Infernal Affairs - Game Over!

[Firebringer]

like this is oddly specific, no? Why is it 2 and not 1?

Why is it not all 3?

Well other than the fact that Fire's not on the wagon and he can't say he's bussing.

Speaking of oddly specific.

nero not wrong that there is probably at least 4 scum in this game. That is also another reason why 2 scum have to be on that wagon imo.

Like could be just one but highly doubt it.

[Firebringer]

Dragons is definitely looking pretty sus today

how is someone looking bad when they haven't been on?

didn't u just accuse me of lurking and not posting like 5 minutes ago

[Firebringer]

the only time I was worried about you being mafia is when I was pushing Fire d1 and TR was defending Fire and you kinda got in the way and it made me worried that you were trying to distract and divert attention but not everyone can be scum and AD + fire + TR just makes the most sense to me.

Okay I need receipts. Where was TR defending me

[Firebringer]

tejate is town!!!

VOTE: momo you don't get to do nothing game related and vote me... nahhh

I support this vote in spirit.
Gotta be more scummy and not actually vote just for Nero

[Firebringer]

VOTE: Tejate

Giving support for this. As promised, I'll support hellbooks (and Magik) votes.

Hey toog the two people u support to vote are my hard non yeet pool right now.
Want to give this idiot a breakdown of what I missed.
Magik/Frog didn't look scum at all.

[Not_Mafia]

Why is that scummy?

hey not mafia i love u but are u gonna tell us anything uve done is townie here

No but is it scummy?

[Firebringer]

Why is that scummy?

hey not mafia i love u but are u gonna tell us anything uve done is townie here

No but is it scummy?

frankly nothing uve done is anything. But if i was a betting man i would say scum u and scorpius planned to end day early and used the fact ur a meme hammer to get away with it

[Tejate Raichu]

I still say that I haven't really seen anything AI from Not_Mafia but if you guys really want to policy that badly maybe we should just let a vig handle it. There's most likely more than one give the death count.

[Firebringer]

i don't want to policy not mafia
i don't really do policy on people

i think given the circumstances not mafia has good chance of being a scum who was bussing.

[Tejate Raichu]

Hmm, alright. If it's not policy then I guess that's different. Regardless a N_M wagon doesn't sound very exciting to me right now with how I'm reading the slot. I'm not opposed, but it's not really my first choice, especially not if we have even one vigilante left alive.

By the way,

@mod

can we get a VC please?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Official Vote Count

Tejate Raichu

(3): Nero Cain, hellbooks, Toogeloo

Andante

(1): momo

MagikHorse

(1): The Keeper

momo

(1): Andante

Nero Cain

(1): Tejate Raichu

Not Voting

(6): MagikHorse, Save The Dragons, Scorpious, Galron, Not_Mafia, Firebringer

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate

Deadline

: (expired on 2022-03-09 05:00:00)

[Firebringer]

hey VOTE: Save the Dragons
where is the theme song
and where u at

[Galron]

VOTE: Tejate

[MagikHorse]

859 I get that the large amount of kills is a bit worrying, but I don't see anywhere to go from the ground that wouldn't amount to simple guessing at this time. Forcing it won't help anyone.

865 I don't think calling it a "scum stall" as you bolded in this post is TMI, it felt kinda obvious to me too that he was trying to buy himself time too. It does look bad that Andante was effectively shouting to look elsewhere though, with the sole saving grace being that it was before the promised and infamous Magik case, which I can buy wanting to see. Galron was also asking people to back off the wagon in 850 too at the end of Day 1, now that I think about it.

880/888/891 I can sort of see both sides here, but not so equally. It feels a bit unlikely for Tejate to bus and then rail into Frog like this with another supposedly town wagon available, until I realize that Tejate was the biggest wagon (with 4 votes as of the votecount in 554) before the votes on Frog started to pile up. Tejate's push against Frog seemed rather legitimate from my eyes however, and the only world where I buy this "intentional bus" is one where Tejate is a Mafia PR that's getting scared or if the next biggest option (Galron) is also scum. The rest of the time Tejate's just town.

897 is basically that same defense.

898 isn't really OMGUS, OMGUS usually implies that there's no other real reasons to be voting besides lashing back. I don't like either Nero or Keeper belittling that vote.

900 and 901 are still aggressive, but they're not really AI in hindsight.

906 is just dumb. This notation isn't exactly uncommon. Heck, I've thrown it around before in this game already, and Frogster used it a couple times too.

919 perfectly describes my thoughts on Nero's solve. Nothing at all is preventing Toog from being scum there instead of Tejate in this POE, why is he writing off the possibility?

tl;dr I really don't buy into Nero's case here at all. It feels too much like Frog's case against me, working backwards from the solution instead of asking the questions.


