Back to the Future Mafia - Over: Was Hill Valley saved?

[PeregrineV]

Not seeing the Chronos case myself. Doesn't the fact that Anti isn't disputing any of the votes on him, weak or strong, say something?

@Anyone not voting Anti- please tell us why not. Thank you in advance.

[xvart]

Drunk as a skunk but I feel it pertinent to say that maybe antifinity and kiwi are scum buddies? Will actually post substance tomorrow. Disappointed in MoI's unvote.

[LordChronos]

@MoI

You misunderstood what I was saying there. I meant with regards to the request to find games. In that instance I did copy your words.

Anyway, Antifinity simply sitting around ignoring the votes on him and refusing to give more content is just making him scummier in my eyes.

Unvote; Vote: Antifinity

@xvart

Love to hear more.

[LordChronos]

V/LA 9/12 - 9/18

[MagnaofIllusion]

MOD – I’ll be V/LA from 4pm EST today until Monday morning for my usual weekend family duties.

Ok so Starbuck and Snake are going to be gross underperformers this game. One of them is probably going to be the scum who flies under the radar. Mark my words.

UNVOTE: LC
VOTE: Antifinity

Since I’ll be gone until closer to deadline this goes back on since our slackers show no sign of actually WANTING TO PLAY MAFIA.

@Anti

– You are at L-1 again. Shadow probably will hammer you. You might want to think about claiming sooner rather than later.

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Anyway, Antifinity simply sitting around ignoring the votes on him and refusing to give more content is just making him scummier in my eyes.

Unvote; Vote: Antifinity

Depending on Anti’s alignment this may be a goldmine for relational tell purposes.

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MoI: Why do you consider antifinity scummy?

I’ll summarize for you but this is pretty clear from my ISO.

Anti jumped on the Maru bandwagon with crap reasoning.
Kiwi calls him out on this (I agree with the call-out)
Anti immediately says effectively “LULZ TARP SPRUNG” and calls Kiwi obv-scum.
Anti’s explanations about why Kiwi is scummy and why he was voting for someone he later says was clearly a bad lynch don’t make much sense.
Anti’s other contributions to the game and scum-hunting are non-existant.

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Disappointed in MoI's unvote.

In the words of the Princess Bride – “Get used to disappointment”

[Starbuck]

I am not a fan at all of Shadow Dancer's policy lynch vote in 41. It's akin to bringing outside influences into games.

Interesting idea SnakePlissken, with the 88th poster thing.

@Everyone, does anyone think a mass nameclaim would be beneficial?

Seriously?

Unvote
Vote: Maruchan

Did you not read my explanation?

I am new, I have never played mafia before where there were names besides "cop nilla mafia doctor" and so on. So I have no fucking clue as to when a good time to nameclaim (not roleclaim, nameclaim) is. THATS WHY I ASKED. Sorry that you dislike the fact that I'm new to forum mafia.

I did, but what you asked is akin (I seem to like this word today) to rolefishing.

maru was D1 mislynch in Campaign mafia.
Per was D1 mislynch in lemming mafia.
Both ongoing games, so I won't elaborate.
I never played with vezok before.

I find your reasoning for why they would be good policy lynches to be sorerly lacking.

Refering to a single game (ongoing) where a player was mislynched on Day 1 is hardly reasonable. By that standard any play who has ever been mislynched Day 1 (which usually has scum influence behind the action) should be policy lynched.

I've been mislynched a fuck ton of times on Day 1. Maybe I should be on his list too?

Ridiculous, ShadowDancer.

also for those curious, I find Maru townish and his lynch in page 4 is heavily opportunistic.

Such as...?

And with LordChronos' Post 76, I am of the lynch all liars mentality.


That's what I have so far. I know I'm still a number of pages behind, but I'm working on it.

[ooba]

Anti prod measure - busy with other ongoing - will come back to this ..

[xvart]

Honestly, I don't think I could be more disinterested in the LC/MoI discussion; however, the fact that LC is still latching onto the topic is not sitting well with me.

unvote. vote Chronos

Until Anti waggon grows again pressure needs to go where is's deserved.

What do you mean "until the wagon grows again"? It lost one vote. Your unvote is the one that truly diminished the wagon. This is suspect because of the incorrect and over rationalization for unvoting.

Anti needs the noose.

[LordChronos]

Honestly, I don't think I could be more disinterested in the LC/MoI discussion; however, the fact that LC is still latching onto the topic is not sitting well with me.

unvote. vote Chronos

Until Anti waggon grows again pressure needs to go where is's deserved.

