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do you see what I'm saying though about how I don't think it's likely the second head starts playing without even checking what the other head is doing? I feel a scum!hydra would be more careful than to do thatIn post 957, implosion wrote:I pretty strongly disagree with GL+whoever else said that goats's hydra dissonance is townie. I think it's very possible the 2nd head saw they were scum, said "well fuck that i don't feel like playing the game" then 4 days later was like "well i have some time i guess i can pop in and see what's up" or etc. With that said I have mixed feelings about the 2nd heads actual posting.
p-edit: mmm that's a fair point. I've been mainly thinking about their read on me 180ing but I guess I could see the heads communicating a basic "push Dwlee other than that I don't care what you do" type of plan."I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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I do agree with this, I don't really think N_M is as unreadable as he's often meme'd to be and there's been no re-evaluating or participating at all from him here as soon as the game got denseIn post 957, implosion wrote:I think N_M falling off in posting is, potentially, actually scummy. From how I'm 2ndhand interpreting how to read him based on some offhand things PenguinPower said in another game I think his trajectory can quite easily be scum. Game dynamics make him feel like a better elimination than Flea right now. They both kind of feel like "this slot will never truly be all that readable" votes but, my understanding of the modern world is that it is actually possible to townread N_M. And if it is possible to do so, then this game is distinctly not something where it's really justifiable to do so right now.
@Gamma am I allowed to reverse on my D1 townread and vote N_M or no"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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Here's a link to what I'm talking about with me being accused of OMGUSI prefer they, thanks :)-
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I literally asked about in the post that prompted that :/In post 1071, GuiltyLion wrote:
what's your read on MURDERCAT?In post 870, Flea The Magician wrote:Pooky is doing pooky things, cautious town for now.<Embrace The Void>
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whoops I meant to include that and just snip the quoted posts above, bc fae was dodging giving a read on MC. The fact that there's no engagement with Pooky's MC deathtunnel given a townread on Pooky is suspicious
I was planning to say more about that in a minute and case Flea proper once I was done catching up"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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It's context dependent but my view is that not voting your counterwagon is scummy more often than not - it's always better to flip somebody else over yourself and I think players who townread their CW to the point of avoiding voting it are either afraid of looking too survivalist or afraid of looking bad when their CW flips if it's townIn post 1019, Datisi wrote:yeah, two leading wagons at pressure refusing to vote one another
i was thinking how dwlee is town because they're not voting flea (and said they don't want to) when fae seems like the most likely counterwagon, then i wanted to vote flea, then i was like, wait if flea doesn't wanna vote dwlee who is faer most likely counterwagon, shouldn't i by the same logic be townreading fae but *then* i was like hang on a second, what would the dragon do here
that said I think we're like juuust far enough away from deadline or either wagon being close enough to elimination that I don't think it necessarily applies here"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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actually you know what
I was maybe halfway through laying out reasons to lim Flea today - the main ones being no initiative to engage with Pooky's push on MC indicating no incentive/drive to sort MC, the weird mixture of acknowledging a lack of engagement but effectively OMGUSing slots that are voting faer, and no use of vote or engagement with any of the main wagons of the game
but then as I was re-ISOing I was trying to think about 803 and that post really strikes me as genuine here
Given personal experiences with loved ones with PTSD I can see a lot of faer play making much more sense if their health/state has really been in that condition and I don't think scum would use it to excuse lurky/disengaged play
so I think I just need to reset completely on that read because I got major cold feet as I was writing up the case
you know how like once you start actually trying to write down your reasoning and then you're like wait am I just wrong and full of [Cyrus]
UNVOTE:"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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I don't wanna vote Dwlee I still think he's town, he doesn't feel like caught scum
I still think MC meta holds up
bleghhh I wanna vote like N_M or Klick? who's townreading Klick and why?
I wanna look at who's not really substantially engaging at all with the whole MC/Dwlee dynamic"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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VOTE: Not_Mafia
sorry Gamma I'm voting my D1 townread"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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By talking about it it’s out there that you’re not really still believing in it, so you do you manIn post 1080, GuiltyLion wrote:@Gamma am I allowed to reverse on my D1 townread and vote N_M or no<Embrace The Void>
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That’s because I didn’t get why you directed that at me, I’m not actively pushing youIn post 1086, Dwlee99 wrote:I said gamma's name and he didn't respond wtf<Embrace The Void>
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mm, i feel like you might be putting too much stock in what sort of seems to be to be a fundamentally weak meta read. if murdercat's pattern of behavior here is replicated across many scum games but only the amount of content posted in one post differs, that seems to me to be sort of a poorly founded reason for a town read.In post 1090, GuiltyLion wrote:I still think MC meta holds up-
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You're shading me thoughIn post 1093, Gamma Emerald wrote:
That’s because I didn’t get why you directed that at me, I’m not actively pushing youIn post 1086, Dwlee99 wrote:I said gamma's name and he didn't respond wtfI prefer they, thanks :)-
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I am considering this, but it's also a trust of Infinity's read there as well to a degree, she initially called it out. And I don't think they're S-S.In post 1094, northsidegal wrote:
mm, i feel like you might be putting too much stock in what sort of seems to be to be a fundamentally weak meta read. if murdercat's pattern of behavior here is replicated across many scum games but only the amount of content posted in one post differs, that seems to me to be sort of a poorly founded reason for a town read.In post 1090, GuiltyLion wrote:I still think MC meta holds up
Also, can you elaborate more on your stance on limming MURDERCAT today? You don't seem to townread him but you're voting the CW"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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i want to finish fully catching up (really i think i'm only missing like 3 pages, but still) and then maybe even do another quick skim through before really deciding on where i want to go. i feel like i was starting to get confbiased when i last left off my read and i want another look with fresh eyes. i realize that today i basically did nothing to contribute to that, but i've been a bit busy.
i think flea is a pretty effective spot for my vote right now. speaking of, just so you don't miss it, i'd appreciate an answer to 1050, flea – you've talked a lot about the reasons or lackthereof of the people voting you, but i'm not sure i've really seen your conclusions from that.-
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Nah, I don't really agree. At least I don't find it particularly less likely than the same thing from a town hydra. I think the refusal to talk to the other head is probably more of a "hastily planned hydra" tell than an alignment tell.GL wrote:do you see what I'm saying though about how I don't think it's likely the second head starts playing without even checking what the other head is doing? I feel a scum!hydra would be more careful than to do that
strongly this.GL wrote:I don't wanna vote Dwlee I still think he's town, he doesn't feel like caught scum
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