Mini 1993 - Earthbound Mafia: Giygas' Curse - GAME OVER

[Beefster]

Inferno:

A) It's no benefit to you, but it is benefit to town. Town needs to explain reads so that they can better sort and find scum, even if the read is poor. The fact that you're going to withhold information so as "not to get a mislynch" on someone you find is playing scummy seems incredibly off.

We're not going to change our play to look townie. That's scummy behavior in of itself. What I can do if you explain your read is have a conversation about it and gather information from that read to form my own reads.

And you're telling me that if Paradox had a very towny town game, you'd call it scummy anyways becasue he's a scummy player? Because that's what it seems ike you're saying.

Hmm... Once again, this looks self-conscious.

[the worst]

Beef!!

How are you reading Math so far?

[Mathdino]

Inferno:

A) It's no benefit to you, but it is benefit to town. Town needs to explain reads so that they can better sort and find scum, even if the read is poor. The fact that you're going to withhold information so as "not to get a mislynch" on someone you find is playing scummy seems incredibly off.

We're not going to change our play to look townie. That's scummy behavior in of itself. What I can do if you explain your read is have a conversation about it and gather information from that read to form my own reads.

And you're telling me that if Paradox had a very towny town game, you'd call it scummy anyways becasue he's a scummy player? Because that's what it seems ike you're saying.

1. I disagree. If I were actually scumreading you at the time, I would've explained it. However, I was not scumreading you, I was noting that your playstyle is such that a lot of people are going to find it scummy. THAT'S what I mean by "scummy".
Now that I am scumreading you, I explained it.

2. Yeah, town doesn't do that, but scum does. There are times when fully explaining a scumread is anti-town. Plus I wasn't scumreading you, lol.

3. Yes! I was scum with him as town, and I recognised that he was generally pretty scummy (to the point where everyone else but me was scumreading him), but I hard defended him because he always plays that way as town. I was fake-townreading him, despite admitting that he was scummy and dropped scumtells everywhere.

Inferno:

No. Scummy is a term used to define a post. It cannot be used to define an overall playstyle. People make townie posts as well as scummy posts. The only way you cold convinve me of a scummy player is to find one where every single thing that player posted could fall under the category scummy.

Play more games, lol.

Regardless, you now know my full thought process behind my progression on you, but you're still interpreting my posts under your definition of the word "scummy", when someone has already confirmed that's not how I use it. How does insisting on framing my posts using your definition, help you get a read on me?

[InfernoBrafin]

Inferno:

I would define them as "not very good at playing mafia."

@Beefster: Which part of this is self-conscious?

[Mathdino]

"Good at being town" is about being right, not about posturing and acting like you're town.

You, for example, are always going to rack up scumreads if you play like this. Am I calling you bad at playing mafia for this? No.

I mean right now I'm calling you bad at playing this game because so far you've cast shade on pretty much everyone who's voted you. If you're town, then your reads are what I'd call self-centred.

You also never answered my question about how you're reading the worst, which is hilarious given that you talk a big game about discussing reads.

[the worst]

Inferno:

I would define them as "not very good at playing mafia."

l0l

You are actually probably scum.

[InfernoBrafin]

Inferno:

If that is the way you are using that term, then you should probably use anti-town instead, because I got in really hot water my very first game onsite for using that term in a similar way.
If you are calling me scummy, you are saying that you find my reads coming from a scum view, which makes me believe you are scumreading me. If you are using it in any other way then you are being misleading with your usage of the word.

[Mathdino]

everyone voting me is doing something anti-town because i am town

i've also seen vigilantes shoot conftown before

are either of these actions scummy

obviously not

otherwise i could call anyone who ever votes me scummy

stop with the semantics and get into the game

like i've already won the semantics battle in terms of "people have confirmed that i do in fact use words this way outside of the game"

you can either continue digging your head into the sand on this one, or just accept it and get reads on people despite all that

[InfernoBrafin]

"Good at being town" is about being right, not about posturing and acting like you're town.

You, for example, are always going to rack up scumreads if you play like this. Am I calling you bad at playing mafia for this? No.

I mean right now I'm calling you bad at playing this game because so far you've cast shade on pretty much everyone who's voted you. If you're town, then your reads are what I'd call self-centred.

You also never answered my question about how you're reading the worst, which is hilarious given that you talk a big game about discussing reads.

Inferno:

I'm shading Beefster? I'm shading Worst?

I must've missed you asking about Worst. Right now I'm reading him as null. I haven't really seen anything from him as AI.