What do you mean "until the wagon grows again"? It lost one vote. Your unvote is the one that truly diminished the wagon. This is suspect because of the incorrect and over rationalization for unvoting.

Anti needs the noose.

I'm curious as to what you mean by latching onto it. Also interesting that you say I'm latching onto it but not that MoI is.

Also, you mentioned earlier thinking Antifinity and kiwi are scum buddies and said you post more today. So, why are Anti and kiwi scum buddies?

[xvart]

I'm curious as to what you mean by latching onto it. Also interesting that you say I'm latching onto it but not that MoI is.

Latching on might not have been the best way to say it but the whole Maruchan thing has been what a statistically significant in terms of your focus; outside of the few peripheral "hey so-and-so, I want to know what you think about this person." You've done that a few times but if feels more like fluff. I think everything you're saying about Maruchan seems pretty ridiculous so that being the focal point is suspicious in my eyes. The difference between you and MoI is that he is pushing you on your responses and your unique behavior.

Also, you mentioned earlier thinking Antifinity and kiwi are scum buddies and said you post more today. So, why are Anti and kiwi scum buddies?

lol. I forgot I said that. It isn't anything concrete but kiwi's posts and their back and forth banter about how they think each other is scum is rubbing me the wrong way. Even though kiwi hasn't been under any pressure I get the feeling that this might be one of those scum bussing scum things as neither of them really seem like they are actually making an effort to substantiate their claims of each other being scum or that they really care if the wagon goes through; other than "NO U" sort of stuff.

[Antifinity]

I'll claim when someone who isn't voting me explicitly says they intend to vote for me, and not a moment before. I haven't had much else to say because I've caught someone who is more and more blatantly playing in a scummy fashion, and he isn't posting much (prod 2 already) and none of it is substantial, so I can't build a case on him other than what I've presented. As far as a defense? I have none, I built the meaningless Maru wagon to try to pressure reactions out of the people on it, and caught a scum tell instead, so I moved to voting for him, but rather than defending himself, he's posted basically nothing, so I'm just stuck here doing not much. I can't excuse jumping off the Maru wagon, other than with the fact I was jumping onto someone who is actually Scum, and I can't excuse my lack of scum hunting because he won't do a damn thing in his defense. If you want to hammer me for that, say so and I'll understand.

[vezokpiraka]

I'll claim when someone who isn't voting me explicitly says they intend to vote for me, and not a moment before. I haven't had much else to say because I've caught someone who is more and more blatantly playing in a scummy fashion, and he isn't posting much (prod 2 already) and none of it is substantial, so I can't build a case on him other than what I've presented. As far as a defense? I have none, I built the meaningless Maru wagon to try to pressure reactions out of the people on it, and caught a scum tell instead, so I moved to voting for him, but rather than defending himself, he's posted basically nothing, so I'm just stuck here doing not much. I can't excuse jumping off the Maru wagon, other than with the fact I was jumping onto someone who is actually Scum, and I can't excuse my lack of scum hunting because he won't do a damn thing in his defense. If you want to hammer me for that, say so and I'll understand.

CLAIM.

Only scum stall.

[Antifinity]

I read a bunch on the wiki to try to play better, and according to
http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?tit ... o_Claiming
I really shouldn't claim unless it is certain that I'll get lynched otherwise. So unless I know for sure 1 more person would be willing to vote me, I'm not claiming. It'd presumably my power role(s) (if I have any) to claim and just generally give up pro-town information that might not need to be out there. If you want to debate the points in that article, I'm willing to reconsider, but that is my reasoning for now.

[SnakePlissken]

Nuts, I've been badly waylaid this week. Not had a chance to get a look in. I'm going to have q read back, but as it's my birthday tomorrow I won't be likely to comment until Monday.

[SnakePlissken]

OK Anti, I will hammer you. Dependant on your claim, so I'll give you until the end of Saturday, (today) to do it or I hammer you around 11pm GMT+1 time.

Unvote

[ooba]

Lol. People should seriously unvote Antifinity ...
a) I don't see scum stalling for a claim like this. Put yourself in the position of you-scum being wagon'd to L-1. Granted this is projection but I am definitely not going to quote claiming theory at that point. It's sub optimal.
b) Also Dekes gave scum pretty good fakeclaims last game. Given that, I'd see scum claiming at L-1 asap and not stall and hopefully hope people buy the claim and move to someone else .. Game for reference ...
I am right when I say he's bad town. There are better lynch candidates for today. For example...

