Open 670: Near Vanilla (Over)

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Votecount 1.3

Votecount 1.3

[0] Lil Uzi Vert
[0] BlueBloodedToffee
[0] Pepchoninga
[0] MagnaofIllusion
[0] KainTepes
[1] Lowell - Hawk
[0] VeeGee
[0] Riley Cake
[1] Toto - Riley Cake
[2] Sesq - nebula, Toto
[2] nebula - Sesq, KainTepes
[2] Music Box - Lil Uzi Vert, BlueBloodedToffee
[0] Fredrick E Campbell
[2] Hawk - MagnaofIllusion, Lowell

[0] Nolynch

Not voting: Pepchoninga, VeeGee, Fredrick E Campbell, Music Box

14 players are alive, therefore 8 votes is the majority.

Deadline: (expired on 2017-02-13 13:10:00)

[BlueBloodedToffee]

So many small wagons achieving nothing.

VOTE: Sesq

[Sesq]

So many small wagons achieving nothing.

VOTE: Sesq

Forget accountant: THIS is the greatest logic of all time.

Just kidding. I'm assuming this is a reaction vote given the lack of explanation here.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Nah, I wanna lynch you.

[MagnaofIllusion]

CONFIRM MAFIA GOON,,

Frederick is my SCUMBUDDUY,,

VOTE: FREDERICK B CAMPBAGE

Do you think that this is good Town play (assuming you want people to believe you are Town for this sort of crap)? Obviously I do not. Congratulations you now get a deep meta dive from me. The purpose – to determine what ratio of past games you have made these sort of posts in. Of those I find will tell me if you just are just following some other terrible example on site or actively have used this sort of play in the past. Rest assured – if I find that you have done this more as scum than Town in the past then I will be locking my vote on you and pushing through your wagon today.

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@Nebula

– why did you bother to directly lie to me about your Alt status? 49 clearly is complete falsehood given your slip. What possible Town motivation could you possibly have for that deception?

I do not believe that you are actually a Mafia Goon, and I am assuming that you made that statement in an effort to appear more "town." What are your thoughts on the game so far?

Why would you ever think that sort of statement should make anyone appear “more town”?

Hawk and I are forming a townbloc. I think KainTepes can join.

By association, Frederick is also allowed in.

Whoever else wants to apply may do so via PM (don't do that btw, you'll be mod killed).

The bolded I find especially suspect.

VOTE: Nebula

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Where am I coasting along, and couldn't the same argument be made for LUV?

The same argument could be made about multiple players. Why specifiy LUV in this response?

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Why not engage Nebula who was being Wagon'd or someone else?

You chose to not engage the Nebula slot … and you ostensibly are presenting yourself as Town. Why is it questionable for someone else to engage away from there also?

Who else should Music Box engaged on page 2? I’ve already stated I found your play suspect. That’s a great place IMO for someone wanting to find alternate places to scum-hunt early to have gone.

[Hawk]

@Magna there's a difference between not actively engaging a slot and not wagoning them. I engage Nebula fairly well I thought. I agree Nebula's inclusion of KT and Frederick makes me very confused. Also I don't see why we would be forming a townBloc like that so early. I do find it discomforting that my town reads are opposed in some spots right now.

@Magna what do you think of Lowell's minimal explanation for his sheepy read and vote?

[MagnaofIllusion]

@Magna what do you think of Lowell's minimal explanation for his sheepy read and vote?

I think it is typical Lowell. I'm keeping an eye on his posting as I have a fairly good idea how scum-Lowell approaches the game. And that approach will take a couple of days and flips to figure out. I'm not sure I'll be around that long so I don't want to spend to much more time on the subject. Suffice it to say nothing so far says "Lynch him" to me as of now.

[nebula]

@Nebula – why did you bother to directly lie to me about your Alt status? 49 clearly is complete falsehood given your slip. What possible Town motivation could you possibly have for that deception?

Not a straight up lie. I said I haven't played this

style

before...which I have not. I hate making walls and expressing my thought processes. That said, it was deceptive but I had created this alt to get away from associations with the main. The deception was necessary. Obviously, that's out the window now.

The bolded I find especially suspect.

I think you taking that seriously is especially suspect.

You should vote Sesq, because I am a bad lynch.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Not a straight up lie. I said I haven't played this style before...which I have not. I hate making walls and expressing my thought processes. That said, it was deceptive but I had created this alt to get away from associations with the main. The deception was necessary. Obviously, that's out the window now.

This sort of tap-dancing is scummy as was your response back at 49. There is no disadvantage for you having said "Yes, I am an Alt that I am not disclosing" and left it at that. It would have answered my questions about experience. Instead you tried to "language lawyer" your response that while not necessarily incorrect via exact wording standards clearly was meant to be deceptive.

[nebula]

Not a straight up lie. I said I haven't played this style before...which I have not. I hate making walls and expressing my thought processes. That said, it was deceptive but I had created this alt to get away from associations with the main. The deception was necessary. Obviously, that's out the window now.

This sort of tap-dancing is scummy as was your response back at 49. There is no disadvantage for you having said "Yes, I am an Alt that I am not disclosing" and left it at that. It would have answered my questions about experience. Instead you tried to "language lawyer" your response that while not necessarily incorrect via exact wording standards clearly was meant to be deceptive.

Of course it was deceptive. I pointed that out. The playstyle I was trying go for required the deception. I make no apologies for that. For you to try and read alignment based on that is just bad.

[Lowell]

Go wagon, go.

VOTE: sesq

[Hawk]

Can I get a VC??

Two questions.

Sesq: Where exactly where you persuading other people not to vote Nebula cause I don't see it...

@Lowell can you give me a bit more insight as to why you just seem to be Wagoning? Do you just prefer to scum hunt reactively? Also walk me through why Riley was town again?

[Hawk]

Nah, I wanna lynch you.

Why?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

And now that Hellfire's ban has been retroactively reversed I'm not moving my vote as that replace-out is scummy.

I am not sure how this makes sense if the replace-out was not voluntary.

This post sets off a red flag for me - I don't understand why Nebula felt the need to address this point. It's almost like scum caught for the wrong reasons.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

To put the above post into context, I'm rereading the game.

It's not a reply to Hawk's post above it.

[Toto]

Wait. Nebula = penguin? Wtf?

Nebula sounds so fake. I like penguin more.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'm waiting for scum to post, any minute now.

Toto, can you be very explicit with what this post means please?

I think you are town.

Why are you town reading Sesq here?

Toto's sheep play is sort of alarming to me. I don't see why MB is scum beyond using bad logic.

Where did Toto sheep?

Sesq, can you talk to me about why you felt the need to provide a reads-list on page 3?

[Toto]

It meant that I didnt have strong SRs so far. Also if there were scum yet to post it would hopefully make them more nervous.

[Toto]

btw penguin just claimed jailkeeper.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

OK, it was worded as if you were reading everyone as town who had posted in the game at that point.

Who is penguin and where is the claim?

[Toto]

Nebula softclaimed twice now. It only makes sense if he is a jailkeeper. Doctor would not softclaim this early.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Soft-claims mean jack-shit.

I'd lynch a soft-claim in a heartbeat.

[nebula]

Nebula softclaimed twice now. It only makes sense if he is a jailkeeper. Doctor would not softclaim this early.

I haven't softclaimed at all, and I certainly wouldn't do it at like L-11000.

Even if you think I have softclaimed, why would you point it out? That's anti-town.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Nebula, I would appreciate it if you could respond to my posts.

[Toto]

Nope. You did softclaim. Denying it is a scumclaim.

VOTE: nebula