Open 556: Fire and Ice (Over)

[Randomnamechange]

VOTE: moonlight
A draw is better than a loss.

[Moonlight]

Waiting for Llama to call it so I can start my post game ranting / self-deprecating / discussion with Baezu and stuff.

In case anyone has any doubts, I am indeed the last VT, the game's over.

[Randomnamechange]

IMO, every side played terribly.

[idk]

Waiting for Llama to call it so I can start my post game ranting / self-deprecating / discussion with Baezu and stuff.

In case anyone has any doubts, I am indeed the last VT, the game's over.

Oh. To be honest, I thought you were playing some weird gambit and you actually were scum.

[Moonlight]

So you totally missed midget's 1065? He wondered if I'm telling the truth, and if he was the last VT he'd know I was lying my ass off.

[Randomnamechange]

Luckily glidder decided not to go with my insane gambit which was to look very scum, selftarget in the hope the other scum team shoots me as obv scum before realizing im town as no team would be stupid enough to shoot themselves and if we played it right could win.

[LlamaFluff]

Vote Count

Moonlight (2) - idk, randomidget
No Lynch (1) - Moonlight

[LlamaFluff]

Moonlight - Vanilla Town - Lynched Day Five

randomidget - Fire Mafia Goon

and

idk - Ice Mafia Goon

Have drawn.

How anticlimactic

[Mr Glidder]

This game deserved no other fate than a draw. Literally no player, town or scum, had any idea who the scum were. No scum were killed until the night where it was basically impossible not to do so.

[reinoe]

This game deserved no other fate than a draw. Literally no player, town or scum, had any idea who the scum were. No scum were killed until the night where it was basically impossible not to do so.

Well I had two scum nailed but I don't think I would have been convined on Ikd and mr. glidder.

Shocked that moonlight was town, cuz he was actually getting scummier each day.

So....

Not_Mafia, The_Ascended, and Borophil were all killed for being too town I take it?

[Moonlight]

Hmm, how do I start this?

I guess I'll mention each player and what I have to say to them.

@reinoe:

I'm sorry for being unable to see how you could be Town. It wasn't because of your play, it was because of Zeph. I'm a guy that plays to win, so I have difficulty seeing Town motivation behind someone who clearly doesn't care (it's the only explanation I've got for Zeph calling me useless for questioning his lack of voting for his scumreads). You seem like a good player and you know your stuff, just go easy on the tunneling I suppose. =P

@Baezu:

There was such a... "disconnect" between your D1 and D2 play. How come? Why didn't you elaborate on your reaction to my first D2 post? You said you didn't like it, but you never said what felt wrong about it! That, along with your sudden sheeping of me with your second post made me so confused about you. I was about to "self-correct" my tunneling, but unfortunately I couldn't in the end, sorry. =/

@BoroPhil:

How did you think I was scum near the end of D2? You've experienced my scum play, it's nothing like how I played in this one.

@The_Ascended:

Not much to say, you both looked pretty damn Town to me. I'd welcome your advice, this game made me even more aware of a big flaw I have: I need someone to keep me on track. Or, I need to learn how to self-correct my course.

@Tricks:

I'm sorry I couldn't win it, buddy. I fucked up, shit happens, I'll learn from it and get better. I hope you're feeling better and that next time I scumread you, you won't go down without a better fight!

@NM:

I wish you made it to D2 alive, something tells me you'd manage to put me back on the right track. >_<

@NS and Rach:

You were both unlucky to replace into slots that got killed as soon as you joined. In hindsight, I should have paid more attention to your plays and how they contradicted my scumread on you both. Looking forward to playing more with you.

@scum:

Well played... and at the same time, not really (when it came to NKs). xD You did fantastic in the sense that you let Town destroy itself (well, let

me

destroy it anyway) without getting yourselves too involved. midget and Finglove looked so Town to me on D2 that I didn't bother to re-examine my reads on them (had my hands full with what to make of reinoe). idk and Glidder made some posts I really disliked, but they also convinced me they're Town on D2 as well, so kudos. I managed to create a townblock with all 4 of them in it.

Big thanks to Llama for saving this game from bad moderating.

[BoroPhil]

midget played excellently. I wouldn't have pegged him as scum in a million years.

tricky was awful, I don't think anyone can be blamed for lynching him.

NM and Ascended looked town and were town.

Idk looked scummy, had we lynched him instead of baezu we might have had a chance.

worst town performance ever?

[reinoe]

midget played excellently. I wouldn't have pegged him as scum in a million years.

tricky was awful, I don't think anyone can be blamed for lynching him.

NM and Ascended looked town and were town.

Idk looked scummy, had we lynched him instead of baezu we might have had a chance.

worst town performance ever?

You, NM, and Ascended looked too townie to keep alive in my book.

I'm shocked moonlight was town. That's all I'll say about that. A draw is better than a loss. I did have 3/4 of the scum team pegged though. I wouldn't have gotten idk though.

[RachMarie]

I am not surprised Moon was town, and had I stayed in the game I would have been pushing idk as scum.

Still interesting game and thanks to Llama for modding

[BoroPhil]

What made me doubt you Moon was the whole 'I am town, I am town' stuff

[Moonlight]

Goes to show it's not a tell. reinoe also did something similar by suggesting that the mod rules treat him differently to randomidget, and he was Town too. =/

[Not_Mafia]

Thanks to Llama for hosting, this was probably the right outcome. Any chance to see scum QTs?

[Moonlight]

I welcome any criticism and advice from anyone, by the way. What I seem to need to work on when it comes to Town play is to re-focus my attention and not tunnel. So far, I've been lucky in the sense that there has always been someone that puts me on the right track (Nacho on both games I've played with him, AngryPidgeon too). I realize that I depend too heavily on that, and that can't always be there.

Maybe that's the way it's supposed to be, it's a team game after all. I just wish I could find a way to be more independent and still perform. >_<

PEdit: I second that QT request.

[Nobody Special]

Moonlight, if it makes you feel any better, I thought you were so town that I protected you the only night I was here.

[BoroPhil]

Goes to show it's not a tell. reinoe also did something similar by suggesting that the mod rules treat him differently to randomidget, and he was Town too. =/

not a tell for you perhaps

tbf I still had you pegged as town, though I'd have probably come out firing for you on D3 simply because I was just going to flip my reads around as I'd got it so wrong on Tricky and Baezu

[BoroPhil]

I assume there wasn't a dead thread btw? I did ask llama but he didn't reply.

[reinoe]

I assume there wasn't a dead thread btw? I did ask llama but he didn't reply.

No, I thought there was. I wanted to see what people had to say about my challenge to moonlight via 1v1.

[RachMarie]

No there was not I asked too

[idk]

If anyone was at fault for this being a draw, it would be me. Night 3 Finglove said he wanted to NK either Glidder or reinoe, and I said reinoe. If we had gone after Glidder instead, this game might've resulted in an Ice victory! Sorry. :/

We went after The_Ascended N1 since they were town-looking, but had minor scum-reads on at least one of us (I think it was me, I forget), Boro N2 since we thought you were scum, and if not, we still be ridding us of a town player who had a scumread on us, reinoe N3 because we thought he was scum, and Glidder N4 because we thought he was scum.

So you totally missed midget's 1065? He wondered if I'm telling the truth, and if he was the last VT he'd know I was lying my ass off.

Yup. Damn.

If I had voted rm instead of you, would you have lynched him, or would you still have advocated the No Lynch?

[Paschendale]

Well, I had a lot of fun in the short amount of time I was playing this game. :p