Nuts, I've been badly waylaid this week. Not had a chance to get a look in. I'm going to have q read back, but as it's my birthday tomorrow I won't be likely to comment until Monday.

OK Anti, I will hammer you. Dependant on your claim, so I'll give you until the end of Saturday, (today) to do it or I hammer you around 11pm GMT+1 time.

Unvote

Doesn't have time to comment till Monday but willing to hammer Anti on Saturday without even reading. Don't see these two posts coming from a town mindset.

Vote: Snake

[Maruchan]

I'll claim when someone who isn't voting me explicitly says they intend to vote for me, and not a moment before. I haven't had much else to say because I've caught someone who is more and more blatantly playing in a scummy fashion, and he isn't posting much (prod 2 already) and none of it is substantial, so I can't build a case on him other than what I've presented. As far as a defense? I have none, I built the meaningless Maru wagon to try to pressure reactions out of the people on it, and caught a scum tell instead, so I moved to voting for him, but rather than defending himself, he's posted basically nothing, so I'm just stuck here doing not much. I can't excuse jumping off the Maru wagon, other than with the fact I was jumping onto someone who is actually Scum, and I can't excuse my lack of scum hunting because he won't do a damn thing in his defense. If you want to hammer me for that, say so and I'll understand.

please point to this scum tell you seem to have found so I know what to defend myself from? I defended myself from what I saw needed defending, IE: SD's idiotic vote. I didn't know you supposedly found a scumtell on me

[SnakePlissken]

Ooba with all due respect you are a donut. The posts about claiming were directly above mine, so while I'm reading back I at least looked at the last couple of posts.

[Antifinity]

I'll claim when someone who isn't voting me explicitly says they intend to vote for me, and not a moment before. I haven't had much else to say because I've caught someone who is more and more blatantly playing in a scummy fashion, and he isn't posting much (prod 2 already) and none of it is substantial, so I can't build a case on him other than what I've presented. As far as a defense? I have none, I built the meaningless Maru wagon to try to pressure reactions out of the people on it, and caught a scum tell instead, so I moved to voting for him, but rather than defending himself, he's posted basically nothing, so I'm just stuck here doing not much. I can't excuse jumping off the Maru wagon, other than with the fact I was jumping onto someone who is actually Scum, and I can't excuse my lack of scum hunting because he won't do a damn thing in his defense. If you want to hammer me for that, say so and I'll understand.

please point to this scum tell you seem to have found so I know what to defend myself from? I defended myself from what I saw needed defending, IE: SD's idiotic vote. I didn't know you supposedly found a scumtell on me

Sorry if that was unclear. I found no scum tell on you, I think you're town.

Alright, that's potential hammer, so I'm gonna go ahead and claim. Jennifer Parker
(1885)Vanilla Townie (1955)Vanilla Townie (1985)One-shot Deputy (2015)Bodyguard
Please don't lynch me, k?

[SnakePlissken]

Neither Jennifer Parker as a 1 shot deputy in 85 or a bodyguard in 2015 make any sense. Hmm.

[Maruchan]

SNnake lets not play outguess the mod.

If you eel like playing outguess the mod, I will immediately full-claim so you can outguess the mod for me too.

[Dekes]

D1 Vote count #8

Antifinity

(L-1) - kiwieagle, PeregrineV, xvart, havingfitz, LordChronos, MagnaofIllusion

LordChronos

(L-5): vezokpiraka, Shadow Dancer

Maruchan

(L-6): Starbuck

SnakePlissken

(L-6): ooba

Shadow Dancer

(L-6): Maruchan

kiwieagle

(L-6): Antifinity

Not voting (1)

- SnakePlissken

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch and 7 to no lynch.

Deadline expires in (expired on 2011-09-13 19:30:00)

V/LAs:

LordChronos:

9/12 - 9/18

MagnaofIllusion:

9/9 - 9/12

Shadow Dancer

,

havingfitz

,

kiwieagle

(second time) and

PeregrineV

(second time) prodded.

[havingfitz]

Fine.

v/LA until Monday

As noted in my sig block, I'm not around much on weekends.

[havingfitz]

PS...

it hadn't been focking 48 hours yet when the prod went out.

That's twice I've received early prods.

I hate focking 48 hours deadlines.

[vezokpiraka]

Deadline is in two days. Are we lynching LC or anti?