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[Thor665]

I pretty sure I am scumhunting.

Would you like to tell more lies and scream and cry, and avoid answering questions while complaining that someone isn't scumhunting?

[mutantdevle]

Votecount 1.10

(4)

Dr Fanta - voted by: wilky, Beefster, LaserGuy, Thor665.

(3)

Almost50 - voted by: Espeonage, TheGoldenParadox, skitter30.

(3)

Thor665 - voted by: Montosh, Korina, Dr Fanta.

(1)

wilky - voted by: Not_Mafia.

(1)

skitter30 - voted by: Almost50.

With 12 players alive, 7 votes are needed for a majority. Only 6 votes are needed for a no lynch.

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2018-03-01 17:30:00)

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[Not_Mafia]

Fuck these wagons

[wilky]

How does this make sense? If he is Mafia, why would Werewolf kill him if his slot looks scummy?

OK. Why wouldn't they? WWs want to get rid of the

informed

other faction too. The more the Mafia lives and the townies die the more influential the Mafia "bloc" votes become. The more the Mafia votes become influential the harder it is for Wolves to push their agenda, and the harder it becomes to actually lynch Mafia.

It's a matter of "balancing" the powers for the WWs. Their only danger from Town is the Seer. Once that is gone no other townie really matters. Mafia know each other and will protect each other from the lynch and -probably- hunt for the Wolves too. Got it?

I'm not sure I really agree with this. Not in early game anyway, i'd imagine the wolves would like to keep mafia alive so that there are more scum players alive to push for a lynch on through the day. I'd maybe agree with it later in the game where as you said a mafia bloc would affect how votes go through but not now.

@DrFanta- can you answer the question on how i'm daft and the vote on me wasn't for the reasons said?
@Korina- Where's this catchup you were going to give us?

[skitter30]

I think that {Korina/Dr Fanta} make a lot of sense.

I'm getting this from the inexplicable townread Korina had on Dr Fanta a while back, coupled with the fact that Korina is now doing whatever Dr Fanta asks him to.

Spoiler: townread

Fanta:

bujaber: espeon, beefster, dr fanta, wilky
wilky: paradox, notmafia
korina: bujaber, laserguy
thor: skitter
skitter: thor
beefster: montosh

nv: korina

I got impatient -Pepper

I find this Townie.
Apart from that, short ISO, not a lot to read.
(Ever so) slight Town read.

{Self} - Lock Town
{None} - Gut Town
{Fanta} - Slight Town
{Buj, Beefster, Not_Mafia, Paradox, Esp, Montosh, Skitter, Laser} - Null
{Thor, Wilky} - Slight Scum
{None} - Gut Scum
{None} - Lock Scum

I find this Townie.
Apart from that, short ISO, not a lot to read.
(Ever so) slight Town read.

Why is this townie? I think it could easily be scum looking for something to do to look helpful/busy, and so I think it's ultimately NAI.

It's something that it's dependent on when it's posted ultimately, and this is one of the times I see it as a townie thing.

Like this isn't a good reason to townread someone imo, and certainly not strong enough to sheep them without like taking any strong stances of your own. Like he's paying enough attention to switch his vote shortly after Fanta asked him to,

twice

this morning, but hasn't caught up or done much else consequential since his role freakout thing.

[skitter30]

This is 100% skitter's town meta. Like, to a T. Anyone on skitter right now is either obvscum or just.. really, really Smurfing dumb. Or both, in the case of Thor.

Speaking of which, can we lynch scum now? wilky or Thor are my acceptable lynches.

-Pepper

Please describe Skitter's town meta for the really, really dumb amongst us.

I'd be interested in hearing this too.

I prefer not to pick up slack for scum.

OK, if I'm as town as you say you think I am, can you do it for me?

Oh, I forgot the part where I mention I'm not going to answer your stupid questions because I don't feel like contributing to more pages of you distracting and arguing with someone with no end in sight, full of misrepresentations and absolute bologna.

It might've helped prove skitter is town

, but I still think there are more productive ways for us to spend our time rather than listening to you throw a hissy fit because I called your questions dumb.

I thought my 'bad' readslist negated this?

By that I mean, which one do you think is a wolf?

Why do you think he's a wolf (ie and not generic scum)?

I think wilky and Fanta are probably both scum but Fanta's wagon composition is horrible

I actually like fanta's except for the fact that Thor is on it.

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I want to vote Thor but the fact that Dr Fanta and Korina are the reason it's a thing again is kinda weird because I like neither of them independantly and I get partner-y vibes from the two of them together.

But I don't want to vote Dr Fanta cuz Thor's on it.

I don't think {Thor/Dr Fanta/Korina} is a thing.

I scumread Thor the most of the three (although Dr Fanta is running a close second) so

VOTE: Thor

[Thor665]

Hard to go through those gymnastics to back your buddy's play while still distancing from it, huh?

[Korina]

Me posting “catching up now” means I’m reading thread.
Nothing else.

[Almost50]

@Pepper: I liked your argument in 486 very much before I got to read the subsequent posts, so let me ask you this:

You said:

if anyone tells you to get off a wagon because "we will never get a lynch if we're split 5 ways", you're probably voting scum.

So, how come you're saying Skitter is town when I & Thor were 2 of the 4 Laser plead to??

And how come you're still pushing Wilky when -by your own logic- there's a greater chance of there being at least one scum in Skitter/Thor (and by the way you've been going it's obvious you believe Thor to be that scum)??

This now makes me think you are probably scum WITH Skitter trying to scare us (myself and Thor) off that wagon. It would be quite ballsy if you were scum with Thor and doing this for distancing purposes because if someone does listen to you it could end up in Thor's lynch (not to mention I hard TR Thor by now).

