from Yurkin then I'd be impressed, but it seems unlikely.

[Kokichi Oma]

I will definitely vote Fitz if we can get that going.

VOTE: fitz

[Hopkirk]

@Almost50:

A50...explain you Kop tr. Please.

I just did. The shear resistance to yurkin's wagon makes Kop the designated counterwagon, and you only need to see who is voting which at what times. Kop is Town, yurkin is most likely not.

The Kop wagon was TPG, Nero, and me until Fitz just joined. Nero and TPG had been there a while. If it's a counterwagon, then I'm the one forming a counterwagon.

Did you read 483 where I explained my thoughts on the Yurkin/Fitz interactions?

[havingfitz]

Riddle me this AlmostRight,

If yurkin is scum and I'm his buddy why do I push his lynch as long as I did...pleading for a hammer today...when I could just as easily put a 4th vote on TNE or tied thing 3 ways and voted Kop?

No way I bus a partner that hard with perfectly equal/better alternatives.

Your either off or scum. If your not scum please pull your head out of your bum.

Your kop love is suspect. I couldn't care less (save Hop's points) which of them dies.

Kop iso is crap...your defense is noteworthy

[havingfitz]

Annnnd koki not really invested in the kop wagon....L-3 now. Same as yurkins.

[havingfitz]

I will definitely vote Fitz if we can get that going.

VOTE: fitz

Why?

[Kokichi Oma]

I believe A50 would misread me, he does it a lot. Fitz wagon let's get this started!

[Kokichi Oma]

Did you miss the part where you were my first SR

[Almost50]

Counterwagons do not necessarily get formed by scum votes. Mos of the time the scum team manipulates the game status to let TOWN form the CC and join in later so as not to appear "driving" the mislynch. Let's lynch Kop.. and when he flips Town both you and me will be the next MISlynch targets. You for pushing on Kop and me for defending him (thus allegedly knowing he will flip town, thus I'm scum who was defending Kop for Town cred.. etc).

I've seen it dome multiple times in multiple ways. Like, scum could push scum in a scummy way to dissuade the town from joining that wagon and making hem more likely to join the designated counterwagon. (that's what mom did, btw). Or they could bus their p and jump off the wagon pretending it was because someone else said something (fitz did this) so it creates a global (mis)conception the argument was good against the scum wagon and it is better to join the wagon on the town player.

When said player flips green, nobody remembers who switched their votes, but rather the one who went strongly for/against those lynches. CHECK THAT GAME. Jay was Beefster's p, and he jumped off the wagon when it reached L-1, then Beef hammered himself when all others on his wagon were TOWN. The funny thing is both Jay and the two Mafia players were on the counterwagon 9even I didn't see that one coming), and if it wasn't for Mathdino playing one of his best games we would not have lynched Mafia. But still, Mafia shooting me on N1 only served JAY the most and he went on to win the game.

[Almost50]

^@Hop, btw

[havingfitz]

Did you miss the part where you were my first SR

So the overly defensive accusation?

What's your current read on Kop?