Toriel's Patience (end)

[Lazy Shirou]

Actually you're my weakest town read now that I think about it

[Dannflor]

VOTE: taly

[Taly]

ugggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[Taly]

actually this might finally help me solve, please case against me

dann

[Lazy Shirou]

spicy

gotta go play more genshin now

but that's a hell of a vote

[Meuh]

meuh

can you link some of your town and scum games?

I've played scum 3 times this year:
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viewtopic.php?t=90239
viewtopic.php?t=90999

and 3 recent town games:
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viewtopic.php?t=91727
viewtopic.php?t=91199

[Dunnstral]

I want more discussion in this day

I think there's a point at which more discussion will be a strictly bad thing because, vis a vis my last post, it's probably just going to hurt morale/engagement until we get some info to go off of. Of course if you're now not feeling good about the Alisae wagon then etc, but I think prolonging the day for the sake of wanting more discussion broadly is just going to cause consternation when the trajectory of most of this game right now is summed up by a sentiment that I think I mentioned earlier where it feels like no matter who comes under the spotlight, they will find a way to worm their way out of it. Mandate's presence in the game was i think good in a way because Mandate eventually found someone that it seemed they weren't going to waver on (Meuh). But everyone in this game now seems inclined to waver constantly, which I'm not saying makes them scummy (it doesn't) nor that it's bad play (i don't think it is, but i think that could be debated). But it does make it viscerally feel like no progress is being made.

also I was trying to remember just what games it was that made implo scared of me which had me re-reading my older games and omg i am cringing so hard jesus christ

I think i'm proud of the fact that i can reread games from like, within the past 5ish years and they don't make me cringe that much, but gosh reading old games is truly extremely cringe-inducing

My current feelings: I still think Random Nurse is the slot I think is being prematurely PoE'd because I still think Ari was in her scumrange. I feel better about Taly being town. I don't specifically see what in Bingle's posting is making Taly feel better about the slot, and I think the Brown Eyes single post I was reading off of is sort of not really up to the standard of this game at this point, so I want to consider Bingle more. I still feel good about Keyleth as town. I think I'm probably being premature when my gut says to take Meuh out of the PoE; I think probably she should still be in there when compared with the rest of the game, she's had like, some good individual posts but I don't really feel like she's done much that isn't fakeable as a scum who pops in to the thread, does a round of Faking Stuff, then leaves; i.e., I don't think she has any particularly challenging-to-fake progressions, or particularly original/nuanced reasoning that would be hard to fake, or anything like that. A part of her recent posting feels a little bit defeatist, and I don't want to use that term in a negative way exactly - just like, compare someone like Taly, who seems viscerally annoyed that she keeps finding new reasons to townread people. Like, I suspect Taly is going to read this post I'm making right now and go "fuck, i guess i was right that implo was town" and be annoyed at that. I think that's the emotional state that this game is kind of imposing on townies, and I don't really get any feeling of deep concern over the correctness of Meuh's reads coming from her. She's kind of parked her opinion on me to be some sort of broad suspicion but not a push. She did the case on me after ISOing me but like, from what I can tell she has not substantively commented on a post I have made in around five days. I don't think that's the behavior of town who has the stance she does on me in the gamestate we're in, where like, I think the average voice in this game is mostly-but-not-confidently townreading me. She should be either talking to people about why I'm scum, or looking at my posts and evolving her read on me in response to them, or trying to suss me out, or like, interacting with me or my content in any way.

Unvote

VOTE: Meuh

I've re-convinced myself. Still okay with an Alisae lim as well now though, but.

These posts seem pretty towny to me.

[Dunnstral]

if you think scum is okay with the gamestate, what mutually agreed upon townreads do you think are wrong?

That’s the problem, innit?

I don’t really see anyone as super scummy. I do think I’ve come up with a way to vastly improve our EV that may have been missed in the design of the setup though.

VOTE: No elimination

I... don't take immediate issue with this idea.

If we eliminate, we run to risk of dwindling our town pool for going the mercy route.

Arguably the people we choose to eliminate today wouldn't have been in contention for being spared.

[Dunnstral]

okay i caught up
I think
Ari, Bee, Sakura, Shirou, Taly, and Key are all probably town.
Brown eyes is probably town as well.
Then there's Merlyn, Dunn, and Meuh. Meuh is kind of just unreadable to me.
And then there's Dann Implo Mandate
and I think Dann is the most suspicious. I think Dann's read on me is technically fine but I think they overexplained and overjustified it and I think that comes across as wolfy to me. They also screamed wolf to me early.
I think Dann is teammates w/ Implo

Subject: Election! | GAME OVER

I think LLD, Pooky, and ActionDan are powerwolfing this game.
I feel like a lot of the LLD TRs stem from their interactions with Cakez, I don't really agree.
I feel like LLD is just pushing town based on her pushes. Doesn't feel like she wants to be right.

