Team Mafia 2018: White Flag — Day Six

[Thestatusquo]

*from work.

[ActionDan]

Between 3169 and 3170 the only specific problem I have with it is the following paragraph

That just refers to the fact that we need to lynch 2 scum to win the game (in context it provided a nice contrast - 2 vs 1). I was worried about the exact situation that I think we find ourselves in now: Eddie's town, Marquis is scum and my credibility has been undermined by me joining the Eddiewagon.

He later jumps on the Eddie wagon with no real indication as to why the switch.

That's because my vote for Eddie essentially came down to me letting go of the more strategic approach and just voting with the goal of getting what I thought was a good lynch. It was prompted by me explaining my reads to Ranmaru and at that point I just felt that I was being somewhat condescending by trying to game the system in order to secure my preferred lynch (i.e. intentionally not joining the Eddiewagon when it was my natural inclination to do so in order to keep my credibility intact for a Marquislynch).

I don't really believe this. I don't remember you giving any indication ever that you felt Eddie was anything but scum D2 or precisely which of Marquis/Eddie was scummier. I'm pretty sure you just had them as both scum and done. I mentioned this before but what you say here is nothing close to the impression I got which was that Eddie was the easier lynch of the two to get at the time. Even if you were for whatever reason secretly harboring doubts of any sort it would have cost nothing to mention them.

I also took more of a look at the D3 from the 2015 game and I think the treatment of the gamma emerald read basically disappearing is just not something that would have happened in the other game if all things were equal as it seems you painted with a wider brush when it came to scum reads there (if not town reads) and were quite willing to explore them.

Otherwise I am more or satisfied with the rest of the post, but I find these two issues outstanding, and worthy of a vote regardless.

I'll be around until deadline so I think it'd probably be good for NSG to give what thoughts she wants since if that's not the NK I'd eat a hat. Davsto can also read up I suppose.

[LicketyQuickety]

Not much but with what's happening I can see reason to not hammer, info is being generated

I'd rather not risk a no lynch, honestly.

[ActionDan]

I really wish this day had been more a choice between Dunnstral / Marquis. Going through their recent iso's is depressing.

[LicketyQuickety]

I really wish this day had been more a choice between Dunnstral / Marquis. Going through their recent iso's is depressing.

IMO, you would need a lot more presents to push Dunn to the level that Dunn would be a major wagon. I get you probably don't have a lot of time to play, but as the saying goes, the squeaky wheel gets the oil.

[northsidegal]

hi, not sure if i have a ton of time to talk. there was a last point i wanted to talk about in the cogito ergo sum case that i felt would be better to wait on but i'm not sure how relevant typing it all out fully still is – basically, it was that none of ces' teammates seemed to care about this game despite town doing pretty bad in this game, both in general and as compared to how town did early in the games now completed. i also think fenchurch's reads that he gave (in 3235) seem pretty likely to be faked (and i'm trying to be objective here and not just say this given my pre-existing read here). they're really just a reflection of cogito ergo sum's own reads and while that on its own isn't necessarily a reason for them to be faked, i find it hard to believe that those people are the only ones that fen feels she could say something original about.

TSQ brought up the point that TSQ/CES doesn't make sense because he's the counterwagon to cogito ergo sum right now. i'd like to go back and look at how that wagon actually popped up to really get a better feel for the validity of this because on at face value it kind of makes sense (i'm scumreading both dunnstral and cogito ergo sum), but it runs contrary to a lot of things that i've noticed earlier in the game.

[Dunnstral]

I really wish this day had been more a choice between Dunnstral / Marquis. Going through their recent iso's is depressing.

VOTE: Marquis

Dan has the hammer. He's the deciding vote.

[Lycanfire]

Lol

[Lycanfire]

Phonepostan

Lq/3269 you later case Marquis as third scum. Do you think there was a bus going from day 1/ how do you feel about that CES comment in that exchange "at times I wavered [day 2]" and do you think that is more likely than Dan's push on Dunnstral being the endgame spoiler?

[Gamma Emerald]

someone give me a reason to not hammer now
I got aminute

[Lycanfire]

someone give me a reason to not hammer now
I got aminute

I dont actually care about lq answering and just wanted his answer on paper because I don't think anybody would ask for his gymnastics tomorrow.

Lynch Dan tomorrow, third scum is LQ, maybe Marquis.

[Ranmaru]

i would much rather be trying to figure out viable scumteams with you. it's just that i think you're pointed in the entirely wrong direction.

This is how I feel right now. I'm not sure I have much else to say.

[Ranmaru]

Shea-Quick-Gamma 2018

You just need two.

[Ranmaru]

NSG: The point about CES's team mates. I think that depends on the situation. Right now, the only team mate following my game is A50 at this time. Everyone, but me, died at night. (Or was already lynched) So, either checked out from boredom (from lack of involvement) or depression (for being lynched). Yet, I will say your point here is sort of fair, as I did try to get CES to have Singersigner comment and I didn't get a response. I know she prefers town like I do. That is why I wanted her feedback. So I do wonder why I've heard nothing from her.

[northsidegal]

by the way just in case there's any sort of ambiguity i was explicitly only referring to ces' teammates through what he's told us and within the context of this game only.

[Ranmaru]

Hey NSG can we talk a bit before day end?

[northsidegal]

sure, what would you like to talk about?

[Ranmaru]

Can you talk to me about who you think is scum upon CES town flip, and CES scum flip? I want Shea dead tomorrow if CES flips town today.

[Ranmaru]

Also, is there anything you'd like to talk about to me?

[Thestatusquo]

Can you talk to me about who you think is scum upon CES town flip, and CES scum flip? I want Shea dead tomorrow if CES flips town today.

Coincidentally, I want YOU dead tomorrow if he flips scum.

[northsidegal]

I think we should lynch Dunnstral and TSQ in some order after this flip pretty much no matter how ces flips, although if i'm alive tomorrow i'd definitely want to revisit this tsq wagon that popped up at the end here to take a closer look at that. Never lynch lycan, or davsto, or gamma i think. Really really sincerely doubt that dan is scum here as well.

pedit – nothing pressing comes to mind. i guess i'd ask that if you're still alive come tomorrow and i'm dead to at least focus on your tsq scumread moreso than the quick or gamma ones.

[northsidegal]

if cogito ergo sum flips scum then i still think just unambiguously lynch {TSQ/Dunnstral} though – just want to make that clear.

[Ranmaru]

If I'm alive I will focus entirely on Shea. Then Quick. I understand people really don't want Gamma. Therefore, I'll focus on those two.

[northsidegal]

hey @gamma please don't go to sleep or something without hammering.

[Thestatusquo]

hey @gamma please don't go to sleep or something without hammering.

both gamma and dan have promised to hammer at deadline.