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absolutely pocketedIn post 1499, Scorpious wrote:And I’m learning to love lists… I have no idea why..-
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moodIn post 1502, Roden wrote:it's from trying to push myself to fairly read Leaf even though he's setting off red flags with everything he posts. His behavior is manipulative, and I recognize his gaslighting techniques from personal experience and can't really see him as town because of it.-
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why not?In post 1541, MalcolmTucker wrote:I struggle to see a world here where mafia Flavor comes out and bats for mafia Mala so earnestly, which is essentially one of Koopa's main arguments here.
debunk FL's read on Malakittens
you can't.
it's the best way you can to defend a slot you are partnered with without having to justify yourself.
of course, the read comes into question when you ask FL to articulate how Malakittens could have designed the pocket — the answer will always be lacking because Malakittens was barely here.
of course, it's questionable for an experienced player like FL to be self-aware in their status as being pocketed and rolling with it
of course, FL is open to be taken out of the pocket
but of course, FL doesn't think mason claiming is inherently scummy even though there was no way for Malakittens to have been strongly townreading FL so much.
but of course, FL would disagree because he would say he has a town PM
this is really a positioning that you would expect from FL as scum, and you are just forced to look at the slot with paranoia because there's a vibe that his playstyle is just being scum whatever their role PM is. i've yet to confirm that, but italiano's remark (way back, forgot which post) hints to this.
im starting to realize why he's don corleone.
that's why we push Malakittens. a red Malakittens at least confirms this theory. (which FL can then debunk by saying he got pocketed >.>)-
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i would even argue that these lines of thought, when used to case someone by "predicting" what scum!them would do at every step and then using that to wagon someone is scummy.In post 1542, JacksonVirgo wrote:I would much prefer, and it would benefit the Town overall, if you keep the theories as low to the initial base assumptions as humanly possible to avoid putting mental effort in forming these trees of arguments which would very likely crash down early game given how large the town pool is compared to scum.
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no, just why i prefer mala over FL. FL, there's always a "hmm but maybe". I feel strongly that the mason claim was scum-motivated (if FL is looking for an exact moment he was pocketed, it's this one right here). I want to build up a pressure on Mala's slot that they'd be forced to be active as soon as they return and spew as much as possible.In post 1548, JacksonVirgo wrote:So you aren't eliminating mala bcuz you think they're scummy? Why not just elim FL directly-
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oh jacksonvirgo is scum and their reaction will be A, B, C, D, E (even though these A, B, C, D, E can also have a town explanation)In post 1550, JacksonVirgo wrote:Sorry can you reword this I don't understand.
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no assumption trees here.In post 1559, JacksonVirgo wrote:
I am only saying that I believe the path the the Town overall seems to be taking, including yourself, is foolish. Building up a tree of assumptions to make a case on somebody when someone scummy by nature exists is not a valid elimination. Take out a single assumption and the whole thing falls down. You seem to be reading both as scum, that claimed masonry with each other yes? That's what I've gotten from reading this context.In post 1558, humaneatingmonkey wrote:can you enlighten me
Take out the assumption that it means anything, because it could very well have just been a lolz moment. It then means nothing in terms of them being aligned at all. Take note of you thinking FL is trying to save scum!mala without doubling down. They've been doing the exact thing with me, I've asked people to comment on it to but nobody has to this exact second.
You are building an assumption tree and ignoring anything else that would counter it, also even if you weren't doing the latter, it is still a bad idea to go so high up in terms of case complexity so early in the game. I am not for either mala nor FL elimination until proven otherwise.
im questioning why malakittens would have any town motivation claiming masons with FL there when 1.) i dont think the material to strongly townread FL exists, 2.) malakittens had limited interaction with the thread at that point in time so there was no way to gague if it was a joke, and 3.) it wasn't played like it was a joke. i seriously think it was designed to get a reaction from the town.-
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it's just that... i really like my wagon yknow?In post 1560, MalcolmTucker wrote:I don't entirely disagree with your argument HEM that a Mala elimination might be useful in terms of giving us info as to who's pushed there and who's gone elsewhere, and I'd probably be okay to back you up on it if I didn't suspect you myself. I dunno, I still think NK15 is our best shout here, but while I fundamentally think mafia were on the Flavor wagon, I'm not at all convinced Roden is particularly suspect despite Flavor's misgivings.
dont let me keep you from building that wagon if that's where you want to go.
i also think roden is town. i entertained roden pocketing me. that would only be useful to think about if i already think roden is scum, which i don't.-
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why would scum claim mason... let's forget about two scum... just think about one scumIn post 1564, JacksonVirgo wrote:Why would scum claim masons on day 1?
to mason bait
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im willing to let that go because that timer's gonna run out, and he's gonna have to show himself up and tell us storiesIn post 1565, MalcolmTucker wrote:My main concern re Mala is their general inactivity, especially given they are under pressure.-
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give me that post numberIn post 1564, JacksonVirgo wrote:Also I keep feeling like everyone keeps silently dismissing my post about FL pocketing me and every time I bring it up. Can someone please respond to that, I am not in the right headspace to be able to gauge it correctly. Or at least tell me that you are not talking about it because it's meaningless, (and if it is, drop the Fl white-kniting mala argument)-
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... yeahIn post 1565, MalcolmTucker wrote:Is there any benefit for scum forcing a mason claim at that point in the game?
