I mean this steaming pile of shit specificallyIn post 1219, Bitmap wrote:Even if Mastina is town we should just lynch her if the 1v1 keeps going, and even if she's scum we would take the forced ceasefire so that we can actually gamesolve and as her pro-town option.
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"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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That's where my head's at.In post 1240, mastina wrote:
Good fucking god is it actually just really that easy?In post 1238, Reundo wrote:OK, I finished catching up. Reads:
{Bitmap, Klick} <- TOWN
{Jingle, Mena, Chemist} <- TOWN-LEAN
{hito, Alisae, Shadoweh, Kerset} <- NULL
{ofrhz, jjh} <- SCUM-LEAN
{mastina} <- SCUM
I spent way too long trying to write up an in-depth reads list and only got like halfway-through, then realized it was kind of pointless and a waste of time, which makes me sad. Will probably end up elaborating on these more later, but I'm way too tired as is.
VOTE: mastina
Is it really just Bitmap-Kerset-Gammaslot?
Because holy shit.
It sure as fuck feels that way.
I think if I were to make a readslist right now it would look ridiculous because I currently have a reasonably firm TR on everyone in the game who is not those 3 people"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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Hito, to be clear;
I don't understand why the throwaway defence would be made as either alignment, but that doesn't mean it's not AI if you can figure it out. I just can't rn. There are other things that occurred when it got pushed that I think definitely do indicate alignment and I'm particularly interested in what happens after Kerset reappears following disappearing mid conversation"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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I'll put it in words that cannot be misunderstood
I scumread Bitmap
Other people are townreading him for shitty generalisations that are being used as counterarguments to the main reasons I scumread him
I have stated that these arguments are bad, and furthermore why I think they are bad, and that there appear to be quite a lot of them
This is in order to convince other people they are wrong
The examples you have provided about generalisations about Mastina basically amount to Alisae saying Mastina should scumread Alisae. I don't think this is a very good argument either.
If you think people might have their reads off about Mastina because of generalisations such as that one, then WHY ARE YOU VOTING MASTINA"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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Still Kerset. Kerset is my top scumread independent of you, though I won't deny I think a Kerset red flip would look bad for you right now.In post 1293, Bitmap wrote:@jj: bitmap green flip, where would you go and what are your thoughts?
Probably also the gamma slot.
Assuming green flip is by lynch there'd be the wagon info but nobody is wagoning you so this is a difficult hypothetical. If you expand to people I have minor suspicions of at this moment, they have been saying you're town"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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Which slot are we talking about hereIn post 1319, Bitmap wrote:You really think scum!Kerset would hard defend a scum slot and not just bus them for ez credit?"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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NSG is supposed to be carrying my team so this is a contract violationIn post 1327, Bitmap wrote:RC wanted me to leave a message for those of you asking for NSG that she's too good for y'all and that y'all suck."As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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In post 838, ofrhz wrote:WRT Kerset meta
This is his only scumgame on site:
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It’s actually really lackluster in terms of having zero fake scumhunting and forgetting to use his vote entirely. The tone is fine but a little less quippy than when he is town.
It’s possible he’s getting help here, but I think I’m actually going to table this scumread for now.
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But you're totally neglecting the part where I interact with whoever happens to be there when I am and use that to place them and others, which is how I end up voting people like Kerset when a bunch of other people have expressed townreads there. That's not how I'd go about changing the gamestate. It involves changing people's minds."As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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I'm sure you know that aspect of my play. Because it used to be exclusively my townplay and sure, now I can do it as scum too, for as long as I can stay enthusiastic, but it's weird that you're seeing something I was doing as early as spring fever and interpreting it completely wrong
PEdit: Not for lack of trying. But I pointed that out because changing people's minds is A. Hard and B. Opens you up to more accountability."As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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Yeah but I mean this has basically always been my playstyle as town and only more recently have I been able to mimic elements of it as scumIn post 1371, Alisae wrote:man jjh, tbh, Spring Fever was a long time ago and I don't really remember that game."As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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Kerset, Gammaslot, Bitmap scum
In order of likelihood.
Basically everyone else is some degree of town
Ofrhz town but maybe scum but I don't think ofrhz is scum with Kerset.
You have also at various points been a town but maybe scum but you've probably gone up again
Menalque has slipped a bit from being hard town since my last list
Most people are pretty damn hard town rn though. Although actually Klick is definitely in a slightly lower category so deserves mention. Jingle, Shadoweh and Hito all look very town. Mastina and Chemist are townreads I probably won't ever drop."As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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Thing is, Ali, I don't think compromise beteeen us is gonna achieve anything other than a Reundo lynch
Wouldn't be that much of an issue I guess, but then we're right back to this place where one of us is highly likely to be wrong about at least one hard townread
I kinda need to go to bed. It's 9:26 am"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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I could go on discord and find them, but in short skitter has been disagreeing with me a lot. Often comically timed for whenever my read on someone changed. I'd hash this out but Skitter isn't fully caught upIn post 1382, Alisae wrote:what are skitter's reads?
