Most of my posting has been not here, but I'll be here for now. KMD is catching up so when he does I'll talk with him.
Mechanics
- Maki is town or 3p. They are not groupscum. I will not say more on this, but think about what category this is in before you try to question it.
- I highly doubt both Nerd and Pump are scum, because loldoublescumbomberroles. There are a lot of mechanical reasons that point towards scum!Pump and a lot of play reasons that point towards scum!Nerd I think (we'll see when I do quick isos) but I'll get to that later.
- Nobody has claimed the Dunn kill, the Gamma Raptor kill, the Viomi kill, or the Elli kill. I would assume Gamma kill was factional, so we have 2 unclaimed n1 vigs and an unclaimed d2 kill. Just keep that in mind come mass claim and watch/track results.
- Without claiming, I can potentially check with the mod to verify claim(s) as genuine, so just something to keep in mind if/when we mass claim.
- Speaking of mass claim, it is an option today because it could very well be the day before MyLo if we mislynch, but I don't think it's worth letting scum know what roles they have to deal with. Open to discussing it if anybody disagrees.
- We need to cool down with the quick endings. Events are pro town.
-I don't believe it's likely there's an SK. Alisae hates SK. If there is a third party, I would think it is something not related to "kill everyone", and it is semi likely it can win without interfering with a factional win. I have nothing to back the latter up, but the former is not Alisae's style.
Reads
{L&J, Maki, WF}
{Nerd Complex, Self Meta, Beeboy}
{Illy Pump}
{Squid and Mayo}
If you'll recall, these are my last posted reads. They are moooostly the same, but a few small changes. Regardless, I'm going to break each one down because there's a lot of mechanics and hard evidence at play here and therefore they can be discussed far more than the normal "gut" can. This game does have a lot of shitposting, my initial reaction from catching up after d1 ended before I even checked the thread was along the lines of "okay 23 pages of RVS and circlejerking and then a loldayvig, this is exactly what I expected from Alisae".
- Maki can't be scum with Doggo I don't think.They make slight sense as a 3p, but I consider it far more likely they're town. They are not a valid lynch for today.
- L&J is just town. Their role and how they're playing it makes sense as town. They had their gladiate on me and I was l-2 or something, and I and others had no interest in voting them. They then switched it to Doggo and that happened. What's the scum motivation in that? It was unnecessary bussing if scum, and bussing that doesn't even earn towncred. IIRC, and this may be wrong, Titus almost always scumreads RC so there is some scum motivation for wanting to brrrap them d1, but like, at the same time, think about it (warning: entering wifom territory kinda). Scum!RC has a dayvig that ends the day (essentially a secret day lynch) on top of his gladiate. All he would have to do is gladiate someone random and then secretly kill Titus. Makes the person he gladiated look worse, and he already demonstrated he has a day gladiate he doesn't need to show he has a day hydraenddaykill; if anything, its hard to believe he'd have both unclaimed. Definitely not a natural conclusion. We can talk about the "morals" of killing Titus Kiana like that before a few of us even got to see the thread and before events (which are pro-town) in postgame, but I don't consider it scummy at all when he openly claimed the kill. To exit wifom even more, their role is weird as heck as a scum role and insanely powerful compared to what we've seen so far, probably even moreso than Chara Elli. On town, its kinda like vig in that it can be awesome but EV wise it isn't all that great because it can hurt a ton (as we see d1). I will never be voting this slot and find pushing it ludicrous.
- Fire is town from private places and play and if you want to ignore both of those he got suicide bombed by scum lmao
It gets harder after here, because I'm quite confident in these 3 being town but I'm not confident in any particular person being scum.
- Voices tell me beeboy is town. And, I mean, he has an unclaimed kill that hit his other head so that's town points too; there are conceivable roles that involve killing one of your heads or having it be beneficial for scum to kill one of your heads (especially in a reviver game), but its net +town I'd think. This applies to Maki as well. Play wise, they were with NC and SM before in the category of "I don't remember a single relevant thing you've posted". 866 makes me think the vig being unclaimed is a lot more townie than it randomly is; it is factual that beeboy is not in a good place rn and if scum were gonna do some gambit or their was a benefit to a head dying then beeboy could've just taken the head that was gonna die role wise with no real cost. 910 feels p genuine, don't like 1026 because I'm scumreading that hydra for their readslist lmao but major townpoints if squid is town, and the pump progression is good cause I toneread those posts as town too. To 1443, yea, I'm doing most of my posting in my home and a bit in my work (plus a couple at a party), not in some random house in the woods. I was less sure before isoing but yea beebopalooza can be town.