... to force masons to claim
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im not gonna shut up about things im thinking about if that's what you want me to doIn post 1569, JacksonVirgo wrote:Why have scum!FL being backing up scum!mala part of the discussion if two scum claiming masons is out of the question, because it is.-
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haven't FL established that he likes pocketing people regardless. it's probably true.In post 1198, JacksonVirgo wrote:
This has absolutely nothing to do with what you said, but quoting it because it made me remember. I've been feeling that FL has been unnecessarily backing me up in everything in a way that seems to me unnatural and purposeful. I do not think they are scum but I am aware that town, including me, love to be town-read so I see it possible that my TL on them is based in that primarily and forcing me to ignore the slight red-flag of that pocket/white-knight and I would love some insight to see if I should continue to put that on the downlow and trust my soul or to follow that read to it's core and see where it lands.In post 1193, koopashell wrote:I think a wolf HEM is spewing NK15 as town in this scenario.
Speaking from a pre-flipped point of view.
he's only ever mean to people who disagree with him or those who scumread him.
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In post 540, Malakittens wrote:Fl is townIn post 541, Flavor Leaf wrote:Sure will.
I think Koopa's just pocketed by ScumHuman.
Can't make it plainer than that.In post 544, Flavor Leaf wrote:I do expect to be put into the position by scum, where one or two will probably push me, then the other(s) town read me, and try to get me to push through a townie to take the heat from it.
If I'm really looking for it, I can see a possible ScumKoopa TMI'ing a TownHuman, but Koopa's vote on to me is just super bad if scum because I definitely feel there's enough momentum to take Koopa out, but that also makes me think KoopaTown if I can see that in the gamestate already.In post 545, Flavor Leaf wrote:
i'll believe it when i see it.In post 542, koopashell wrote:I am very hard to pocket. I do not believe that.
You seem easy to pocket at the moment.In post 547, Flavor Leaf wrote:In post 546, koopashell wrote:The issue is I think you are trying to instigate right now rather than solve, and subtly pushing me in a way that can be backpedaled later.
me instigating is me solving.
I don't believe it's been subtle. I've left you open pretty loudly.In post 549, Flavor Leaf wrote:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=88987In post 548, koopashell wrote:Can you link me to a game where you do something similar as town?
i was April Ludgate, only game in the past year or so. might have had 1 more a while back, but cant remember.
This is for you Roden. Ill choose to give you half since Koopa asked for it. I was gonna just ignore your request.
Eat it up, cuz unless I'm trying to brag about a scum gambit or town epic solve, i probs wont link another due to lazyIn post 551, Malakittens wrote:i hate this game.In post 554, Flavor Leaf wrote:this game's pretty fun if you dont stress over reads too much. Day 1 never should overstress. Day 3+ yeah start to stress.In post 558, Flavor Leaf wrote:
I really don't think Scorpious is scum, and kinda would defend there even if I didnt scum read HEM. Check Scorpious out from that game I just linked. I started to town read him very strongly in the late game there.In post 556, koopashell wrote:Cheers.do you think we could each have a piece of the solve btw?
I have scorpious and you have HEM?
I am going to consider we are clashing because we are on the right track in different directions.In post 560, Flavor Leaf wrote:It's possible, though, but I'm a mason so i have the different pov, obviit took tooooooo long.
also malakittens townreads FL, unstated read.
it was meant to give the impression that it was real.
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haters will say it was an obvious joke immediately and Malakittens was not building up to it.
maybe he'll eventually say it's a joke, maybe they would have double down if no one counter-claimed.
we won't know that.
i just know that malakittens' timing is too sus for it to be a town whose best interest is not to out their PRs.-
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JacksonVirgo wrote:551 easily blends into 557[/postthey're scum that did not have malicious intent behind it.
can you imagine
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do you believe malakittens to be shitty town?In post 1586, JacksonVirgo wrote:I can see shitty Town claiming a masonry with their town-read that's being wagoned. Regrettably done so in the past, off-site.-
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???In post 1590, JacksonVirgo wrote:Can you like not warp my words on purpose. At fucking all. Thanks-
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i meant to do this, to emphasize how absurd it is to sayIn post 1585, JacksonVirgo wrote:they're scum that did not have malicious intent behind it.-
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before i sleep tell me a good night story about why nk15 is a very obviously just a townie blundering aroundIn post 1613, koopashell wrote:NK15 is very obviously just a townie blundering around-
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well thanks for the thought but your thought is useless to me because what i really need is a good night storyIn post 1620, koopashell wrote:
Here's a thought: stop projectingIn post 1615, humaneatingmonkey wrote:
before i sleep tell me a good night story about why nk15 is a very obviously just a townie blundering aroundIn post 1613, koopashell wrote:NK15 is very obviously just a townie blundering around-
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spell it out for me im a monkeyIn post 1631, koopashell wrote:Read their fucking iso my guy.
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