Mini 1697 - a Re-balanced Game of Mafia - GAME OVER

[pistachi0n]

I'm leaning davesaz

VOTE: Davesaz

[ActionDan]

TheDominator37 is being force replaced as his account is currently banned

[ActionDan]

Official Vote Count

davesaz

(3): Netherspite, Alchemist21, pistachi0n

All Alone

(1): Thesp

Alchemist21

(1): TheDominator37

Netherspite

(1): RadiantCowbells

Thesp

(1): All Alone

Not Voting

(2): Ankamius, davesaz

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2015-08-27 14:20:00)

[Thesp]

@Thesp

What is your case on

All Alone

? I don't see why people scumread him.

A lurksack (especially near the end of yesterday's flurry, when both vote leaders were town) who hasn't given off a town vibe and whose response here was scummy as all get out. Is there anything he's done that makes you think he's town? What's your stance on him?

Yesterday's flurry started with NotMafia replacing Persivul in 1038, and ended with RC's hammer in 1069. I pretty clearly wasn't online during that window, and I don't believe that you genuinely think I was.

Yesterday's flurry started a day before that, and your entire contribution for that entire last

week

was incredibly paltry, served the purpose of maintaining the doldrums of a status quo while the two primary wagons were on townies, and then you got defensive about it saying you were actually being productive. You continue to avoid meaningful discussion of any player other than myself while there's plenty going on. This is textbook scum play. I'm having a hard time imagining a reality where you're town.

I'm happy to see the davesaz wagon grow like it has, and if needed today I'll switch my vote there for a lynch, but would like to see All Alone go tomorrow if it doesn't happen today.

[davesaz]

You're headed for a possible perfect scum win if you continue this direction.
IIRC, tomorrow is LYLO if you mislynch me and the doc doesn't get lucky.
I can't determine scum from what we have because there are lazy town voting me instead of thinking.

[davesaz]

@MOD, V/LA until Sunday late afternoon.

Going camping and no internet on the mountain.

[Netherspite]

You're headed for a possible perfect scum win if you continue this direction.
IIRC, tomorrow is LYLO if you mislynch me and the doc doesn't get lucky.
I can't determine scum from what we have because there are lazy town voting me instead of thinking.

Okay but what did not allow you to determine scum during D1 and D2 when 'lazy town' wasn't voting you?

[Ankamius]

The weird feelings I get from davesaz's posts are paling in comparison to the alarm bells ringing in my head at the wagon on him.

[pistachi0n]

How so? I could go back and verify it but all of us who are voting him expressed suspicion of him yesterday.

[RadiantCowbells]

In fact

VOTE: Pistachion

I keep getting scumvibes from Nether but I still get the feeling he's going to end up flipping town.

1108 was terrible and I think this was the worst vote on a wagon dripping with scumminess.

[RadiantCowbells]

I really don't like the Daves wagon, but I also really don't like the way Ankamius commented on it but did nothing about it.

[All Alone]

Yesterday's flurry started a day before that, and your entire contribution for that entire last

week

was incredibly paltry, served the purpose of maintaining the doldrums of a status quo while the two primary wagons were on townies, and then you got defensive about it saying you were actually being productive. You continue to avoid meaningful discussion of any player other than myself while there's plenty going on. This is textbook scum play. I'm having a hard time imagining a reality where you're town.

Thesp can't even keep his own rhetoric straight:

the doldrums of a status quo

there's plenty going on

How the heck can someone genuinely believe there was plenty going on yesterday, but also there was a doldrums?

Those are literally exact opposites.

That's not an authentic belief, it's the mindset of someone who's playing mental gymnastics to make a player they know is town look as bad as possible.

Thesp has also been playing this whole game for his own survival.

Day 1, eventi voted Thesp, and Thesp pushed the eventi wagon to a lynch. Day 2, Persivul voted Thesp, and Thesp pushed the Persivul wagon to a lynch. And now D3 he's hard pushing me, and soft pushing davesaz - the other two unconfirmed players on his wagon yesterday. It's

incredibly

unlikely for a townie to push lynches on every single player who attacks him the way Thesp has.

pistachi0n is probably scum as well. The way she called Thesp town for RQSing, and then insisted he was town even after I pointed out it wasn't a towntell, seemed more like she was trying to get towncred for Thesp than a legitimate read.

Pistachio town game:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=62219

Pistachio made RVS vote then changed it 4 times D1.

Pistachio scum game:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=62222

Pistachio made RVS vote, never changed it.

This game: made RVS vote, changed it once to eventi.

So, her D1 voting pattern was much closer to her scum game than her town game.

