The Mod Is Mafia (Game Over)

[mastina]

Gonna steal this pagetop while I can.

Twenty-ninth Votecount

:

(Sixth Votecount D2)

DiamondSentinel - 4 (Radiant Moonlight, MarioManiac4, grapes, Mathblade)

L- 4

Radiant Moonlight - 3 (Maestro, DiamondSentinel, Kise)

L- 5

camn - 1 (Smocaine)

L- 7

MarioManiac4 - 1 (camn)

L- 7

mastina

- 1 (Not_Mafia)

L- O- L

Not Voting - 5 (Aronis, Theta Alpine, Stalfos, Ghostlin, massive)

With

15

alive, it takes

8

to lynch.

At deadline,

DiamondSentinel

would be lynched.

DiamondSentinel is at L-4

.

Day 2's deadline is Monday, November 13th, @ 6:30 PM PDT: (expired on 2017-11-13 21:30:19).

V/LA Notices/Mod Notes:

• mastina, the moderator, is V/LA over weekends.
  

[Stalfos]

Welcome DiamondSentinel!

All this talk of bussing before any scum flips is way premature. All this talk of claiming is also premature. I've also been trying to follow quote links just now and a whole bunch of them are broken so I'm guessing a whole bunch of things have been deleted.

Readlist:

Town - Camn, Stalfos
Null!Town - Creature (unfortunately now dead)
Null - Ghostlin (note that Nos is in null!scum. The slot changed a bit), Mario (he's done butt fuck nothing with his content and I hate it)
Null!Scum - Nos, Kise, Hebichan (who was replaced and died immediately, which is off, but whatever)
Scum - Theta, Math, Radiant, Grapes, yume-slot (Looks to be Maestro now)

Regarding your readslist.

I'm interested in hearing you explain more about your Kise read. You found him noteworthy enough to put him in the list, so I assume you had some explanation for that. There were some other things in what you said that I wanted to ask you about, but I'm pretty bloody shattered right now so they'll have to wait for tomorrow when I can think straight.

MM4 was getting hit by deletes and edits iirc and I didn't really consider her content "nothing". Even so, why would you put her as null for that? If it was nothing, I'd expect her to not be on the list. If it was nothing enough to be noteworthy, I'd expect it to be because you considered it scummy. In comparison, you haven't listed Aronis, for example.

Also I suppose this is for my own personal comfort because I've got a low tolerance for this kind of thing, but would you be able to stop badmouthing players and their skill, particularly those who aren't in the game and can't call you out on it? You claim to want people to stop being confrontational but you're really not helping in that regard. It does nothing to help town to slag off players like hebi, Creature and Mulch. It just increases the unpleasantness of the game.

Grapes are delicious. Working on reads.

This was edited but the second part looks like it came from the original post. You were on Mulch pretty much since replace in, so I want to know where you're at now.


PEdit:

Gonna steal this pagetop while I can.

...
That's not a pagetop. Deletes incoming, I guess.


-Key

[mastina]

@Mod: Are we allowed to take pictures of written things and post them in here instead of typing our content?

<<< I'm gonna make the judgement call of no. >>>

[mastina]

Gonna steal this pagetop while I can.

...
That's not a pagetop.

I don't know what you're talking about. That's totally a pagetop, fair and square.

[MarioManiac4]

I'm not voting Mario. I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Mario is an idiot and a shitposter, but those are NAI for anyone. I can't read these type of people for shit (See: Cyberpunk Mafia with Dwlee)

Excuse you? I have "shitposted" only either once or twice (464 was a joke, 390 was kinda made in a shitposty way but also was meant to say something ingame.) You don't get to ignore and discredit a player because they debatedly shitposted twice.

[MarioManiac4]

Anyways, without further ado.

Readlist:

Town - Camn, Stalfos
Null!Town - Creature (unfortunately now dead)
Null - Ghostlin (note that Nos is in null!scum. The slot changed a bit), Mario (he's done butt fuck nothing with his content and I hate it)
Null!Scum - Nos, Kise, Hebichan (who was replaced and died immediately, which is off, but whatever)
Scum - Theta, Math, Radiant, Grapes, yume-slot (Looks to be Maestro now)

This many scumreads doesn't make a lick of sense; you realize it's confirmed 4 scum?

do you think every player should have the exact same number of scumreads as there are scum?

