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Day 2 Vote Count
Setael- 3 (Shanba, Patrick, xyzzy)
mneme- 2 (Thin_Man, Jack)
Thin_Man- 1 (mneme)
Not Voting- 4 (Jdodge, schismatized, Rishi, Setael)Last edited by Thesp on Wed Sep 12, 2007 8:25 am, edited 1 time in total."When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." -Reiner Knizia
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Rishi A Meer townie
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re Dylan (and now Setael): I do think he's scummy (and was therefore wiling to vote for him) -- but the info we got from dylan was pretty vague. The self-conciousness thing is interesting, but I wasn't taking it into account.
Re rishi vs Tall_man: there are other reasons not to shift your vote than trying to avoid accusation of vote hopping -- specifically, the reasons you want to avoid vote hopping in the first place. Among other things, if you don't leave a vote on long enough to make an impression, you don't really get much info.
Rishi: yes, I get that you're a guy. But it's a name that codes as "female" in my head and we were discussing a specific quote.
And since it bothers people...unvote
vote: Rishi
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Rishi, I'll consider that a welcome.
Correct me if I've missed any, but it looks like the reasons that there are votes on Dylan are:
1) He was hesitant to take SSF to L-1
2) He has played badly in other games
3) He looked self-aware in posts 5-6
Not to echo Jack, but...
(Post 177)Jack wrote:I don't think the evidence is so strong on dylan after all, I did some reading.
I can understand why Jack didn't provide what he read that changed his mind. It makes sense to make Dylan defend himself rather than doing it for him. I don't know what Dylan would say if he were here, but I can give a pbpa on the swing from xyzzy and why I personally don't blame Dylan for being hesitant to vote SSF.
Post 93: Ms. Piggy votes SSF, gives vague "I don't like your posts" reason
Post 96: JDodge votes SSF, calls him out for being wary of suspicion
Post 97: Shanba votes SSF, sole reason "This wagon needs more support."
Post 117: Rishi votes SSF, says he seems unnecessarily worried about possible deadlines
Post 124: Ms. Piggy unvotes SSF says she "would rather vote Xyzzy than anyone else right now."
Post 125: Mneme votes SSF, sole reason is to avoid lynching Xyzzy
Post 127: schismatized votes SSF, sole reason is he doesn't think anyone is buying the deadline excuse
Post 143: Dylan's hesitation that everyone jumped on
Post 144: schismatized effectively pressures Dylan into voting
Post 145: Dylan votes
Post 150: Ms. Piggy hammers without giving any reason. In fact, not long before she'd said she'd much rather vote Xyzzy, and then she more recently was suspecting schismatized and Rishi.
So basically, I don't blame hesitation, considering only a few of the people who voted for SSF had a decent reason to be jumping on that wagon.
As for #2, I can't defend that but it seems it only came up because Dylan wasn't around so the only thing that could be attacked was his play in other games. #3 is funny because that's a lof of why SSF got lynched and he was Town.
I am surprised that once SSF came up town, no one bothered to look back at xyzzx, considering so many people seemed to REALLY think he was scum before the swing. I think there's a good chance at least one mafia was influential in pulling the vote off xyzzx, and then in spite of all these reasons they cited for thinking xyzzx was scum, never taking the discussion back to him.
Looking at the swing voters, I think Shanba looks the scummiest. He was the second to vote xyzzx which is nice and safe, but then as soon as other people are agreeing that xyzzx looks really scummy, Shanba eases off his vote. Attention is smoothly diverted toward SSF and and I can see a very relieved Shanba posting his SSF vote in 97 (with no reason, mind you).
Second prize goes to schismatized for looking almost as scummy as Shanba
Post 110-schismatized wrote:I think that wagon got a lot of info from xyzzy. If someone had to die right now, it would be him. Its much to early for that so i am going to unvote vote: Mert.
