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[Elbirn]

okay so nothing else to catch up on

profii NK makes me skeptical of wake being scum tbh, even though NK is big wifom: it has little benefit for wake in any of the scenarios, and he wasn't in a position to make bad NK plays as a likely lynch today.

unless he just screwed up, then okay sure

Who else do you shoot as scum? Profi seems like the best kill from uhh anyones perspective

[Wake1]

I have no idea who the last Scum.

I do know that profii was at odds with me yesterday, and I wouldn't be surprised if the last Scum killed him to cast doubt on me.

Did everyone claim?

I don't think I saw a reason attached to Eve's vote on me, and I don't think her slot should be cleared because of Wimpy's replace-out. I don't feel particularly comfortable with Elbirn, either. Elements and Plank I feel more comfortable with, but it wouldn't surprise me if that's where the last Scum is.

I feel like the key to solving this puzzle is seeing who Looker interacted with Day 1. The lack of associations makes it so difficult to get a read on the last Scum.

[UltimatePlank]

okay so nothing else to catch up on

profii NK makes me skeptical of wake being scum tbh, even though NK is big wifom: it has little benefit for wake in any of the scenarios, and he wasn't in a position to make bad NK plays as a likely lynch today.

unless he just screwed up, then okay sure

Who else do you shoot as scum? Profi seems like the best kill from uhh anyones perspective

maybe?

idk, why does wake kill them there?

[Eve]

Elements can you clarify why Plank is scum because of Looker?

[Eve]

oi people, this game still exists

you can't tell me what to perceive as real or not

[Eve]

I have no idea who the last Scum.

I do know that profii was at odds with me yesterday, and I wouldn't be surprised if the last Scum killed him to cast doubt on me.

Did everyone claim?

I don't think I saw a reason attached to Eve's vote on me, and I don't think her slot should be cleared because of Wimpy's replace-out. I don't feel particularly comfortable with Elbirn, either. Elements and Plank I feel more comfortable with, but it wouldn't surprise me if that's where the last Scum is.

I feel like the key to solving this puzzle is seeing who Looker interacted with Day 1. The lack of associations makes it so difficult to get a read on the last Scum.

woah so this is Wake's legendary pure analytical power - i've only heard about it in the legends i never thought i'd live to see it

but seriously you're not giving reasons for any of your reads and you're even saying you wouldn't be surprised to see scum be in the two people you're most comfortable with aka your townreads - stop scumreading everyone and actually take some stances and give reasons why

[Elements]

I had UltimatePlank marked as scum in my mind but now I feel otherwise

Can you spoonfeed me a reason for plank-town? I have a lot of lazy scumreads and he's one of them, help me narrow things down friend

They decided to completely fabricate my read on wake which I had at no point eluded to or given and used that to push me as scum multiple times. When no one was joining in they as good as dropped it.

In 409 they responded to profii in such a jumble of minced words I had to read it twice to understand what they were saying. It's phrased in such a way to make people skimming the thread think salad is scummy when in actual fact the arguments being used are cyclical and make zero sense.

I think 435 and 456 are distancing posts. 435 starts out looking like looker is building up a scum case for UP but then looker decided to keep his vote on me even after using UP's push on me as reasoning for them being scummy? Doesn't make sense.

I think both Looker and UP are scum here.
VOTE: UP
because I don't know how many looker is on and I cba to count.

[Elbirn]

okay so nothing else to catch up on

profii NK makes me skeptical of wake being scum tbh, even though NK is big wifom: it has little benefit for wake in any of the scenarios, and he wasn't in a position to make bad NK plays as a likely lynch today.

unless he just screwed up, then okay sure

Who else do you shoot as scum? Profi seems like the best kill from uhh anyones perspective

maybe?

idk, why does wake kill them there?

Everyone here appears to be a potential mislynch; wake tried to float profi as scum and nobody bit. Several people including yours truly were against a profi wagon.

I think the kill last night was optimal for scum whoever they were; I'm not certain I would push that it makes sense for wake specifically, it makes sense for just...whoever scum is.

[Elbirn]

I don't think I saw a reason attached to Eve's vote on me, and I don't think her slot should be cleared because of Wimpy's replace-out. I don't feel particularly comfortable with Elbirn, either. Elements and Plank I feel more comfortable with, but it wouldn't surprise me if that's where the last Scum is.

Wake you confused me with eve. I replaced wimpy.

[Elbirn]

For all my issues with wake screaming for claims all game, best to have them all done before lylo. I'm VT.

[Montosh]

VC 6.2

UltimatePlank (1):

Elements

Wake88 (1):

Eve

Not voting (3):

UltimatePlank, Elbirn, Wake88

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch

Deadline: (expired on 2019-12-26 13:00:00)

[Elbirn]

I don't suppose anyone wants to play today?

[Elements]

I'm also VT

[Elbirn]

Hi Elements hows it going

[Elements]

Going good, currently wrapping Christmas presents

[Eve]

everyone wants to claim last i guess

i've got a real powerful claim lined up so i'll go later thanks

[Elbirn]

Idk who else hasn't claimed. Plank? I'd rather you claimed before him honestly

[Elements]

Plank is going to claim scum so I don't think it matters what order

[Elbirn]

Below is every post zote made in reference to looker. I am still deciding what this means, I townread zote at the time, I townread the rest of his day 1 play when rereading his iso today, but I don't like his pushing against the looker wagon and I'm deciding if he was wrong-town or defending his partner. I believe eve replaced zote?