Meowth in particular just feels like it's a pretty easy elim and I feel like LLD and Pookers are wolves on the wagon. I think that makes sense for what is happening in this game.
I feel like they're just playing their own game and I empathize with their reads it feels it comes from someone who is having trouble getting into the game.
Though honestly I think I have more problems with the people who want the guy dead than the player itself.

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Furtive I think I am going to need more time with, he seems different more sane here. I think the player should actually just be easier to read as we get deeper into the game.
Bingle is probably town in this game tbh, I think he's being played like a fiddle.
I liked Skrew's early game and I can buy town trying to engage with cakez the way he did early
I really like Enchant early Datisi vote I think that is probably just town motive.
Xofelf I am keeping my eyes on and refuse to elaborate any further.
I think I buy that std believes his meowth read.
GL's posts are pretty hard for me to parse but I want to say he is a villager I think him voting Herta for treasurer seems town motivated.
I will buy that Herta/Gimli is town in this game.
I feel like I don't remember a single unowen post.
I think Cakez is town I don't think their interactions with LLD are overplayed they feel natural.
Bloodbot is obvtown

There are surface level similarities between these two posts between this game and another game where you replaced as town (that you pointed out)

[Alisae]

If majority is not achieved by deadline, I will privately contact the mafia to decide on behalf of the town.

WHERE IS BEE

[Dunnstral]

I want to emphasize AGAIN that:

If Dunn is town we only need 5 correct TRs to win here.

Start discussing a consensus townblock if there's nothing else to discuss.

A townblock of 5 people to be clear

No reason whatsoever to include people there other than the 5 towniest slots

It would just give a chance for scum to insert themselves

I would like if more people engaged with this.

[Alisae]

I have at least 5 townreads go work with those people

[Taly]

UNVOTE:

[Sakura Hana]

Been without home internet for over 26 hours.

[Bingle]

Arguably the people we choose to eliminate today wouldn't have been in contention for being spared.

It’s more that we’ve pretty much reached a foregone conclusion that we’re sparing you and the information from your flip would let me have at least some solid ground from which to start trying to piece this together.

The elims themselves are largely irrelevant to our wincon if we’re definitely going spares.

Not that that matters.

[Bingle]

This was already mentioned, makes sense Bingle wouldn't know but how did Taly not know?

Kinda strikes me as weird that you’re giving me this pass when I’m listed as the setup reviewer. Granted, I reviewed the setup like 2 years ago, but still.

[beeboy]

I think i'll be able to get to this tomorrow work just kinda piled up this weekend :V

[Alisae]

I think i'll be able to get to this tomorrow work just kinda piled up this weekend :V

hi please solve this game and tell me who to vote tyvm

[Dunnstral]

I think my flip would only be informative if I were mafia. I don't think me flipping town will change any opinions, really, and I don't have faith that people will listen to me once I'm dead unless I present a compelling argument beforehand.

You being the setup reviewer is news to me, at least. I imagine a lot of players don't really pay attention to that.

[Freedom]

VOTE: taly

Is this because of Taly's read progression on you that you brought up in 1843?

[Isis]

Votecount 1.10

() -

he/him

Dannflor

(0) -

he/him

Random Nurse

(1) - Bingle

He/him

Lazy Shirou

(1) - Meuh

He/him

Bingle

(0) -

Meuh

(2) - Ydrasse, implosion

She/her

Sakura Hana

(0) -

She/her

Freedom

(1) - Alisae

he/him, they/them

Keyleth

(1) - Random Nurse

She/her

Ydrasse

(0) -
She

Alisae

(1) - Lazy Shirou

Taly

(1) - Dannflor

He/She

implosion

(1) - beeboy

he/him

beeboy

(2) - Dunnstral, Toriel

Not Voting

- Keyleth, Freedom, Sakura Hana, Taly, (4)

(expired on 2023-11-17 12:17:50)

[Lazy Shirou]

/shrug

VOTE: Meuh

[Taly]

Increased teaching assistant workload brcause someone is sick, grant proposal is due, insurance denials, exams

I'm going VLA until Thursday.

[Freedom]

TBH it would be nice to hear more from the lower content posters.

[implosion]

I feel I’m at the point where I have little or nothing to add today and am ready for a flip but gosh those wagons are small