Mini 2014: Succinct Mafia (Over)

[Wisdom]

yeah but i still dont see a point of conversation

i said how i feel about arc

[Kokichi Oma]

what do you mean? you fluffing is nai

but i agree, i cant really play like this either

If its NAI then why make that vote. You say yourself you think you can read me yet you didn't even try to sort me. Also you give no reason for your vote

[Wisdom]

because i didnt want to be voting hiraki anymore and you felt like a good vote

also i dont really think i can read you anymore

[Dunnstral]

So would people vote in deadline or no?

Momrangel, what does post 93 mean?

VOTE: Wisdom

Mmmm...

That's probably a bad vote but what do I know?

Also it means fits reads are bad which isn't entirely surprising but what is, is the fact that he is not really even hunting.

What do you think of the interaction between wiz/evee and then me/wis? Think any could be svs even this early on?

Also! Regarding deadline, not sure we should implement one here right off the bat. Due to the nature of this game it could lead us to a nolynch.


Let's all discuss?

Also just a few more posts till a new page I want to talk to wis and want to hear his thoughts on this

The deadline actually uses plurality rules, which means whoever has the most votes at deadline is lynched - so no nolynch

I don't like looking for svs interactions vs singular reads this early but I'll take a look at them
I think

[Dunnstral]

^that posted early

I think eevee has a lot of fluffy posts, these posts:

If i voted for someone it would probably be havingfitz cause his only post is a rvs with nothing really about it

Yeah this is a neat restriction though. Really makes people play differently when they cant get into a good 1v1 argument

strike me as trying to look like they're doing something - you asked me about an interaction with wisdom though, assuming around post 57, I don't think it makes them more likely svs or tvs or tvt, or at least it's dangerous to get caught up in reads like that IMO (Wisdom looks scummy here though)

so surprising
do you ever begin a game with me without voting me

If Wisdom is scum I'd be less inclined to think of you as mafia for this though

[TheFuzzylogic99]

Tommorow i should be able to post better posts...away from my main computer atm.

if we get to two weeks and we are getting nowhere than i prob will vote for a day limit. i dont want the game to meander and people loose interest.

Sorry for not posting more...still trying to figure things out.

[mastina]

@mod does the 24 he clock reset from game day or players first post from the day before

<<< I don't understand the question. You are allowed 4 posts on a page/24 hours, and 10 posts/24 hours. Night length is longer than 24 hours and thus by daystart post count has been reset. If this isn't answering your question, I need clarification. >>>

i dont like fitz
his scumleans are based on nai things

i like hiraki and arc
hiraki's articulated read on arc felt good even though I disagree
arc omgusing me is natural for town-her as she's a reactive person mainly based on emotions

<<< Wisdom is receiving a warning for the infraction of making more than 4 posts on a page in less than 24 hours. >>>

[Wisdom]

yay managed to fail already

[Hiraki]

I think he's asking if the 24 hour clock is fixed on midnight or if it's fixed on the actual post.

I'd think it's the actual post since there are differences in timezones.

[mastina]

I think he's asking if the 24 hour clock is fixed on midnight or if it's fixed on the actual post. I'd think it's the actual post since there are differences in timezones.

<<< Correct, actual post. >>>

[SirCakez]

I think Fitz is a solid vote after that post. Lots of bad scum reads for bad reasons, especially the Mom vote.
VOTE: Fitz
Eevee's uselessness is bothering me but I worry it's just their style to be so cautious and restrained.

[havingfitz]

i dont like fitz
his scumleans are based on nai things

What NAI things are my scumleans based on wrt you and Eevee?

Also...hypocrite much?

@Wis, wrt 82...do you ever say you're town when you're scum?

If fluffing is NAI why the Koki vote?

yes

Because it's a better vote than the one I had before

Also it means fits reads are bad which isn't entirely surprising but what is, is the fact that he is not really even hunting.

Nice little ad hom there. If you were any good at this game I would be offended.

My reads aren't bad until they are proven wrong...and why do you say I'm not scum hunting?
Are you? Your ISO says not.