This is a good point as well. I looked at a bunch of her town games and

she's pretty consistently vote-hoppy on D1 when she's town

, and I don't see a convincing reason for her to have played differently in this game.

I'm fine with either of those lynches.

[All Alone]

VOTE: pistachi0n

[Netherspite]

While all of this looks pretty convincing I don't get why you choose

pistachi0n

over

Thesp

if you seem to be having more arguments against

Thesp

? Or did I get it wrong?

[All Alone]

While all of this looks pretty convincing I don't get why you choose

pistachi0n

over

Thesp

if you seem to be having more arguments against

Thesp

? Or did I get it wrong?

The meta evidence against pistachi0n is actually pretty big.

Newbie 1592, she was town, and voted three times on day 1 (240 posts)
Newbie 1603, she was town, and voted seven times on day 1 (411 posts)
Micro 489, she was town, and voted five times on day 1 (366 posts)
Open 600, she was town, and voted four times on day 1 (313 posts)
Open 601, she was town, and voted five times on day 1 (635 posts)
Micro 487, she was town, and voted two times on day 1 (220 posts)
Open 602, she was town, and voted four times on day 1 (503 posts)

Micro 485, she was scum, and voted one time on day 1 (447 posts)

(I'm not counting Open 599 in the statistics, since that game's D1 was 29 posts)

Basically, pistachi0n tends to vote-hop roughly once every hundred posts D1 as town, while as scum, she's much more shy about vote-hopping. And in this game, D1 was 625 posts, and she voted

twice

. That's a pretty significant departure from her town meta.

[Alchemist21]

I'm still sure that RC and Nether are Town. Dom is cop cleared. I know I'm Town. That's 4/9 players I'm not worrying about now.

If I'm correct about RC and Nether, then the scumteam is within the remaining 5:

Dave, Thesp, Ank, Pistachion, All Alone

If tomorrow is Lylo if we lynch Town today, then I don't expect scum would have voted each other yet this Day (it's an assumption I'm willing to work with). In that case, we can probably rule out Pistachion being scum with Dave and All Alone. We can also rule out Thesp with All Alone.

Pistachion can't be scum with Dave and All Alone.

All Alone can't be scum with Pistachion and Thesp.

Possible Teams:

Dave/All Alone/Ank
Dave/Thesp/Ank
Pistachion/Ank/Thesp

If I'm correct in my assumptions, then Ank is a certainty, and then Dave and Thesp flips should solve the game, because if they're not both scum, then a Townflip from either gives us the scumteam.

VOTE: Ankamius

[pistachi0n]

You seem a little too confident in your assumption that Ank is a certainty. You don't think there's any way one scum has voted for another? What if it goes through and Ank flips town?

[Alchemist21]

There's always that chance, but I think it's pretty low.

[RadiantCowbells]

While all of this looks pretty convincing I don't get why you choose

pistachi0n

over

Thesp

if you seem to be having more arguments against

Thesp

? Or did I get it wrong?

The meta evidence against pistachi0n is actually pretty big.

Newbie 1592, she was town, and voted three times on day 1 (240 posts)
Newbie 1603, she was town, and voted seven times on day 1 (411 posts)
Micro 489, she was town, and voted five times on day 1 (366 posts)
Open 600, she was town, and voted four times on day 1 (313 posts)
Open 601, she was town, and voted five times on day 1 (635 posts)
Micro 487, she was town, and voted two times on day 1 (220 posts)
Open 602, she was town, and voted four times on day 1 (503 posts)

Micro 485, she was scum, and voted one time on day 1 (447 posts)

(I'm not counting Open 599 in the statistics, since that game's D1 was 29 posts)

Basically, pistachi0n tends to vote-hop roughly once every hundred posts D1 as town, while as scum, she's much more shy about vote-hopping. And in this game, D1 was 625 posts, and she voted

twice

. That's a pretty significant departure from her town meta.

Whoa, what's all this now?

[Ankamius]

Alch, what happens if you get me lynched and I flip town?

[Alchemist21]

Then I'd have to re-evaluate everything, which I'd have to do in LyLo anyway.

I think it's somewhat telling that people are asking me "what happens if Ank flips Town?" and not "Why are you so sure about Nether and RC?" It feel like an attempt to scare me away from my Ank vote.

[Netherspite]

VOTE: Ankamius

I don't like your response to

Alchemist

's vote.

[RadiantCowbells]

AA, what led to you counting up Pistachion's D1 votes?

[Ankamius]

Alchemist, I'm asking because your conclusion looks like you're trying to fit a theory to it rather than the other way around. The fact that you're just going to throw the theory away out of hand with a townflip isn't exactly helping your case.

[Ankamius]

Vote: Pistachi0n