[Stalfos]

Excuse you? I have "shitposted" only either once or twice (464 was a joke, 390 was kinda made in a shitposty way but also was meant to say something ingame.) You don't get to ignore and discredit a player because they debatedly shitposted twice.

^
Agree. MM4 has been contributing considerably more than many other players.

---

So Prism is going to be fairly absent for the foreseeable future so it's mostly going to be me from now on.

But more thoughts regarding D1 before I go to sleep:
While we were sure on Mulchscum from the way he was acting, especially after the self-hammer, it should have been up to us to realise he was town. That also makes two games in a row that Priz has mislynched him and they are not going to blame him for that.

(I mean,

I

believe it's not all us but sharing blame is really not Prism's modus operandi and I'm speaking for both of us here)

Some scumreads as of end of Day:
Aronis's actions end of Day are confused. It looks like he was claiming to sheep Theta because he townread her earlier, but at that point she hadn't posted in like two weeks. Then his comments to Math in 1498 and 1521 offering to lynch Titus come across odd to me because he never expressed a read on Math and I couldn't find much on Moonlight either, so he didn't seem to be sheeping a townread or lynching a scumread. Then he didn't vote anyone and instead parked on mastina. I get that he's being silly but he also doesn't seem to have any kind of town curiosity or interest in who gets lynched. Scumread has not waned here.

Looking at the last minute additions to the Mulch wagon, Smocaine stands out to me. He seemed pretty keen on a Mulch lynch from early on, encouraged it, then switched to Theta even as he called her the "designated policy lynch" and the wagon "halfassed", before returning to Mulch. Disparaging his own vote while encouraging another wagon suggests a kind of dissonance that I'd expect from scum more than town.

And another point of interest that isn't so much a scumread as something I'd like to bring up for discussion is that Creature was scumreading MM4, but all of his posts connected to that were deleted even while he was making them, then he was killed overnight. I don't know if he was the scum kill but it's worth noting that he's not around to advocate for that read anymore. I'd rather that thread didn't get lost.


-Key

[camn]

FYI...I mentioned it pregame, but I am going on a bona fide real vacation next week.
No phone service.
Maybe some wifis.

It's gonna be awesome.

[massive]

I will agree that DiamondSentinel having a reason for his "townslip" makes it seem a lot less ... slippy.

VOTE: DiamondSentinel

Still happily townreading Math, Stalfos, Ghostlin. I'm still trying to think about how I feel about RM but I'm not ready to abandon my early townread.

[Aronis]

I think I'm done feeling out this phase. Anyone still down to flip this? VOTE: camn

No stop
That's my only townread

[Aronis]

@Mod: Are we allowed to take pictures of written things and post them in here instead of typing our content?

<<< I'm gonna make the judgement call of no. >>>

Such biased judgements smh

[DiamondSentinel]

I will agree that DiamondSentinel having a reason for his "townslip" makes it seem a lot less ... slippy.

VOTE: DiamondSentinel

Still happily townreading Math, Stalfos, Ghostlin. I'm still trying to think about how I feel about RM but I'm not ready to abandon my early townread.

I'm curious what townslip you're talking about.

[DiamondSentinel]

The one I asked about and you defending by saying you hadn't actually accidentally left anyone out of your catchup.

You thought that was a townslip? I'm confused.

[Aronis]

I think i've reached the conclusion that mathblade is town.
that being said, like i don't trust their reads, they just get points for effort

[DiamondSentinel]

Let me get this straight. You're saying that if I had put everyone in the readlist, I'd be scum, because that's what good scum does. But since I didn't, you're saying that I'm careless town. Except that since it wasn't accidental and just a product of how I did my readlist, now I'm scum?

This logic is ridiculous.

(Sorry for the delayed reply. This was a continuation of 1688 but I had to stop midway through writing it)

[DiamondSentinel]

that's actually pretty good logic.
like i've only given reads on four people this entire game and i'm obvtown

You're not obvtown. You're town, but there's room for you to be scum.

