Mini 1997: The Clownspiracy (Game Over!)

[Raskolnikov]

Did you know cedrick was vig before he claimed?

[Raskolnikov]

You're not making any sense but that's not really new.

[Kiana Kaslana]

Did you know cedrick was vig before he claimed?

No, I didn't.

Anyway I have other stuff to do and I don't think talking to you is going to be a good way to spend my time, you're clearly not going to unvote, so bye.

[Raskolnikov]

Anyway I have other stuff to do and I don't think talking to you is going to be a good way to spend my time, you're clearly not going to unvote, so bye.

This is the main problem I've had with kiana all game. Almost all of why she talks to people is to get them to unvote her instead of trying to sort them.

[Gamma Emerald]

Cedrick-scum has motivation to CC, obviously. Mislynch me for a free PR lynch day 1, and avoid having his teammate shot tonight and also potentially having the risk of his teammate being lynched Day 1. If I get lynched today it's a guaranteed benefit to hypothetical Cedrick-scum, but if town does the right thing and allows us to self-resolve it, who will get lynched, maybe a teammate, all bets are off.

If you're claiming he has no scum motivation you are either blind or scum wanting my mislynch then going to mislynch him tomorrow.

He crumbed vig multiple times, and CC'd without any pressure on him. Are you arguing he'd put those crumbs in advance just in case he'd feel like fakeCCing a vig claim?

Also from MYPOV if you're town you're likely to shoot town anyways in me so scum would and should just let you.

yawn you missed the part where Kiana said she thought Cedrick was town

[Raskolnikov]

In that post she's talking about the scum possibility.

[Gamma Emerald]

It's like hitting the lottery, do you think any town on this site ever caught 3 scum on day 1?

Yes. Was part of one game where that happened and then scum imploded. Very funny to watch from the deadtopic after I forced scum to kill me. Even if the vig was relucant to shoot because of a special role after night 3 4 of 5 scum were dead. And this was a large.

Even an unbreakable setup has to be balanced, 2 vigs in a mini modnightmare. I stand by this.

And unvoting a scummy player player who claims a provable role, normal. After a CC, when you believe the CC also normal.

Exept Hiraki and wh4t and Kiana no one seems to even consider 2 vigs.

Well it's a possibility I think I mentioned it earlier but since most people don't I'm arguing to the majority

[Gamma Emerald]

In that post she's talking about the scum possibility.

ok fine

[Gamma Emerald]

This is AtE as fuck btw.

AtE isn't scummy
but you are
VOTE: Raskolnikov

[Gamma Emerald]

Except my contention is in designing the setup he wouldn't put 2 vig rolecards to begin with, because it'd be awful if both landed town, but one would have to be changed anyways if it does to scum (being another role) so literally the only reason you put 2 is for so 2 town vig can happen, which goes back to the original argument against that.

Why would scum claim something that isn't their own fakeclaim when they have ones that most likely are comparable to their real role? Like the point Kiana is making is regardless of her alignment her town rolecard is vig.

[Gamma Emerald]

Did you know cedrick was vig before he claimed?

No but he did, and he'd know to shoot you

[Raskolnikov]

I don't even know what you're saying anymore. So you actually think there's 2 vigs?

[Raskolnikov]

How do people even townread kiana this game.

[StefanB]

No idea(only that you ever let a part for error), I hope Gamma and Hiraki will never mod games.

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't even know what you're saying anymore. So you actually think there's 2 vigs?

Could be. I'm not sure at this point, I've sorta been associative scumreading Kiana but other than that I'm townreading her, and I agree Cedrick has very little motivation to CC vig as scum even if his rolecard as town would have been vig, since that's just sticking his neck out for a mislynch when he can just kill Kiana most likely.

[Gamma Emerald]

No idea(only that you ever let a part for error), I hope Gamma and Hiraki will never mod games.

Too late,

JACKASS!!!!!

[Gamma Emerald]

Actually what the fuck, how does me misreading Kiana equal being a bad mod? Why shouldn't I WOTC you?

[Raskolnikov]

No idea(only that you ever let a part for error), I hope Gamma and Hiraki will never mod games.

Well that I don't mind THAT much TBH. Being distrustful of setup things is an okay default stance because it's complicated as fuck and can burn you if you think you know more than you actually do. But I just think kiana's scumtelling all game long and it's mystifying people are going the other way as hard as townreading. I think only bujaber really explained (agreed with her cases and her style was "protown" I think ?) and his view is believable but everyone else idk where they're even coming from.

[Raskolnikov]

Actually what the fuck, how does me misreading Kiana equal being a bad mod? Why shouldn't I WOTC you?

He's talking about the setup stuff in that post.

[StefanB]

Actually what the fuck, how does me misreading Kiana equal being a bad mod? Why shouldn't I WOTC you?

The bad mod is about 2 vigs in a 13-player mini!!! Okay to be fair that would only make you a bad setup-disigner.
And yes, I am perhaps a bit angry about thinks like

Because no one actually has a lick of sense other than me + a few others

The problem is getting enough town vote when most of the town is busy shitting their pants over vig counterclaims

Holy hell ms towns are brain-damaged

and other thinks from other player.

Thanks to BuJaber and Maki for staying civil.

You can WOTC me. Or easier tell me to never join a game with you again. Perfectly in your right.

I will not make you the offer to replace out, because I don't think that I was that much out of line.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'll have you know I have designed decent setups before, plus I think 2 vigs isn't that nuts, in fact I think a Normal (which this game has been stated to be based around rule-wise) there were even and odd night vigs. While this is different it's still about the same idea.

[Gamma Emerald]

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=74541
this game fyi

[StefanB]

And Kiana this were her scum and townpoints. I was waiting for BuJaber to tell me, what of them were good, I think besides Archwing and one for Kokichi they don't seem real, but make up your mind:
Scumpoints:

Raskolnikov: Scumpoints for nonsensepost in RVS, voting Maki in RVS, The RonaldMcDonaldstory, for stating a townread very strongly(Wh4t), doubeling for voting her, for a joke/fake scumpoints(399), for trying to townread her(249), when there is nothing in the post, that goes in that direction
Archwing: Scumpoints for RVSvote, Scumpoints for nonsense/fluffpost(168), twice, for starting a waggon on a random player, for an inconsistance between scumlist and stated reeds

Mixed:
Wh4t: Townpoints for a vote(me), minus for changing his vote to Cedric, for good analysis, Pat on the back(because max-out for the votes), but removed for moving the vote to a scumread
Gamma: Townpoints for a vote(me), Scumpoints for voting her(only a small part remains after the unvote)

Townpoints:

Cedric: Masive townpoints for jokes(!!!!!!!!!!!!!!), Townpoints for a vote(Arch)
Kokichi: Townpoints for a vote(Arch), For bringing up inconsistance between Archwings scumlist and reads before
BuJaber: For his first post
Brass: For post 197, for the vote on Arch

[StefanB]

I'll have you know I have designed decent setups before, plus I think 2 vigs isn't that nuts, in fact I think a Normal (which this game has been stated to be based around rule-wise) there were even and odd night vigs. While this is different it's still about the same idea.

There is a huge difference kill-vice even/odd vigs are more like one vig divided in 2 players.
If you design setups do the math yourself.
With x-shot vigs we have 3 deaths per night and a confirmed 10:3, both vigs confirmed as town.
I would not say 2 of a role are somethink strange if it wasn't the vig. In a large okay, posible.

[Gamma Emerald]

Like I see two limited vigs as swingy but not impossible. It has the chance to win n1 for town or cause an early lylo