Much too early for xyzzy to die, and yet only a few posts later it's not too early for SSF to die? Also, schismatized never gave us this "a lot of info" that was gleaned from xyzzy's wagon, and hasn't bothered to ever give it actually, or bring suspicion back to xyzzy. Super scummy imo.
The rest of the swingers don't seem quite as scummy to me, though none of them really look Town either if you look at that wagon. I'd like every one of the swingers to explain to me why they never tried to bring the vote back to xyzzy when they were so SURE xyzzy was scum.
As for the rest of the thread:
I thought this in Post 164 looked contrived:
Rather than echoing Patrick on this point, I'll just say that when it comes to that hammer, I agreed with this in Post 169:Jack wrote:Mert seems pro town, calling for a claim that early seems bold for scum. Oh wait he died so this is right.Patrick wrote:It's easy for you to just say, "Oh it was obviously a noob mistake". Obviously the whole reason I pointed it out was because I thought it would be slightly more likely coming from noobscum than noobtown. Not going to lynch you over that but I see no reason to just ignore it.
I think it's a lot more likely for a new player to hammer in that case if they were scum than if they were town.
I also, however, agree with Rishi in Post 187:
I think Patrick was more likely to voice his frustration about the hammer with a knowledge that SSF was town. He said posts in Twilight have been allowed in his other games, but I don't think they've been allowed in any games I've been in. Which is more common?Rishi wrote:It makes a difference that it was in twilight because we didn't know the result yet. Only Mafia would have known for sure that somestrangeflea was a townie.
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Just a quick post for now about the twilight thing.
I don't see what's a big deal here. I was frustrated because we'd lynched early and based on not much that I could see. Also, I'm allergic to lynching without a claim because it's terrible play. As for posting in twilight, I don't think I can remember a game I've played in before this where it wasn't allowed. And I've played in over 30. Maybe the games I've played in have been a series of anomalies (shrug).Satael wrote:I think Patrick was more likely to voice his frustration about the hammer with a knowledge that SSF was town. He said posts in Twilight have been allowed in his other games, but I don't think they've been allowed in any games I've been in. Which is more common?Primpod 11:13 pm
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You've played in over 30 games where posting was allowed in twilight and you don't understand why you're being criticized for it? It's a common argument in games I've seen.Patrick wrote: I don't see what's a big deal here. I was frustrated because we'd lynched early and based on not much that I could see. Also, I'm allergic to lynching without a claim because it's terrible play. As for posting in twilight, I don't think I can remember a game I've played in before this where it wasn't allowed. And I've played in over 30. Maybe the games I've played in have been a series of anomalies (shrug).Taking a break from MS. Please send e-mail if you want to get in touch with me.-
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I don't know how I missed this before.mneme wrote: Rishi: yes, I get that you're a guy. But it's a name that codes as "female" in my head and we were discussing a specific quote.
But Rishi is my real name, so I'm a little taken aback by that statement. This has nothing to do with the game, however.Taking a break from MS. Please send e-mail if you want to get in touch with me.-
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Rishi: Typically, in Romance languages (which English is, sort of), names ending in vowels are female. Not a constant, obviously, but takes wrapping one's head around when one encounters an exception, particulary one not using a final "Y". I'll try not to make that particular mistake again, though discussing quotes is an obvious exception.
Posting in twilight isn't necessary scummy (though it is verbotten in this game). It can be seen as a post for appearance's sake only, however, seeing as it doesn't influence the voting compared to the next day's vote (and things for appearance's sake are, of course, scummy by default).
Patrick, any reason you made that post but then backed off on Ms. Piggy/Jack today?Did I say too much?-
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No worries. End of discussion about this.mneme wrote:Rishi: Typically, in Romance languages (which English is, sort of), names ending in vowels are female. Not a constant, obviously, but takes wrapping one's head around when one encounters an exception, particulary one not using a final "Y". I'll try not to make that particular mistake again, though discussing quotes is an obvious exception.
Interesting point. Patrick?mneme wrote: Patrick, any reason you made that post but then backed off on Ms. Piggy/Jack today?
