Open 714: Tit for Tat [Game Over]

[Gamma Emerald]

I still feel more confident on Aneni but I guess I can understand this

[mutantdevle]

@mod; request prod on NSG

It's not been 48 hours for her yet.


She's currently at 4 votes and I think at least 2 of us have expressed interest in joining the wagon. So we have a potential L-1 here. I'm not entirely sure I'm too comfortable with that this early in day 1 but it's not going to stop me placing my vote if I don't like NSG's response.

[JaydragonKing]

I am basically left with Almost50, Jaydragon, Luca Blight and Mathdino. These are the four hardest reads.

Though, out of these, I'm more fine townreading Almost50.

Still you're gonna have to help me find scum between Jay and Luca.

i guess it's luca
jay should just be vigged, we're never getting a wagon on him unless it's policy
and doing that will just fuck up the VCA

tbh i dropped luca into town to try to distance my brain from the "SCREW YOU FOR 1V1ING ME" mindset
and because PoE created a scumpool of {NSG, Creature, Anen, mutant}
but yeah that no longer works

That feeling when your asked to be vigged over the scum because Dino REALLY wants me not to be in the equation for later.

[Luca Blight]

Beginning my catch-up (I'm looking after my son all day so this will take a while until I'm back to the present chat)

@Aneni (I can still call you this right) I answered 77 cos I didn't realize it was meant for one person
Also why is my suspicion of LB poop? I'm suspecting them (Luca what's your pronoun?) because I don't like how they're treating jmo's attempts to advance the gamestate

What's to say my push on jmo wasn't similarly intended to advance the gamestate?

It's actually not that uncommon for scum to challenge townreads on themselves. I will accept this if you can make a specific explanation for this case otherwise you should drop the read.
Thinking you're town tho

If he doesn't have a good explanation, will you be thinking he is likely scum then?

No
I think he's town either way cos he's townhunting

Just one of Gamma's many lazy reads.

In case it wasn't clear, I'm scumreading Gamma at this point.

I don't like this, feels deliberately obtuse
FOS: Luca Blight
Would vote but not sure of wagon status

What's the wagon status have to do with him being scum or not?

Are you scared to jump on a fresh wagon?

I'm concerned about accidentally hammering
but since you say it's fresh
VOTE: Luca Blight

Is he that out of touch with the game to think he would even be close to hammering me at this point?

I want to note I'm a bit skeptical of Anen's townread of me that seems to be based on meta, when not only I've said meta is not reliable in reading me but the meta in question is from years ago. Despite seemingly coming across as defensive thus far, I'm only challenging the completely nonsensical points against me; I would expect some suspicion on me based on how I've played so far.

Similarly I think Gamma's trying to pocket jmo.

[JaydragonKing]

Also, addressing the idea that I'm never getting lynched unless it's policy- Dino, I'm charismatic but I'm not sure my scum game is so good yet that I can convince an entire town I'm actually good without more then half the people still suspecting me.

How hard is it to admit I'm actually town this game? Too the point where you asked like three times for me to be the Vig target? Elsa Jay isn't going anywhere unless the Mafia decides to kill me, and even then, they still gotta deal with the enevitible Jailkeeper or Vigilante on me. I can really see either going for me, but not both at once. Heck, they may even be checking either my role or Dino's role, I'm 95% sure of that.

[Luca Blight]

Interesting how you choose to interpret it as

predatory

instead of genuinely trying to create information and attain a read on someone.

Perhaps you can detail why it's the former instead of the latter?

Because you're not trying to obtain a fair read?

You're quite clearly biased here as you're not even trying to consider my point of view. This comment is basically just echoing what Math has already said without adding anything new.

Btw, this is the sort of '

predatory'

question Math scumread me for - there is no good way to answer it.

[Luca Blight]

Oh, wrong topic
For that one it should have been clear he was glad RVS was over

This is such bollocks that it seems like you're deliberately missing the point.

jmo's reaction of feeling alternately happy and sad at being voted seemed fake.

Gamma and luca please don't blow up the thread thanks

Luca, people can push Gamma without you

Gamma, the luca case has already been made

There is a specific reason I need the thread to not blow up thanks

I really fucking hate this domineering playstyle btw. You accuse me of not being a team player, but you are actively telling others not to contribute so you can have your own way with how discussion goes. Fuck off.

[Almost50]

@1. Mathdino: Can you find it in your heart to have some faith in the PRs doing the right thing w/o you directing them?

@2. JaydragonKing: No worries, kid. You're not being shot over a few other slots.

@3. Almost50: You're being totally useless.

@4. Luca Blight: You're the 3rd highest poster, yet I don't seem to remember anything you said. Probably my bad though.