Eg Skitter scumreads Mastina, townreads Bitmap and Kerset, and would be voting Hito"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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The point behind it kind of makes sense as a stalking horse thing. Scum shop for wagons and if they fail they can come back to the 1V1.In post 1383, Alisae wrote:
Also what do you think of this?In post 1219, Bitmap wrote:
So RC thinks we can find scum but thinks the gamestate is at a point where giving reads is not a good time right now. He thinks when we or when anyone else catches scum, it'll be pretty easy for scum to push either my slot or mastina. This needs to be resolved before there can be any serious approach to hunting for scum.In post 1211, ofrhz wrote:
Did you get the chance to do this?In post 1064, Bitmap wrote:Legends of Hidden Speakeasy II
Also I have reads from NSG but it’s mixed in with RC since we were discussing about it in discord. I’ll paraphrase it later when I’m home from work.
Even if Mastina is town we should just lynch her if the 1v1 keeps going, and even if she's scum we would take the forced ceasefire so that we can actually gamesolve and as her pro-town option.
NSG has no intention of giving reads right now as well until this whole thing settles.
Except. It's not making good observations come from that. You get an ultimatum that Bitmap himself has a hand in instead. The only actual way that could be "resolved" is indeed a lynch, and Mastina is the only one of those two who has ever been close to being lynched. The 1V1 hasn't been distracting from the gamestate. It's only visibly been distracting Bitmap, so it was weird to see him make a post like this without any immediate steps towards deescalation."As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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It's a scumpost through and through. Direct contradiction to things Bitmap has said earlier. Bitmap has been nowhere near being lynched but is still talking about flipping. The only people pushing Bitmap are me and Mastina.In post 1384, Alisae wrote:
also what do you think of thisIn post 1268, Bitmap wrote:I think there's a good chance that scum is hard defending me because they know I'll flip green and am an easy lynch which gives them a vehicle to push jj and mastina to the wall and control game state.
But I really don't care anymore so... yeah.
The scenario like this one I'd expect a person with real thoughts to be concerned about is that scum are driving the Mastina wagon to see it flip town and lynch him day 2. Because in this post he expresses some paranoia and assumes me and Mastina are town, but the scenario is still focused on Bitmap being the victim who gets mislynched. Amusingly I'm pretty sure Bitmap actually said at one point to lynch him if Mastina flips town."As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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You wanted to know skitter's reads and kept asking about it, and she doesn't think you'd go to that much trouble as scum before you know how engaged she is, whereas town!you cares what she thinks.In post 1452, Menalque wrote:Jjh skitt said she was hard TRing me from my early play this game, correct? What was that read based on? Tell her I want her to answer with more than “idk just Tone I guess”"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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I'll need to get to my computer for that, I think.In post 1459, Menalque wrote:Also @jjh what’s the long and short on why you TR mastina and scumread kerset and bitmap?
Kerset is I think page 44 and a couple pages after?"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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I mean the stars have aligned and we've got a bunch of elite players in team fucking mafia who agree on many important details.In post 1583, Menalque wrote:
Nice, wanna vote it thenIn post 1582, jjh927 wrote:I think this is it
But sure
VOTE: Reundo
This is the laziest option, and I said we were probably headed here (before Ali reads fully 180ed), but I don't think it matters what order we lynch scum in."As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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lmao I missed that
If UT flips town I'm gonna dock you survey points"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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Thank fuckIn post 1601, Jingle wrote:
Sure, but let's be honest. If there was a way for FL to play two games and me to just sit in the team PT and setup spec you'd be playing a game with FL right now.In post 1591, jjh927 wrote:Your pure mechanics is better than mine"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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In post 1605, Jingle wrote:
jjh supports UT's TM decision to not let me be an honorary team member. Clearly he's aligned with UT and wants to Delay Aimee.In post 1603, jjh927 wrote:Thank fuck
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That's a post from you, and not an exampleIn post 1612, Bitmap wrote:NSG agrees with my post in 388 where she thinks people treat me as RC's puppet rather than an actual player of this game. It's not to push the agenda of persecution complex but rather she was surprised that people were being in my face about how I was just in the shadow of my team."As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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I'm asking about this because I think NSG has a higher tolerance for what actually construes mistreatment than thisIn post 1614, Alisae wrote:like I don't really care about that play the game"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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Sure but this is either NSG's legitimate take on it or one that she's been locked into advising on. I consider NSG to be far more aware of this kind of thing and less inclined to perceive injustice than either Bitmap or RC, so I think it's actually important here.In post 1617, Alisae wrote:ok but personally I would prefer not to hear about bitmap talk about how he's been mistreated for the 7th time"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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eg I'd expect NSG to see all the shit Bitmap did that is neatly summarised in Mastina's 612 and at most say there is blood on both sides. Whereas the sole victim Bitmap perspective seems less likely from NSG unless it's more of the same propped up by another name.
So like, there's a higher standard of evidence going when it's NSG, and I think it's worth sifting through the shit one last time because there might be a nugget of truth hidden amidst all the poop nuggets."As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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