Furthermore, it's nothing to do with your lack of readlists. It's just that you're transparent.

wow trying to plant that ludicrous idea of doubt about me in people's minds?
you must really be scum

Bitch, I've had you on town from the start of the day. However, I'm often wrong.

I hate it when people say "oh, I'm obvtown". Anyone who says that instantly becomes scum in my book, so that's also why I said there's room for you to be scum. I don't see why nobody else understands that, but the reasoning department in this game has hit the shitter.

[DiamondSentinel]

Everyone should be put under scrutiny at all times. No matter how obviously town they may seem, until you have a mod confirmation that they are town, everyone can be a scum. So when you start to think you're above all doubt is when you should eat rope.

[DiamondSentinel]

Bitch, I've had you on town from the start of the day. However, I'm often wrong.

I hate it when people say "oh, I'm obvtown". Anyone who says that instantly becomes scum in my book, so that's also why I said there's room for you to be scum. I don't see why nobody else understands that, but the reasoning department in this game has hit the shitter.

But like I'm telling you you're not wrong, so you should trust me on that.

Everyone should be put under scrutiny at all times. No matter how obviously town they may seem, until you have a mod confirmation that they are town, everyone can be a scum. So when you start to think you're above all doubt is when you should eat rope.

And I do have a mod confirmation?
Like mastina warned me for trying to get the mod on my side:

Aronis has been warned for trying to get the mod on his side.

Like if I was scum she would already be on my side and I wouldn't need to do that. So the only reasonably answer to this is we aren't on the same side and I'm town.

That's not a mod confirmation... are you stupid? You have to be by trying to prove yourself with meta-information.

[Stalfos]

that's actually pretty good logic.
like i've only given reads on four people this entire game and i'm obvtown

You're not obvtown. You're town, but there's room for you to be scum.

Furthermore, it's nothing to do with your lack of readlists. It's just that you're transparent.

wow trying to plant that ludicrous idea of doubt about me in people's minds?
you must really be scum

Bitch,

I've had you on town from the start of the day.

However, I'm often wrong.

I hate it when people say "oh, I'm obvtown". Anyone who says that instantly becomes scum in my book, so that's also why I said there's room for you to be scum. I don't see why nobody else understands that, but the reasoning department in this game has hit the shitter.

(bolding mine)

Readlist:

Town - Camn, Stalfos
Null!Town - Creature (unfortunately now dead)
Null - Ghostlin (note that Nos is in null!scum. The slot changed a bit), Mario (he's done butt fuck nothing with his content and I hate it)
Null!Scum - Nos, Kise, Hebichan (who was replaced and died immediately, which is off, but whatever)
Scum - Theta, Math, Radiant, Grapes, yume-slot (Looks to be Maestro now)

Did you just summon a strong townread on Aronis out of nowhere to suit your argument? Considering 1615, I struggle to see where this came from, and I don't know why it wasn't in your initial list.

You're giving no reasoning at all and you're positioning yourself as some kind of higher authority instead of genuinely engaging and trying to solve the game.

Like... why townread Aronis? That's a read we directly disagree on, same as the Kise one I asked about.
You claim to townread us, I thought you'd have some interest in discussing things but apparently nah. You seem to be far more interested in defending yourself and discrediting anyone who scumreads you.


-Key

[Ghostlin]

This was edited but the second part looks like it came from the original post. You were on Mulch pretty much since replace in, so I want to know where you're at now.

I said grapes are delicious. She deleted nothing.

Off the cuff:
Town: grapes, MB, camn, probably you
Scum (which includes people not playing to a Town wincon): Aronis, smocaine---yes, they could just be shit town, but this is the kind of game where easily scum could be playing delibrately anti-town because LOLS! (No seriously, I'm much less likely to embrace this bullshit this game. And I've got a low tolerance for it anyhow; although smocaine encouraged the mulch lynch and then hopped off to end the day on the mod, which is no lynch and then told us all how Town mulch was seems fucking trying to manufacture holier than thou town cred that it should probably eat rope)
Curious About Because They're The Subject of Discussion: Radiant Moonlight, DS

I'm frankly feeling REALLY off balance right now and having trouble sorting, trying to decide whether or not I just roll with what I have (a lot of gut here) or do a close read of ISOs, mastina be damned.

