Mini 1851 : Order of the Stick Mafia - Epilogue

[Leonshade]

No, I meant Tammy and me.

[Leonshade]

And yes, I believe the claim and think both Tammy and kraska are town.

[kraska77]

I claimed bulletproof before so why is this news to you idgi

[kraska77]

I claimed bulletproof before so why is this news to you idgi

There being 2 town bps I mean

[Leonshade]

My full thought process:
"There's three BP?"
"Wait kraska probably fakeclaimed there's two" -> Post reaction anyway.

I should go to sleep.

[kraska77]

Oh okay

[Tammy]

Was hoping for something way more from Nacho.

He's probably just scum

[Infinity 324]

Why is nacho scum for not catching up yet 0_0

[SirCakez]

ffs you guys Nacho just threw out a shitload of AtE then started lurking and it's working! It reminds of Musical Mafia where he did the same thing as part of the Pied Piper and nearly got away, but Cerberus saved the game.
And now we're lynching someone who is, for me, a complete tossup

I will not comment on this topic further.

This is definitely lyncher on town, obviously. He has to go at some point.

btw a thought I had that I dont remember if I posted is that Cakez was okay to have shaddow vigged because they have a scum doc and they would save him

but obv they didnt expect strongman

Also this is total bull
I explicitly said I didn't care who got lynched and who got vigged

[Wisdom]

dont worry, youll be the next "tossup"

[SirCakez]

No I won't

[farside22]

A few notes I have in catch up.
Don't care about the leon theory moments.
Many sheeping without explaining coming and I feel myself hating this game more because all I see is apparently it's ok to add a vote for shitty reasons but I have to jump through hoops to explain myself more then anyone else does in this game.

I seriously wish someone at the end of this game to explain why that happens because currently it's the last straw for me at this point where I want nothing to to with mafia any more.

That said onto infinity since he had the big post that said a lot more then anyone else.

My town reads are based on a combo of gut/meta and some laziness to not read everything in full. Yes I know that sounds a2ful but imagine having 10 to 15 minutes to read something, if your lucky, without interruptions, to just make a post. Or having to wake up extra early just to get time to make a post and you might get why I do what I do.
I'm being less involved because I'm busy. It's that simple and I can't keep telling people at home to give me 5 min to finish.
As for shadow, I didn't see a viable point against him and I get paranoid when people vote for no reason as it comes more from scum then town. Lurking, placing votes, giving very little to thoughts has typically been something I see from scum.
Lurking, unfortunately has become the norm so for me it's hard to see who is scum or town from lurking and I still yet have a single person explain why shadow was a scum read.
Anyways I stand by my wisdom scum read.
This is more about meta and style then anything. He doesn't just switch reads for no reason.
He doesn't just suddenly stop tunneling unless there is a viable reason.
He's most likely helping his scum buddy but I still not 100% on that because of PeregrineV who's done less then nothing and Kagami who had a shadow scum read but barely pushed that scum read.
I'm Bolding the important part.

bulba, GreyICE and myself have called Wisdom scum if the town doesn't listen to 3 town players they deserve to lose. The fact only one dead player night 1 could be because Wisdom scum killed during the day and that would typically nurf the ability for scum to kill at night

That was why I voted for wisdom at the beginning.
I'm currently voting for him for bring up weak meta, hypothetical scum buddy theory and a 180 on nacho, all things town Wisdom does not do.

[Infinity 324]

Shadow, your question to me was already addressed and answered.

I'm ok with shadow votes. His questions don't seem to be written in an attempt to gamesolve, they're more trying to look busy and defending himself. And to add on to the list of hypocritical things I've said this game, I don't really like shadow taking seriously tammy not moving her vote. To be fair, this time tammy clearly said that it was for fun. It just looks like an attempt to look busy.

Ok I've convinced myself

VOTE: shadow

I'm not a fan of voting someone with 3 posts on page 25, though I will check again what those posts are...

What do you think of this reasoning?

Can you explain your read on cakez throughout the game, including when and why you dropped your scumread on him and what your read on him is now?

[Infinity 324]

As for your frustrations, I think there's some mindmeld going on in this game and you kind of ended up on the outside of that so people may find it harder to understand your reasoning and motivations.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Vote Count 2.9

- as of post 1688

farside22 (4) - Wisdom, Infinity 324, kraska77, Leonshade
Nachomamma8 (2) - SirCakez, Kagami
Wisdom (2) - Nachomamma8, farside22

Not Voting (2) - PeregrineV, Tammy

The Current deadline is December 4th at 12pm EST in (expired on 2016-12-04 12:00:00)

With 10 alive - 6 are required to lynch.

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[Kagami]

Farside, do you remember what changed your mind on Kraska?

[Kagami]

Tammy, anything outside of role stuff in the hood?

[Kagami]

UNVOTE:

[Wisdom]

if only nacho wasnt so underwhelming game would be over already

[Kagami]

I do feel like the game could be flowcharted from here pretty easily.

The gamestate is pretty cleanly split between a team in {farside, cakez, nacho} and something with wisdom in it.

I'm kind of entertaining Kraska-wisdom, which explains a lot of oddities in this game.

I would have liked to get to the bottom of the Leon issue, which would potentially clarify wisdom's alignment; nothing super obvious jumps out at me going through my iso.

[Kagami]

if only nacho wasnt so underwhelming game would be over already

Seems like stabbing someone who had a higher chance of being scum would have been the better way to accelerate the game.

[Wisdom]

no, not really
i would never have a confident townread on bulba and thus id never gamesolve

[Kagami]

Is there some kind of nacho summoning ritual we should be doing? He's clearly keeping up with posts at the very least.

[Kagami]

Leon, what makes you think wisdom isn't xykon?

[Wisdom]

i wasnt aware xykon stabs people