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[Zulfy]

I think Cakez just got confused tbh. I kinda did too and didn't immediately notice the problem with that post about Quick. But the explanation given was weird.

Clidd: why did you scumread me earlier

[clidd]

I think Cakez just got confused tbh. I kinda did too and didn't immediately notice the problem with that post about Quick. But the explanation given was weird.

Clidd: why did you scumread me earlier

It was more because of your absence during the period when we were questioning Luciano that it still hasn't been so clear to me. As time went by, I was also not a big fan of your progression, but I think this is more a characteristic of your playstyle than necessarily a scummy attitude that you performed. If the ''math'' of hoods is correct, I believe we can say that you are probably town mechanically, unless someone presents a game in which a 4-player hood (in a 13-person game) has 2 scums .

[Hoctac]

Zulfy still hasn't answered my very important question in the hood actually.

[clidd]

To be honest, after the re-read I did in the transition from N2 to D3, I saw the departure of Ragman (Looker) and the ISO of Persivul (Ame) from another perspective.

Spoiler:

Maybe I'm insane, but I'm starting to work on the hypothesis that they are both towns.

[Hoctac]

Why? What did you realise in the reread?

[Zulfy]

To answer ur question Hoctac: no

[Zulfy]

Could you tell me what you had not liked about my progression? Also yea I was absent day 1 I have that terribly bad habit, legitimately: apologies.

[clidd]

Why? What did you realise in the reread?

Ragman:

Looking at Ragman's progression from post 127 to 414, I feel that he was trying to enter an investigative mentality, but not being so effective (because the suspicions in his slot only increased). Post 451, when I tried to engage with him, the response had a partially ignorant tone, in the sense that he was no longer as comfortable in prolonging the subject that I wanted to discuss, very similar to the posture when someone says something that you consider be absurd or totally opposed to what you are thinking, what fits more in the context of Town!Ragman trying to defend his own ideas (is aware that his reasoning is true), than Scum!Ragman avoiding creating associations with his slot for not harm his partners after flip (is aware that his reasoning is false). His last post, 454, exemplifies the development of the frustration he was feeling at being accused and having his reads completely ignored. It was at this point that I associated the exit with Klick (Quick), in the sense of motivation

[Towny]

Persivul:

Personally, I don't appreciate this player's playstyle, regardless of his alignment, which probably influenced my judgment about the slot emotionally. However, when observing his ISO, I noticed that the aggressiveness (which is a characteristic point of his profile) was applied in a context that seemed very strange to imagine Scum!Persivul gaining an advantage. This started in the interaction between Persivul and Umlaut, on posts 455 ~ 459, which was then continued on post 482, replicating the same insult but with an additional: a role. Why Scum!Persivul would claim to be a PR knowing he would receive another warning that would result in his force-replace from the game ? in that context, scumteam would have a damaged slot as soon as a successor appears. Evidently, it's possible that Scum!Persivul was trying to make some wifom move or just couldn't control himself, but the scenario that made the most sense in my mind was that of Town!Persivul trying to stay in the game (by claiming), but not avoiding further insult because of his arrogance/ego. I feel that in the Scum!Persivul scenario, there would be the most significant suppression of this toxicity, because if my read is correct about Ragman, the scumteam had both

Klick

and

Ragman

as potential mislynchs in the period when the votes had escalated in both wagons , something utopian/ideal for the mafia to capitalize on, which would make it possible for him to maintain good behavior. Particularly, I always avoid this type of toxicity, regardless of the alignment, but when the emotional factor collapses, it is much easier not to be able to hold on as a town, because you know that there are no partners that depend on you, than scum, where you need to constantly maintain a good social image so as not to damage your team's chances of winning. So, in other words, the assimilation of my personal interpretation of the behavior that Persivul exhibited before leaving the game, and also during the game (as I noticed that he was actually trying to perform scumhunting), point more strongly to his town scenario than scum scenario.

[Towny]

Evidently, these two reads can change completely depending on the actions of the successors (Looker / Ame). In the case of Looker, I currently have a problem with the formatting of his posts and I don't feel that much transparency coming from him. My problem with Ame is the lack of information on her role that is leaving me completely in the dark.

[clidd]

Could you tell me what you had not liked about my progression? Also yea I was absent day 1 I have that terribly bad habit, legitimately: apologies.

Give me some minutes.

[clidd]

I don't think I need to be specific. Your case, Zulfy, from what I have noted, is basically your simplicity in inferring things. Your engagement with other players is more widely spaced and does not nurture as much detail to distinguish whether it’s coming from a town mentality or not. Not that I'm saying you're not paying attention to the game, but that's my view of your behavior. But I'm comfortable with you now (hood mechanics).

[clidd]

Ok, let's say

Ame is cop

.

{Brass, Valoneast, Hoctac and Zulfy}

--> Hood

Brass scum

=

Valoneast/Hoctac/Zulfy town.

PoE scumteam -->

Sircakez/Umlaut/Reundo/Looker

If I'm right on Ragman/Persivul, I can see a reduction in possible PoE combinations.

Spoiler:

The scumteam would be, theoretically speaking,

Sircakez and Reundo

. Which is a slightly weak combination, especially looking at the low number of posts in both slots. I'm not sure if my Umlaut read is still valid with N2 flip, but he always give me towny feels. I still need to listen to Ame to know what the heck she is thinking, but if she really is cop, there is a special motivation from mafia to not try to run a NK on her, as this would confirm the false report she claimed to have (or hit 1-shot). It is also possible that I am an extreme fool/idiot and Ame is obvious scum messing with our heads, but that is the main line of reasoning I have now, unfortunately.

Added spoiler to image as requested.
~Ircher

[clidd]

Ops, I forgot the spoiler tag.

@Mod

, if you can censor the gif ^

[Ame]

[:

[SirCakez]

I'm awake! Cakez what is it that you are doing?

~The neighbors claimed day 1
~Quick confirmed knowledge of the hood
~Quick was either informed or scum with someone on the hood
~You claim you did not know who the neighbors were
~ Quick flipped, so now you know who the neighbors are?

How does that make sense?

Again I already talked about this. I misunderstood and thought Quick was in the hood and just thought Quick was scum. The flip cleared things up for me.
I still don't know who the neighbors are other than the dead brass. I'm sure it's been said somewhere now and I missed some posts.

[SirCakez]

Ame + Reundo seems plausible to me

[Ame]

So you've played two games each with half a dozen neighborhoods and had no problem keeping track there, but now one neighborhood that has been claimed multiple times is too hard to keep track, yet you happened to know the scum player in the group. Uh huh.

[SirCakez]

It's easy to track hoods when they are completely public, yeah.

[SirCakez]

Good strawman attempt though

[Ame]

It was made public here multiple times and it was one hood.

[Ame]

That's also not what a strawman is.

[SirCakez]

point to one post where the hood with all members was made clearly public

[Ircher]

Day 3 VC #3

Hoctac (1): Looker (1296)
Ame (2) (L-3): Zulfy (1262), SirCakez (1286)
Not Voting (6): clidd, Reundo, Umlaut, valoneast, Ame, Hoctac (1295)

With 9 alive, it takes 5 votes to lynch a player.

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[Ame]

Clidd is trying way too hard

I guess you

could

be Clidd's partner. I had forgotten about this post.

[Ame]

VOTE: Quick

There's a neighborhood, right? Who is in it?

Me, brass, valoneast, Zulfy.

One of us is scum with Quick.

See how easy that was

[SirCakez]

Thx