Spoiler:

Is there anything important I need to know about the Wimpy/Vork/profii discussions that have clogged up the last three pages?

I attempted to skim it, but it was obnoxious trash.

I have to agree with this statement and will not bother wasting my time reading through it.

Can someone TL;DR key points the wagon on looker?
I've caught up but I still don't get it

You have a reason for not wanting Looker to be pressured?

You have a reason to pressure him, cur? I don't really see the case against Looker either.

The only thing in Looker's ISO I dislike right now is his vote on Elements.

The only thing in Looker's ISO I dislike right now is his vote on Elements.

Is there a reasonable opposition or just a lack of understanding?

I assume you're referring to me questioning your vote on Elements, to which I'd reply that I don't understand where it comes from. Why did you vote someone who has been V/LA most of the day?

I just got back from slaying many great beasts in the caverns of Hallownest. They could not stand the wrath of Zote the Mighty and his appropriately named weapon, 'Life Ender.' I've heard tales of an arena where great warriors gather to fight. Perhaps I may discover this arena some day.

In the meantime, I will review the Looker case.

So basically the case against Looker is his lack of contribution or substance in his posts. Is that not very similar to the case that was against Wake in the beginning? I find it odd that the players in support of the Looker wagon were the same people who were against the Wake wagon are in support of the Looker wagon despite the similar reasoning.

I assume you're referring to me questioning your vote on Elements, to which I'd reply that I don't understand where it comes from. Why did you vote someone who has been V/LA most of the day?

Because the day's not over and input's preferred from everyone.

This is bad. I'm assuming you were aware that Elements was on V/LA and given that his V/LA was scheduled to be over long before our deadline is reached, I don't understand why you were so concerned about this.

I am starting to see the case against Looker, but I'm not 100% confident that they'll flip scum. I still find it unsettling how confident alimdia is in his read and if Looker is lynched and does flip green, that's one suspect for tomorrow.

Also don't care for Elements's or Plank's votes on Looker either.

I am starting to see the case against Looker, but I'm not 100% confident that they'll flip scum. I still find it unsettling how confident alimdia is in his read and if Looker is lynched and does flip green, that's one suspect for tomorrow.

Also don't care for Elements's or Plank's votes on Looker either.

Do you really think that if looker flips green that makes alimdia scummy ?

I mean the guys signature says 100% town win rate and it looks like he completed 1 game - he is just super cock sure

Potentially, mostly because I don't find the case against Looker very compelling.

I'd look into Plank and Elements too upon a town!Looker flip.

Also don't care for Elements's or Plank's votes on Looker either.

What do you not like about mine?

Your vote felt like OMGUS and had very little weight to it.

If wake88 flips scum Looker is scum as well

Based on what? Show me your big beautiful brain processes

Lynch wake get two scum, enough of this horseshit

Why are you even mad?

If wake flips scum then I can see why you say Looker is scum. But if Looker flips scum then the opposite doesn't hold true.
Therefore we should vote Looker because he is more likely scum independently.

This makes no sense. Explain what you mean by this. If you think they have a chance of flipping scum together, then why would the opposite not be true?

This is bad. I'm assuming you were aware that Elements was on V/LA and given that his V/LA was scheduled to be over long before our deadline is reached, I don't understand why you were so concerned about this.

I don't trust V/LA's - not blindly. It's too easy for someone to post bullshit fluff, go "V/LA", and then lurk while everyone else contributes perspectives to which we can hold them accountable. I just don't think it's a fair style of play.

Does everyone have to share what is going on in their life if they do go V/LA? We all have lives outside of this game. I, as a knight of great renown, slay many beasts on a daily basis.

One valid criticism that you could bring up is to say that Elements's play since getting back from V/LA has been lackluster.

VOTE: Looker

FOOL!

I guess I should not be surprised given your opening statement. But if this flips town, I will slay you!

Sorry I've been gone a while. I found a great beast in the depths of Hallownest and slayed it with my weapon, 'Life Ender!' I will catch up soon.

thoughts on wagons?

I am opposed to the Looker wagon. I think he is going to flip town.

VOTE: Ultimate Plank I still don't like this slot.

man idk anymore but wake wagon is not better than looker wagon

gonna need more than "wakemanbad"

what OTHER wagon do you want saudade

honestly id vote saudade over wake at this juncture

Fool! Have you even given justification for why you're on the Looker wagon? Based on your ISO it feels to me like you find Elements much more suspicious. Would your vote not be better placed there?

[Montosh]

Wake88 and UltimatePlank have been prodded

[Elements]

We have 3 days left to lynch plank.
I feel like if eve was scum she would've joined me in lynching plank a while ago

[Wake1]

Why should we vote Plank?

[Elements]

He's scum

[Wake1]

That doesn't help.

[Elements]

so you don't want to lynch scum?