Suffice it to say of I'm to move my vote off Skitter it would probably be to lynch you. If you -by some odd chance- flip Town I promise to forfeit my own read and sheep your on Skitter. I may even reconsider my read on Thor in that case.

Hey Montosh and Korina, I know you're both town, come lynch wilky with me and NM and then after he flips scum we can hit Thor okay? ;*

-Pepper

GDI, this even more fishier! You're calling for the two on the Thor wagon (whom you already SR) to switch off to a wagon that is -by your own logic- less likely to flip Scum bc nobody had called on you/N_M to quit it and vote elsewhere!

This move (if isolated on it's own) would make it 50-50 on my mind that Thor IS your Scum p and you are just trying to distance in a really bad way. Of course this still means it's 50-50 that Skitter is your p of the two. In sum, one of Thor/Skitter is scum with you.

However, Thor immediately switching his vote to Fanta in 507 support my read that Thor is TOWN and Fanta is trying to save Skitter.

VOTE: Dr Fanta

I think wilky and Fanta are probably both scum but Fanta's wagon composition is horrible

Why should that stop you from lynching SCUM!Fanta anyway? It's Multi-Ball, you know. Scum will also be voting Scum from the opposing team, and Town will want to lynch Scum regardless.

You've never misread me before. What's the matter?

-Pepper

Thanks for the confirmation. Not even N_M himself claimed he was good at pegging you, but you confirmed he is.

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Fanta voting Thor at this point is a foregone conclusion, but doing it after N_M had said Thor was probably town is one more nail in Fanta's coffin.

Hey you want to start actually scumhunting or being useful to town or are you just going to be salty that people want to lynch you for being scum?

What??

1- N_M said Thor was likely TOWN for starters
2- You're calling Thor Scum, and you're asking him to be "useful to town"??

[Almost50]

OK.. Mafia team is likely Fanta/Skitter/Korina. WWs are probably wilky/Laser. Game solved.

[Korina]

Wrong. I’m a cit.

[Not_Mafia]

OK.. Mafia team is likely Fanta/Skitter/Korina. WWs are probably wilky/Laser. Game solved.

You read my mind

[Not_Mafia]

Actually that a lie I was thinking Fanta/skitter wolves, wilky/laser/Korina mafia due to inexplicable resistance on wilky

[Thor665]

Korina paired with Wilky makes more sense to me than paired with Fanta.
I'm not sure why either of you are particularly scumming on Laser.

[Not_Mafia]

Because he's scum

[Thor665]

[Korina]

Thor are you scum with Laser?

[skitter30]

Hard to go through those gymnastics to back your buddy's play while still distancing from it, huh?

No, trying to figure out how to apply the things that work for me in singleball to this gamestate.

Right now the best model I have to explain what's going on is {Thor/A50/???} as scum and {korina/Dr fanta} as wolves.

But relying too much on associatives tends to majorly mess me up, so I think that I ought to just go with who I find scummiest, especially since it's day 1.

However, Thor immediately switching his vote to Fanta in 507 support my read that Thor is TOWN and Fanta is trying to save Skitter.

How the heck is this an accurate description of the situation? I'm not remotely close to getting lynched right now, so how is Fanta 'saving' me?

OK.. Mafia team is likely Fanta/Skitter/Korina. WWs are probably wilky/Laser. Game solved.

Mafia!me decides to write up a case implicating both of my partners as partners because .... ?

[Not_Mafia]

Actually Fanta/Montosh

[Thor665]

Thor are you scum with Laser?

The implicationbeing he's so obviously scummy that townreading him makes me his scumbuddy by default?
He'll have to wait in line behind Skitter's Thor/A50 case (or maybe presume we're all mafia) but, meh.
This line of questioning is as shallow and empty as all of your other pushes this game.

No, trying to figure out how to apply the things that work for me in singleball to this gamestate.

Right now the best model I have to explain what's going on is {Thor/A50/???} as scum and {korina/Dr fanta} as wolves.

If you think that's legit than voting mafia over wolves is a claim of not grasping how the rules work.

But relying too much on associatives tends to majorly mess me up, so I think that I ought to just go with who I find scummiest, especially since it's day 1.

Naturally - which brings me back to my original comment about your gymnastics.
Maybe you should try talking holistically about your associatives? Then you can avoid these sort of problems by ducking specifics

[Dr Fanta]

Actually that a lie I was thinking Fanta/skitter wolves, wilky/laser/Korina mafia due to inexplicable resistance on wilky

Actually Fanta/Montosh

Lmfao, yes because my scum meta is blatant buddying and ordering around my scumbuddy. That's why I did the exact same thing to sheepsaysmeep that I'm doing right now in

what now
viomi is town so i want to wait for viomi to say smth because i dont trust myself to interpret claims

Vote NSG, clearly my read on her and texcat were both wrong.

LUV is still scum, not sure why texcat doesn't see it, and probably momo as the third.

Definitely my scum meta. That's why-

Sheepsaysmeep was killed Night 5. He was the

Town Jailkeeper

Viomi Town Nighborizer
KidAmn Vanilla Townie

Have Been Endgamed.

Mafia Goons:
northsidegal, Aster & Havingfitz Win

Oh wait..

[Dr Fanta]

The implicationbeing he's so obviously scummy that townreading him makes me his scumbuddy by default?

The implication being you haven't engaged him at all and in fact only ever refer to him for light, fence-sitty defense of him.

[Not_Mafia]

Why are we not lynching Wilky?

[Dr Fanta]

Why are we not lynching Wilky?

Cause he's scum but he's quieter scum than Thor?

[Dr Fanta]

@DrFanta- can you answer the question on how i'm daft and the vote on me wasn't for the reasons said?

I already answered you. How'd you manage to miss it? It's almost like you aren't reading my posts... And you know how I feel about that

-Pepper