[havingfitz]

Lots of bad scum reads for bad reasons, especially the Mom vote.

Explain.

[Wisdom]

What NAI things are my scumleans based on wrt you and Eevee?

These:

@Eevee, wrt 77...as much as you value your vote if you WERE to vote it would be me, the person who's possibly posted the least? You've no suspicions up to this point from what content there is from others?

@Wis, wrt 82...do you ever say you're town when you're scum? If fluffing is NAI why the Koki vote?

You having posted the least doesn't mean Eevee is not allowed to scumread you more than people who have posted more. This is no basis for a scumlean.

Me saying I am town is meaningless and thus nai. Me voting Kokichi can be for any number of reasons regardless of what I think of his fluff. This is no basis for a scumlean.

VOTE: fitz

dont post again, Wisdom, fourth post.

[LuckyOtter]

FTR I'm OK voting in a deadline eventually, but maybe not right away since we're all still figuring out how the mechanics will affect gameplay.

Early sl's: Mom, Eevee and Wis.

So basicallyyyyy

Scum is doing a hell of alot of unwarranted theatre game start. Got it!

The interactions among you three are minimal. Sure, they don't read very svs, but it's not impossible. More importantly, this is a really bad reason to try to discredit reads, it seems to me. Just because they don't all seem to work together doesn't mean that all the reads are bad.

That said, I don't like HF's vote on momrangal either. He bases it on an innocuous reaction and what I interpreted to be a RVS vote on wisdom. Meanwhile, he actually has a valid concern about Eevee--not the point about having a vote on the person who posted the least, but the point about not offering any other suspicions concerning other players. So HF, why is this less worthy of a vote than your vote based on momrangal's very first post?

[EeveeLution Army]

Hiraki did you ever say why arc v wisdom might be S v S?

[Hiraki]

Hiraki did you ever say why arc v wisdom might be S v S?

Mostly because I'm SRing both of them. SvS is a stretch due to the way Arc handled it but plausible.

[LuckyOtter]

@Eevee, wrt 77...as much as you value your vote if you WERE to vote it would be me, the person who's possibly posted the least? You've no suspicions up to this point from what content there is from others?

I just gave who id most likely vote for if i voted at that point in time

You missed the more important part of the question. Do you have any reads so far?

[SirCakez]

Lots of bad scum reads for bad reasons, especially the Mom vote.

Explain.

The mom scum read is for completely nai stuff.
The Eevee read as well. Wis scum read I didn't even see reasoning for

[EeveeLution Army]

Wait dunn are you saying im the only one with fluffy posts? (Also your first example isn't really fluffy?_?)

[LuckyOtter]

Y'all. Can we get some more votes on Eevee please?

Eevee, my last post was directed at you.

[EeveeLution Army]

I saw that it was but most people are neutral to me. Its why im trying to get more interactions with certain people

[Pine]

you.

Why?

[Pine]

Y'all. Can we get some more votes on Eevee please?

Eevee, my last post was directed at you.

Why?

Not sure why the quote fucked up there.

[LuckyOtter]

Here's why:

- early posts: Does more defending of not voting in RVS than doing something else to advance discussion.
- the exception is post 59, where Eevee calls Wisdom's post 58 contradictory. But this doesn't go anywhere.
- says if pressed to vote they would vote HF "cause his only post is a rvs with nothing really about it". So why HF and not, say, FuzzyLogic who had not contributed anything by this point either? And more importantly, why not do a little more questioning of people to get some information in order to be able to place a good vote, if that's the concern?
- So HF asks Eevee to provide some reads, and that is ignored.
- I point this out, and it is ignored again.
- When pressed, Eevee says they're "trying to get more interactions with certain people," but the only interactions I can see are the short interaction with Wisdom early on, a clarification question to Hiraki (115), and a mostly defensive question to Dunn (119).

So, several posts with very little substance. When there is questioning, it's pretty soft. I read all of this as scum trying not to make waves rather than a careful townie.