@5. northsidegal: I've recently checked a scum game of yours (Pick Your Power, was it?) and you seemed active enough.

@6. Creature: FINALLY you said something to convince me you're town. The problem with you is ... you know what it is.

@7. Pinturicchio: Literally, WHO?

@8. Aneninen: Your poop is all over the place. Clean it up!

@9. Gamma Emerald: I'm leaning Town on you, but don't count on "that thing" to get you TR'd whenever we meet again.

@10. TheGoldenParadox: I'd probably shoot you, if I were the Vig.

@11. jmo16mla: You need to make a stance on NSG, my friend. The sooner the better.

@12. mutantdevle: Stick around and you might find me even more amusing than you ever thought.

[northsidegal]

Wow, like 10 pages behind. Noticed someone mention a wagon on me?

[Luca Blight]

Like, the reason it pinged me is because he didn't take any meaningful stand - it was worthless appeasement to both parties, and awkwardly worded to boot.

Let's note, pin's new

New players can be scum as well.

You're not even considering the fact he could be scum, which in turn increases my suspicion of you.

I like Pin's suspicion of Gamma - light townread for that.

Paradox seems Townie based on tone.

Maths' 338 - Has NSG as scum when he previously had her as locktown. This can't really be passed off as a valid gambit because she has barely posted in between these changes. The fact he then discloses at the end that it's a reaction test not only defeats the point of said reaction test, it also seems like a cowardly cop-out - as though he can't be held accountable for that view because it was for reasons other than the ones given. Math is hiding this whole game behind these so-called gambits. Scumread re-affirmed.

He also mentions I have enough good town points, but never mentions what they were - this is significant because he later returns to his scumread on me without any specific reason for doing so.

[Luca Blight]

339 - NSG's vote on jmo was

'awful

', so Math's vote on jmo must have been even worse given it was itself based on NSG's vote? Or is Math immune from such inconsistencies? This entire post is actually completely useless.

Light scumread on Mutant just because he seems to be blending in without being particularly proactive. I remember easily townreading him in the other game we played, but it hasn't been the case here.

[northsidegal]

@5. northsidegal: I've recently checked a scum game of yours (Pick Your Power, was it?) and you seemed active enough.

not sure what you're trying to say here?

@math – from what i've gleamed from what luca's saying on this page you're scumreading me. explain that? (still haven't started catching up)

[northsidegal]

wow i hate people scumreading me when i get busy. check my activity across site, people.

[Gamma Emerald]

Beginning my catch-up (I'm looking after my son all day so this will take a while until I'm back to the present chat)

@Aneni (I can still call you this right) I answered 77 cos I didn't realize it was meant for one person
Also why is my suspicion of LB poop? I'm suspecting them (Luca what's your pronoun?) because I don't like how they're treating jmo's attempts to advance the gamestate

What's to say my push on jmo wasn't similarly intended to advance the gamestate?

Why wouldn't you say that at all before being pressed on it?

It's actually not that uncommon for scum to challenge townreads on themselves. I will accept this if you can make a specific explanation for this case otherwise you should drop the read.
Thinking you're town tho

If he doesn't have a good explanation, will you be thinking he is likely scum then?

No
I think he's town either way cos he's townhunting

Just one of Gamma's many lazy reads.

In case it wasn't clear, I'm scumreading Gamma at this point.

And what exactly is triggering that read? As for the read, how is it lazy? He's new and I think it's a fair read for a newbie.

I don't like this, feels deliberately obtuse
FOS: Luca Blight
Would vote but not sure of wagon status

What's the wagon status have to do with him being scum or not?

Are you scared to jump on a fresh wagon?

I'm concerned about accidentally hammering
but since you say it's fresh
VOTE: Luca Blight

Is he that out of touch with the game to think he would even be close to hammering me at this point?

I want to note I'm a bit skeptical of Anen's townread of me that seems to be based on meta, when not only I've said meta is not reliable in reading me but the meta in question is from years ago. Despite seemingly coming across as defensive thus far, I'm only challenging the completely nonsensical points against me; I would expect some suspicion on me based on how I've played so far.

Similarly I think Gamma's trying to pocket jmo.

Not out of touch, just a bit wary.
Also why did you bring up being defensive?

[Luca Blight]

346 is good - solid townread on Paradox.

Math's

'I can't remember my role pm'

line is just another tedious facet of his play.

357 - Did Paradox ever answer my question regarding his scumread of me? If he did, ignore this as I'll probably find it later.

389 - Terrible.

410 is bad from Mutant.

[Gamma Emerald]

Also, addressing the idea that I'm never getting lynched unless it's policy- Dino, I'm charismatic but I'm not sure my scum game is so good yet that I can convince an entire town I'm actually good without more then half the people still suspecting me.