- Self Meta hasn't posted. At a party I saw 2 or 3 random NAI posts, plus a few NAI posts in the thread, I don't think there's a single alignment indicative thing from the slot. Like, if you want to get super wifomy Boon lurks out as scum tactically more than town I think though not to this degree, and he did post a little bit elsewhere recently as well as being online. There are also a couple failed catchup promises. That wifomy argument doesn't even do much though because when I was scum with Frog he powertowned right there with me, and even if he isn't confident in his scum game he definitely doesn't have the Creature tell of struggling to post. Boats n Hoes. There is nothing AI from this slot and all the slots below are individually scummier, but could be PoE scum. Don't like voting a null slot at this point. Don't like a slot being this null without being replaced at this point either. I'm especially annoyed because both heads are people I'm friendsish with and both people I can at least kind of read, plus Frog - JJ interactions should do good to sorting both of them if they're not SvS (very unlikely because one of NC and Pump is almost certainly scum and even ignoring that just mathematically unlikely).
- Squid and Mayo is not being an easy read. Firstly guys, should have been a red flag that Transcendabyte didn't neighbourize me. You alluded to this a bit, but I can sort Transcend and I can sort Giga + I'm a player with a history of hard defending Transcend when he's town (Chocolate mafia comes to mind I'm certain there's other examples I'm not thinking of), if they were town they had the opportunity to get townread correctly by me and townbloc while doccing me and if I was scum (Transcend has some experience reading me too but I don't think he's ever lynched scum!Eddie - he did push me a bit in TF mafia and in Spring Fever though I didn't play that game really) he could have roleblocked me. There was every reason for town!Transcend to neighbourize my slot, and instead they went for you. There are plenty of WIFOM reasons a town doggo could do that so its passable to not scumread that itself but having them as your hardest townread that easily? Come on dude. Giga and Transcend are not hard reads. I'm sideyeing you a lot for this. I also don't understand Pump being a solid Tr at that stage. The rest of your reads look alright, but 983 is a huge -town equity for yall. (not AI but 158 - have I ever actually told people not to scumread you?). 655 - there are a bunch of posts before this in your iso wat. You get townpoints for being uncc'd in Soviet hood, a decent amount of them. However, I will point out that if Doggo's action failed or the person neighbourized was Chara those are both scenarios your claim makes sense as scum, particularly the former. TBQH, a big reason in favour of a mass claim is I want to see what you do with it, I'm a mechanical player when possible but you're much moreso than me. Your iso seems p barren, you can do more JJ. I don't want to lynch you today anymore but I do not townread you at this point.
-Illy Pump can go on top but barely. They seem town tonally. 674 830 etc - Pushing Doggo for not dying when they didn't actually Suicide Bomb them and apparently knew that is not good. 949 seems hilarious with 4 unclaimed n1 kills, cocky dumb towniness I think. But, past tonally (which is the only reason I see you as town - this is mostly a mechanic scum read so
JJ particularly
I would like to comment on. 1153 and 1204 - you're now proven to have suicide bombed good town and *not* doggo, and survived. A night skip isn't necessarily pro town in a game like this with so many powerful town roles, I would say it is probably still pro town but not completely and a day action voider isn't townie either if we assume RC is town because town!RC cucks scum completely. 1129 also kinda feels posturing, I don't see why it is relevant and if it was its related to your role and you would have asked that in PM before using your role period I'd think. 1013 - who was "so wrong on Doggo"? he was not exactly a global townread. Not having any reads at all is weird, but I will grant it probably isn't too scummy because faking some random TR isn't exactly hard as scum. 1205 is bullshit I think, fuck off with some "super secret tell" that you didn't suicide bomb.
- NC I don't have a ton to say on. RC is confident here, and I have no reason to townread them at all. Dog defense is bad. 1302 - are u joking? "awful posts and bad reads doesn't equal scum"? I understand shit town is a thing, but acting like that isn't scum equity is asinine. 1384 - overall, I think your reads are worse than JJs now. Your scumread is Self Meta and your scum leans are Maki and RC? aka, your scumread is An NAI Lurker and your scumreads are My Strongest TRs. lol. 1436... Doggo as in Transcend or Doggo as in the hydra? ignoring that, I don't like that wifomy defense there in context. 1445 - what does this post mean? RC never said he had an irreversible read on you afaik. Inventor claim does nothing for my read.
Compile all of your RC points into one post
, and same with Maki. Even if you no longer scumread them (clarify if so), I want to know what led you to those reads. This is what I need out of your slot to change my current read that RC is probably right and you're probably scum.