Now, into the pile with these other responses not based solely around this argument between Nero and Tejate.
875
Yeah, I'm kind of surprised to be alive too. Not sure exactly what it means just yet, but I have a few hunches I'll hold close to my chest.

886
You think I'm scum after that Frogster push? Are you paying any sort of attention?

988 is actually interesting. Will actually poke around there in a little while, I need to rest after reading that much.

[MagikHorse]

Shoot, I edited the number in the preview but it didn't fix the post link. I meant to link to 988, not 998 in the final line.

[Tejate Raichu]

VOTE: Tejate

So did you actually read day 2 or is this still your "day 1" read?

[Nero Cain]

nero not wrong that there is probably at least 4 scum in this game. That is also another reason why 2 scum have to be on that wagon imo.

Fire still TMIing

[Nero Cain]

so magik is basically sheeping all of TR's talking points.

Who do you actually think is scum at this point?

This game is just a waiting game at this point. NM already said he'd hammer TR so we just gotta wait for momo to stop voting the other scum and come over here and keeper to get out of their bad tunnel, IMO.

[Tejate Raichu]

N_M said he would hammer either one of us. Because that's what he does. Why are you acting like this is some big brain town play to hammer me from N_M when this is how he normally plays?

Also good job discrediting an entire wall of responses that doesn't even completely align with my opinions with a one liner.

And don't get so cocky about getting me out, we still have plenty of time for things to sort themselves out. So please stop talking as if this is something that's been decided, because it's really not. 5 players have yet to cast their votes and several have yet to consolidate theirs. I fully intend to send you to the pits of Tartaurus this game day.

Finally, a question: do you really intend to keep going with your solve on a townflip from me? You're really just gonna go straight to Toog like nothing weird happened today at all? Is that actually your plan?

[Nero Cain]

see...you're not going to flip town.

[Tejate Raichu]

You're really good at not subtly avoiding important questions, anyone ever told you that?

[Nero Cain]

I don't think you are asking anything important. I mean your thing about NM is just ???? word salady

[Nero Cain]

like you are E-3, NM said he'd hammer you if you get 2 more votes. "Why r u acting like its a big brain play?" WTF is that even? Its like you are posting for the sake of posting

[Tejate Raichu]

Perhaps it's a waste of time to bother trying to get anything more out of you given your apparently high evasion state. I'll ask a question for some others then.

@Firebringer, MagikHorse, Scorpious, Save the Dragons

Is there anything stopping you from voting Nero right now?

[Nero Cain]

the only time I was worried about you being mafia is when I was pushing Fire d1 and TR was defending Fire and you kinda got in the way and it made me worried that you were trying to distract and divert attention but not everyone can be scum and AD + fire + TR just makes the most sense to me.

Okay I need receipts. Where was TR defending me

Nah, not interested in chucking out Fire. We'll see his loyalties in good time. Don't know much about Toog short of the fact that he never rolls scum, so I'm fine with sorting him out later.

I'm not prepared to call Magik Townie McTownerson yet, but so far I think it would be in our best interest to give him a day 1 pass (stolen from morph the cat). Maybe a day 2 pass.

I strongly believe that Tej's "magic pass" is based solely on him not scumreading Fire.

Well, for one, his general attitude is constructive for creating actual game content to discuss.

I also think the reasoning given is sorta poor.

I mean MAAAAYYYYBBBEEEE it's just an awful coincidence but Magic saying they won't vote Fire and 3 mins later Tej comes barging in and wanting to give a pass to someone town reading his buddy is suspicious to me.

Nero, I don't mind gimmicks, but Keeper has really had a lot of nothing posts. Is there any real reason to go to bat for them right now? You're drawing an associative between Fire and Keeper based on the reason for voting, but do you see anything scummy about Fire or town about Keeper individually? Like, at all?

I'm more curious what on God's beautiful green earth makes you confident enough in Keeper being a limbait townie that Fire is pushing to the point where you're going to bat for them this hard right after Fire pushed them. You can say that you're more scumreading Fire than defending Keeper, but that doesn't really explain the timing being just perfect.

Okay, let me restate. Nero voted for Fire at the point of the thread where actual pressure is starting to build on Keeper. Nero then defends Keeper by stating that Keeper intended to essentially active lurk and do nothing productive all game which... doesn't make Fire's reason for voting not valid? And then plays it off by saying they already scumread Fire earlier in the thread.

here he's chainsaw defending on behalf of Fire

Also we are more than 1k posts in and he's STILL null reading Fire.