How hard is it to admit I'm actually town this game? Too the point where you asked like three times for me to be the Vig target?

Elsa Jay isn't going anywhere unless the Mafia decides to kill me, and even then, they still gotta deal with the enevitible Jailkeeper or Vigilante on me.

I can really see either going for me, but not both at once. Heck, they may even be checking either my role or Dino's role, I'm 95% sure of that.

wtf does this mean?

[Gamma Emerald]

Interesting how you choose to interpret it as

predatory

instead of genuinely trying to create information and attain a read on someone.

Perhaps you can detail why it's the former instead of the latter?

Because you're not trying to obtain a fair read?

You're quite clearly biased here as you're not even trying to consider my point of view. This comment is basically just echoing what Math has already said without adding anything new.

Btw, this is the sort of '

predatory'

question Math scumread me for - there is no good way to answer it.

No? You can describe how what you're doing is fair. And I tried to rephrase because predatory was a pretty charged word and I felt it was clouding your opinion.

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh, wrong topic
For that one it should have been clear he was glad RVS was over

This is such bollocks that it seems like you're deliberately missing the point.

jmo's reaction of feeling alternately happy and sad at being voted seemed fake.

Alright that seems sensible, but I can see the reasoning and I think it was genuine.

[Gamma Emerald]

Like, the reason it pinged me is because he didn't take any meaningful stand - it was worthless appeasement to both parties, and awkwardly worded to boot.

Let's note, pin's new

New players can be scum as well.

You're not even considering the fact he could be scum, which in turn increases my suspicion of you.

I like Pin's suspicion of Gamma - light townread for that.

Paradox seems Townie based on tone.

Maths' 338 - Has NSG as scum when he previously had her as locktown. This can't really be passed off as a valid gambit because she has barely posted in between these changes. The fact he then discloses at the end that it's a reaction test not only defeats the point of said reaction test, it also seems like a cowardly cop-out - as though he can't be held accountable for that view because it was for reasons other than the ones given. Math is hiding this whole game behind these so-called gambits. Scumread re-affirmed.

He also mentions I have enough good town points, but never mentions what they were - this is significant because he later returns to his scumread on me without any specific reason for doing so.

Well I don't see reason to scumread him. I townread that early post and 172 I felt was actually quite fair.

[Luca Blight]

paradox is locktown
no scum thinks they could ever get a mislynch on me in this situation, knowing me, lol

you're falling for the "the last time i played with you, you were scum" trap
no harm done

i still haven't answered your inconsistency questions because this entire day has been one long-ass gambit

hype hype for the reveal

This is awful.

1) You already used the arrogant

'scum wouldn't try to mislynch me'

line to me earlier in the game, which means even if that were true then it opens itself to heavy wifom - scum know they can get towncred by voting you.

2)

'Don't mind my inconsistency - it's just me gambitting'.

Like I said, he's hiding behind this shit the entire day so far.

3)

'Pardox is locktown'. 'No harm done'.

Pocketing to a cringeworthy degree.

[TheGoldenParadox]

357 - Did Paradox ever answer my question regarding his scumread of me? If he did, ignore this as I'll probably find it later.

I'm sorry, I must have missed that. Can you reference me to that post?

[TheGoldenParadox]

HOT TAKE: I'm 99% dying tonight.

[Luca Blight]

357 - Did Paradox ever answer my question regarding his scumread of me? If he did, ignore this as I'll probably find it later.

I'm sorry, I must have missed that. Can you reference me to that post?

Yep - 359

[northsidegal]

Northsidegal's 29 is too nervous. What wagon? On Page2?

how is it "nervous"? also, what wagon? how about the one mathdino explicitly mentioned a few posts before that:

Caaaan I interest you in a NSG or Aneninen mini-wagon so your vote isn't doing nothing?

[northsidegal]

Going on.

The Mathdino-Northsidegal 101–102 was weird. Why those names? And what sort of answer was that?

"everyone there is null right now with the caveat that i'm pretty confident that the bottom two will be easy to sort as this day progresses."

what's your problem with that response?

Jmo16mla's 110

"Hey, at least we are getting someone to L-1 and we aren't stagnant anymore!"

– that's a terrible idea. Oh wait, it is a good idea for scum who want to rolefish.

it would only truly be rolefishing if someone declared intent to hammer, which i don't often see happen with early game wagons and anyone declaring intent on one would most likely be met with pretty quick unvotes / votes on them. with that in mind i think this accusation rings hollow.

Mutantdevle's 167:

"Btw, does anyone know if it's Anen's meta to lurk?"

Oh My Gods. A whole day or something like that without my posts. Terrible!

yeah, i know how that feels. seriously, is it so impossible to believe that i'd have reasons for not posting other than just "lol she's scum"?