[Mathdino]

Brafin: I find the whole "I don't like hydras" thing fishy. That seems really biased against hydras, and a great, scummy way for a non-hydra to say "He's scummy because he's not accounting for the other hydra."
Inferno, I'd like to shift our vote to acryon.

Inferno: RUDE! I'm just approaching the game objectively! Skipping RVS like this and calling half of a hydra scummy is really dumb.
VOTE: BuJaber

Inferno:

Mathdino, the fact that you are saying that Brafin and I are scummy without actually explaining why is scummy in itself. I sound like you're trying to scumread us without actually providing a read.
Plus, we didn't really even push acroyn. We're pushing BuJaber.

@BuJaber, mind if we call you BJ for simplification?
@Worst, I'm glad that someone appreciates my failures at life.

you did not shade beefster or the worst

but that was also after i called you out for shading all the people who criticised you so

[InfernoBrafin]

everyone voting me is doing something anti-town because i am town

Inferno:

This I know is a fallacy, because it assumes you as town. I can't find the page on the wiki right now though, which is annoying.

I'm not the one with scemantics. You are using a word in a way that is misleading, and now calling me scummy because I've been misled.

[the worst]

> ignores 90% of post
> isnt the one with semantics

sry?

[InfernoBrafin]

Inferno:

Beefster was scumreading me long before post #79, which is where you make that accusation. And based on Worst's timing, you more or less ninja'd him.
Plus I've already done the same thing with acryon, and I'm definitely not scumreading there anymore.

[InfernoBrafin]

Inferno:

Give me a sec, Worst, I'll get to the post piece by piece.

[Mathdino]

1. how is that a fallacy
from my perspective, anyone who votes me is doing something anti-town
does this give me the right to call people scummy for voting me

furthermore, is voting a mod-confirmed innocent child scummy?
fuck no, it's just a meme thing to do

2. just stop it with the wordplay
it's not misleading, because literally every other game i've been in people have understood it; you're the one choosing to harp on me for this because you're obsessed with wanting to know why i think you act scummy

I'M ALSO NOT CALLING YOU SCUMMY FOR THE SEMANTICS DISCUSSION BTW

SO ADD THAT TO THE LIST OF REASONS YOU'RE SCUM THAT YOU'VE PUT IN MY MOUTH

[the worst]

I am looking forward to your next post, Inferno.

[InfernoBrafin]

Inferno:

Honestly though, there's not much else I can say about post #82 except that by Dino's definition, he would call those things scummy because they would get scumreads, but at the same time says that those actions are not scummy.
What definition are you using, exactly, Dino?

[Iconeum]

Well, seeing how I seem to have slept through the RVS altogether, might as well:

Not liking the discussion between Math and IB regarding the definition of 'scummy'. I'd say I dislike IB the most in that exchange, though I don't know why Math is going through all that trouble to explain. Also not liking the OMGUS behaviour of that hydra.

Beefster, because you read both IB and Math as scummy right now, you believe it's a SvS fight? Thoughts?

VOTE: InfernoBrafin

fp'd about 7 times?

[Mathdino]

@IB: "Scummy" is a set of behaviours that often ping people or get people to gutscumread them. Most newbies are scummy.
This is different from "scum-indicative", which is the set of behaviours that have been shown to indicate scum.

Inconsistency, for example is scummy. But I'd actually argue it's scum-indicative.

@Icon: I didn't intend to go through this trouble until it started actively confusing this hydra. It's generally not an issue with people.

Icon is town btw.

[Beefster]

Inferno:

I would define them as "not very good at playing mafia."

@Beefster: Which part of this is self-conscious?

The second line mostly.

[Beefster]

Beef!!

How are you reading Math so far?

Leaning scum. His posts feel kinda IIOA-ish.

[Beefster]

Inferno:

I would define them as "not very good at playing mafia."

@Beefster: Which part of this is self-conscious?

The second line mostly.

And the question itself.

[Mathdino]

you do realise i only over-explain shit when asked to or when people don't understand me

the convo with IB was intended to help sort them (went null -> nulltown -> scumlean)

where in my posts do you see IIoA that wasn't a direct clarification to another player

[Iconeum]

Beef!!

How are you reading Math so far?

Leaning scum. His posts feel kinda IIOA-ish.

Really? I read that whole deal as someone trying to explain something that's being misunderstood from his PoV. If anything, I read him as town because of that. Please respond to previous post of mine as well.

fp'd math

[Beefster]

Beefster, because you read both IB and Math as scummy right now, you believe it's a SvS fight? Thoughts?

It's probably not SvS, so I'm likely wrong on at least one of them. I need to wait and see how things develop.