The response I said I'd give earlier, here now that I'm back home.
In post 1675, LicketyQuickety wrote: In post 1669, TheWayItEnds wrote: In post 1662, LicketyQuickety wrote: In post 1658, TheWayItEnds wrote: In post 1655, LicketyQuickety wrote:Fine, whatever. If the mod wants to modkill me its whatevs. Matt is clearly being a jerk and I don't like it.
1645 is not a good post.
Matts response to it was probably nicer than mine would have been.
Matt has not done a damn thing except go after RR this whole day over something that is not at all something that deserves a whole gameday devoted to it. His excuse for this is he only picks one lead at a time. That's pretty convenient that he has pretty much nothing to say on anything else this whole game. It's not even a rock solid case, it can't be proven or disproven and its largely based on circumstantial evidence.
ok.
and?
I'm saying he's putting all his eggs in one basket and that's a terrible approach to the game. I have given a town read on someone before just because they did the same thing. But here's the thing, I think he's doing it on purpose. I think he may have found RR's crumb and is doing everything he can to get RR lynched because of it. This all assumes that RR is telling the truth about laying down a crumb, sure. So basically, if RR can prove he laid a believable crumb we have a new lynch candidate. If RR declines to provide the crumb then I'll be on board with lynching RR. It is beyond basic play to point out a crumb if you did it. Leaving a crumb is for exactly this kind of situation. Its possible that RR in desperation is saying he left a crumb that he didn't, granted. But if he did leave a crumb... ehhhh IDK, its looking pretty bad for Matt.
You didn't say here that if you felt the claim was suspect you would be supportive of our wagon. You said here that if we had not crumbed(which, btw, just a thing, Drixx apparently didn't crumb D1 as bomb etc, he made the full bp crumb in
700, and then made a less informative crumb in
946. Those were both on day 2.), then you should be suspicious of us. We did, in fact crumb. MattP first voted us today and laid out his case in
854. Those are facts. We did crumb, and MattP did make an overt move against our slot after the crumb. Does that mean what you insinuated it means? Who fucking knows, by itself it doesn't tell us anything. BUT it does mean what you're doing now does not match up with what you said you would do earlier, and you haven't given a satisfying reason for *why* that is the case.
In post 2071, LicketyQuickety wrote: In post 2068, Reasonably Rational wrote:Like, is the problem seriously that you, MattP, don't believe that I would ask the mod for clarification how my role function when received, and then ask a specific question when new information becomes available?
Just so I know that I'm arguing with nonsense, so I can stop wasting my limited time refuting the incorrect conclusions others lack of reading comprehension and/or confbiasing are leading them to.
-Cerb
OK, maybe this is a stupid question, but how do you not know how BP works?
I know how I expect BP to work. I don't know how the mod expects BP to work. Assumptions are bad.
In post 2074, LicketyQuickety wrote:This is what
should
have happened with the claim/crumb:
"You're Scum"
"I crumbed"
"where?"
"here"
"OK, you are not CC so you can live"
Does anyone else not see this?
See? I don't understand how you're supporting my lynch, vocally at least, but you post things like this, which at least *seem* to indicate that you don't think the way play has gone since our claim makes sense.
Just quoted this here to support the above points about it not making sense. I am confused LQ. Please help me stop being confused. Seriously.
Okay, anyways, fuck the entirety of what's been going on here. What the hell is with all the people just floating along not interacting while the entire day is spent with us defending ourselves. Seriously, here's a fucking link:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=94&t=62375
Read that. Read 10% of it. Yes, just 10%. We ARE fucking capable of destroying this fucking game AND willing to put the time in to make it happen.
Cephrir, MattP - you're both too smart to just let today be ONLY about us. Hell, this goes out to everyone:if you're town, and you spent the day arguing with us, just set that aside, and work with us to spend the rest of the day actually accomplishing things - instead of letting people just use us as a smokescreen. Let's not make the ONLY thing town gets out of today be "Oh, they were honest. Well, shit, that sucks, we should have probably forced more interactions with more slots." There are a lot of people who are just...kinda...here. There are too many of them for them to all be scum, but there is an extreme amount of either scum hiding or town apathy happening here. We need to find out which. If you want to lynch us at the end of the day for "reasons", at least then today will have actually been useful.
I'm going to go through the playerlist alphabetically now like I started doing earlier before I got sick of it.
Botlane: Seriously, what are you guys doing? Are you still both busy? Absolutely no thoughts on anything? Avoiding the thread because, ya know, there's lots of noise to hide in?
Davesaz: Any thoughts on any slots other than ourselves, Botlane, TWiE, or MM? I think those are the reads you've given out so far today.
Firebringer: You said earlier today to merge the votes to form one big wagon, and then proceeded to vote on someone who didn't have any votes on them(or maybe just had 1? I would need to double check VC's, I do know it was on Botlane, not one of the leadering wagons). I get that that may have been your strongest scumread at the time, but what were you trying to accomplish with that vote?
Heartless: I don't fucking know. Talk to me, pick a subject, pick a player, let's talk about it. You don't give reasons for your reads, mostly. You just kinda quote posts and say ewww, or respond immediately from reading your iso itself I see where you're at, but I don't see *why* you're there.
HerryPanther: You have no content, 18 posts. There is nothing I can talk to you about. See what I said to Botlane.
Kthxbye: I love you because even though you don't have much content, you give me actual things to read. You said this "I think there has to be at least 1 scum here: HerryPanther, pisskop, Reasonably Rational
I think there has to be at least 1 scum here: TWIE, davesaz, Teridax, LQ"
Can you explain what lead to the separation of those two lists? Why isn't it just I think there's 2 scum is this larger group, instead of the exclusiveness. I assume there's a reason. Share please.
LQ: See above.
Mastin: This is weird. Established meta is that she runs the game, and she's not doing that here...but, well, now she's pulling out the "oh, I'm always behind, stop posting so much card..." And that's a thing she started to pull out in Inorganic. We need to reevaluate. So, give us some more reason to think you're town Mastin, I want you to just start contributing again. You're a massive fucking asset if your head is in the game, so get your head in the game.
MonkeyMan576: You're, well, terrible. Like, if performers play yesterday was obvscum, I don't think there exists words to describe how terribly scummy you are. Have you done ANYTHING this game? You've snarked to respond to some people, and you've lurked to the point of oblivion.
You know. I've just been skimming ISO's, but I think I'm gonna take a second and delve a bit deeper into his. He has 42 posts.
-Cerb