Mini 1755: Game Over

[Dierfire]

VOTE COUNT 1.06

Pisskop (3): Burning_Earth, AlwaysInnocent, Keyser Söze
Keyser Söze (2): Deus Asmoth, Ircher
AlwaysInnocent (2): Heat, pisskop
UpTooLate (1): lilac
AxleGreaser (1): Performer
Ircher (1): Raskolnikov

No Vote (3): UpTooLate, massive, AxleGreaser

With 13 players living it takes 7/13 votes to lynch.

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(expired on 2016-01-20 12:00:00)

NOTES

Burning_Earth and lilac have been prodded.

[Keyser Söze]

@AxleGreaser

- less talk about my "noob interaction style" and more on

this

game

There are two tasty exchanges to get your teeth into:

pisskop vs AlwaysInnocent

Raskolnikov vs Keyser Söze

[UpTooLate]

Townreading Heat and UTL at this point.

Why?

Was going to ask the same thing.

[Deus Asmoth]

???

your response to my point that you have no case is to try to claim a well placed selfvote is scummy?

This is a strange thing to say. When is voting for yourself ever 'well placed'? What was the point you were trying to prove, and why pull a 180 in less than 12 hours? You've been asked about your intent a few times now and haven't answered anyone.

[Heat]

Initial reads

AlwaysInnocent [town-lean] (I had initial problems with his playstyle, but after re-reading his posts I am seeing town-motivation in his interactions)

Spoiler:

Ircher [town-lean] (after the confusion with his use of "most scummy"/"scummiest" clarified, I like his reactions better - more natural, less illogical)

Spoiler:

AxleGreaser [null-town-lean] (I like his attention to detail and his close perspective of people's position. He is happy to follow up his questioning until fully satisfied. I feel like his probing has purpose.)

Spoiler:

The only one who I agree with here is AG. Ircher seems incredibly intent to frame pisskop in a way that strikes me as really scummy. He suggests a PL, but then doesn't vote him because he doesn't want to push him up to L-1. He even acknowledges that he's likely to be wrong. That doesn't make a lot of sense to me, and it kinda signals to me that he knows more than the rest of us, aka he's scum.

I'm currently voting for AI (orig. it was a RVS vote, but I'm quite comfortable with it right now). Like who just refuses to discuss their reads list because the other person hasn't contributed? its a reads list, and you must have reasons for them. And I'd like to know them.

I like AG for town right now. He's engaged and is asking other people questions, and he doesn't seem like he has anything to hide. I'm in agreement with you there.

[Heat]

I also don't like Ras. I've barely done anything to deserve a townread. It's come out way too quickly.

[AlwaysInnocent]

Ircher, what do you think about the game so far? I am interested to hear your thoughts.

[pisskop]

???

your response to my point that you have no case is to try to claim a well placed selfvote is scummy?

This is a strange thing to say. When is voting for yourself ever 'well placed'? What was the point you were trying to prove, and why pull a 180 in less than 12 hours? You've been asked about your intent a few times now and haven't answered anyone.

I guess I didnt make my intent clear enough

[pisskop]

what a strange line of questioning to pursue at the exclusion of all else

[Deus Asmoth]

???

your response to my point that you have no case is to try to claim a well placed selfvote is scummy?

This is a strange thing to say. When is voting for yourself ever 'well placed'? What was the point you were trying to prove, and why pull a 180 in less than 12 hours? You've been asked about your intent a few times now and haven't answered anyone.

I guess I didnt make my intent clear enough

I guess you didn't, and are making a point out of not doing so. Perhaps you should make it clearer rather than pointing out that you have not done so.

[pisskop]

I dont care about your question. Post some content now you creepy ass avatar.

[pisskop]

Clear enough?

[pisskop]

what a strange line of questioning to pursue at the exclusion of all else

Any time you want to actually join the game

[Ircher]

Ok, so here's my comments:

1. I think there's a misunderstanding between Heat and me. The reason why I sugget PL Pisskop was because he was unpleasant and self-voted. As explained in my first game here, self-voting is objectively bad and good evidence of scum. I did not vote because I am wary of mislynches. Which, in Newbie 1666, you will be able to see I tend to err on the cautious side of things. Not to mention that we had three mislynches in a row that game (Zombie, who self-voted, Jake, who was being stubborn and uncooperative, and myself, because we were in lylo and there was lke a wall between me and DoTA who was town.) My reaction is normal.