[Ghostlin]

The Curious About section are people I don't really have reads on, but we've been talking about them a lot so I'd appreciate someone sharing their reads with me.

Oh, I forgot something:

Vote: smocaine

[DiamondSentinel]

that's actually pretty good logic.
like i've only given reads on four people this entire game and i'm obvtown

You're not obvtown. You're town, but there's room for you to be scum.

Furthermore, it's nothing to do with your lack of readlists. It's just that you're transparent.

wow trying to plant that ludicrous idea of doubt about me in people's minds?
you must really be scum

Bitch,

I've had you on town from the start of the day.

However, I'm often wrong.

I hate it when people say "oh, I'm obvtown". Anyone who says that instantly becomes scum in my book, so that's also why I said there's room for you to be scum. I don't see why nobody else understands that, but the reasoning department in this game has hit the shitter.

(bolding mine)

Readlist:

Town - Camn, Stalfos
Null!Town - Creature (unfortunately now dead)
Null - Ghostlin (note that Nos is in null!scum. The slot changed a bit), Mario (he's done butt fuck nothing with his content and I hate it)
Null!Scum - Nos, Kise, Hebichan (who was replaced and died immediately, which is off, but whatever)
Scum - Theta, Math, Radiant, Grapes, yume-slot (Looks to be Maestro now)

Did you just summon a strong townread on Aronis out of nowhere to suit your argument? Considering 1615, I struggle to see where this came from, and I don't know why it wasn't in your initial list.

You're giving no reasoning at all and you're positioning yourself as some kind of higher authority instead of genuinely engaging and trying to solve the game.

Like... why townread Aronis? That's a read we directly disagree on, same as the Kise one I asked about.
You claim to townread us, I thought you'd have some interest in discussing things but apparently nah. You seem to be far more interested in defending yourself and discrediting anyone who scumreads you.


-Key

Bleugh, I dunno what I was doing, but I somehow confused him for part of your hydra/your hydra's slot.

In that case, let me actually ISO him rather than having my readlist from memory.

Anyways, I will definitely discuss things with you. I discuss whatever seems to be the topic of discussion. When that's me or my reads, then yeah, I defend myself.

[DiamondSentinel]

Spoiler alert, Stalfos: I've no idea what I'm doing and I just fly by the seat of my pants. I'm probably the worst mafia player you'll ever meet, mostly because I don't have the same logical thought processes as you guys and I don't understand them at all. You guys talk about stuff and cross examine it, and all of it's moon logic to me. When you say "X means that they're scum", 95% of the time, I'm thinking "Wait, I took that as a townie thing to do".

[Smocaine]

This was edited but the second part looks like it came from the original post. You were on Mulch pretty much since replace in, so I want to know where you're at now.

I said grapes are delicious. She deleted nothing.

Off the cuff:
Town: grapes, MB, camn, probably you
Scum (which includes people not playing to a Town wincon): Aronis, smocaine---yes, they could just be shit town, but this is the kind of game where easily scum could be playing delibrately anti-town because LOLS! (No seriously, I'm much less likely to embrace this bullshit this game. And I've got a low tolerance for it anyhow; although smocaine encouraged the mulch lynch

and then hopped off to end the day on the mod, which is no lynch and then told us all how Town mulch was seems fucking trying to manufacture holier than thou town cred

that it should probably eat rope)
Curious About Because They're The Subject of Discussion: Radiant Moonlight, DS

I'm frankly feeling REALLY off balance right now and having trouble sorting, trying to decide whether or not I just roll with what I have (a lot of gut here) or do a close read of ISOs, mastina be damned.

I voted Mastina at d2 start, and was voting Mulch at eod. I hopped off the stalled Mulch wagon when deadline was approaching to start the Theta wagon which is when a bunch of people finally got on board with lynching Mulch. Which might be a good indicator that the theta wagon was lit.

[camn]

I don't have the same logical thought processes as you guys and I don't understand them at all. You guys talk about stuff and cross examine it, and all of it's moon logic to me.

Ha ha I feel the same soooo much of the time.
Maybe you are town after all.