2. When I mentioned looking at my game, I meant mainly about why self-vote = bad.

Reads
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Known Town - Ircher - Role PM

Likely Town - Keyser and AI

Leaning Town - Performer (Nothing extreme, seems logical), Heat (Heat is fairly new like me. I can understand why he's suspicious of me considering PL pisskop yet not doing anything)

Neutral - Pisskop - His bd attitude at the start of the game annoys, but other than his constant ranting, I really cannot say anything against him.

Lean Scum - Axle - I haven't seen him do much scumhunting except focusing on my first few posts. Nonetheless, he has seemed to respond in a logical manner.

Likely Scum - Rad - 189 is ridiculous. Pisskop wasn't even at L-1 then. Then, 132 is rather ridiculous imo and just an attempt to frame me. He says alarm bells but doesn't explain why. Rather than ask me, he has jumped straight to faulty conclusions.

With that said,

VOTE: Rad

[Ircher]

By Rad I meant Ras; I misread the name.

[pisskop]

/what a well worded way to say 'I was wrong and I dont want to die for my beliefs'

[Ircher]

@Pisskop
You talking to me?

The suggestion of PLing someone has nothing to do with if they're scum or not. It's more of "This person is a troll who is making the game extremely unpleasant." It has nothing to do with right or wrong.

[Deus Asmoth]

I dont care about your question. Post some content now you creepy ass avatar.

What an interesting response from someone who refuses to post anything of worth themselves. Regardless, as far as I can see there are two possibilities here:
1, You're town and acting like a jerk for reasons unknown.
2, You're scum trying to get people to lay off you by voting for yourself and acting hyper aggressive.

The second seems more likely to me, so here's your content, I guess.

VOTE: pisskop

Raskol:

how is what Performer was talking about irrelevant to the game?

[pisskop]

Good, now if youre done wasting our time sit in the corner.

[pisskop]

Anything with a gif in it and more than 2 lines of text is getting ignored.

I have like no patience for most of Axle v keysor. Its a thing.

We're like brothers. This is how I know he is scum.

This is not like AI's behaviors with regard to me, or in general. Its much more pointed than any other experience I have with him, and is a reason I scumread him. Plus its offhanded to the point of being slightly insulting.

Has anyone seen these guys?:

This makes Keysor more town, but gdi I was skimming and actually thought I missed the music note posting. annoying


I completely forgot I answered the questions regarding my intent in 126,127,128. That makes the completely noncontentful Deus a scumread even more for being stupid and getting caught not reading.
I townlean axle and townread Massive.
I have no experience with heat either way, but they seem to be taking an involved stance and open to change. Thats usually a town trait.

AI is scummy, and shame on you who doesnt think so and isnt thir buddy. Deus reacted like oppurtunistic scum and can eat the rope too.

[pisskop]

@Pisskop
You talking to me?

The suggestion of PLing someone has nothing to do with if they're scum or not. It's more of "This person is a troll who is making the game extremely unpleasant." It has nothing to do with right or wrong.

Yea. I had hoped it was obvious enough even you could pick up on it?

Its about reactions. You going to walk into more of those setups?

[pisskop]

Meh. I dont doubt Icher is being genuine about not liking my posts *shrugs*, but its not entirely alignment indicative, its just not likeing the tone. Plenty of scum would call it out and mean it.

I did like how he interacted with keysor, so thats something.

[AlwaysInnocent]

Meh. I dont doubt Icher is being genuine about not liking my posts *shrugs*, but its not entirely alignment indicative, its just not likeing the tone.

Plenty of scum would call it out and mean it.

I did like how he interacted with keysor, so thats something.

[pisskop]

I like how you furthered the game with that post. Im glad thats the one thing y6ou pulled from my posts.

[AlwaysInnocent]

This is so not your town game.