Also, to all of the people who were waiting for dylan's replacement, I think you can speak up now. I had completely forgotten that some of these people were in the game.Taking a break from MS. Please send e-mail if you want to get in touch with me.-
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I would love to, but I'm not sure what you want me to respond to. You seem to think my vote on flea was scummy, which is a common theme I'm hearing, but there's not much I can say to that. You seem to think that I'm scum with xyzzy, though you never mention why you think he's scum, only that you didn't like the way I took my vote off him. I can actually respond to that, as my opinion on his play this game was mediated by seeing him play oddly as town in the game I am modding (in which he is now dead), so I thought that the case against wasn't very strong.
I'm happy you're adding more content than your predecessor, but I still prefer a you lynch to an anyone else lynch, with the perhaps exception of mneme. Rishi's Patrick case is not appealing to me, and though I can see Rishi as scum I've recently decided than focusing on more than one target at a time is a good way to get distracted.(10:50:24 PM) xcaykex: GODDAMNIT I DONT WANNA GET RID OF MY TENTACLE RAPE PORN
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Setael wrote:Mod: Can you please prod schismatized and Shanba?
I would very much like to hear their response to my post (255).Schismatized is being replaced - I have a couple of PMs out now."When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." -Reiner Knizia
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Decent question, mainly I haven't really a got a scumvibe from Jack and his play seems reasonably like how I've seen him play as town in previous games. The point is still there of course, but I don't really have any other complaints.mneme wrote:Patrick, any reason you made that post but then backed off on Ms. Piggy/Jack today?Primpod 11:13 pm
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Rishi A Meer townie
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Well, I think we're going to need somePRODS
The following people have not posted in a while:
JDodge - Last post August 24
xyzzy - Last post August 26
Thin_Man - Last post August 29
Jack - Last post September 1
schismatized also hasn't posted in a while, but Thesp is searching for a replacement.Taking a break from MS. Please send e-mail if you want to get in touch with me.-
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Typical JDodge.JDodge wrote:I am lurking. Discuss.
I do have a question, which I doubt will get answered, but here goes...
JDodge, in your previous post, you stated you were waiting for dylan or dylan's replacement. Well, Setael is here. Any thoughts?
(JDodge will now answer, "No.")Taking a break from MS. Please send e-mail if you want to get in touch with me.-
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He analyzed himself. That'sRishi wrote:
Typical JDodge.JDodge wrote:I am lurking. Discuss.
I do have a question, which I doubt will get answered, but here goes...
JDodge, in your previous post, you stated you were waiting for dylan or dylan's replacement. Well, Setael is here. Any thoughts?
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I don't know what to think of Shanba's reasons for pulling his vote off xyzzy and not bringing him up again. Could be legitimate, could be just an excuse. Now shizmatized is being replaced and won't be able to explain his reasons. I was the most suspicious of those 2, but I'd also like to hear from the others - Ms. Piggy was replaced, but JDodge, Rishi and Mneme could all give their reasons.
Both Jack and schismatized's replacements can't be expected to explain their predecessor's actions, but that doesn't clear their role completely. Ms. Piggy's hammer was quite scummy. Bottom line is, there was a strong following for Xyzzy's wagon and I think if he's Town scum could've seen to it he got lynched. Instead, the vote was pulled off him and none of those who changed their vote to SSF gave a decent reason.Setael wrote:Post 93: Ms. Piggy votes SSF, gives vague "I don't like your posts" reason
Post 96: JDodge votes SSF, calls him out for being wary of suspicion
Post 97: Shanba votes SSF, sole reason "This wagon needs more support."
Post 117: Rishi votes SSF, says he seems unnecessarily worried about possible deadlines
Post 124: Ms. Piggy unvotes SSF says she "would rather vote Xyzzy than anyone else right now."
Post 125: Mneme votes SSF, sole reason is to avoid lynching Xyzzy
Post 127: schismatized votes SSF, sole reason is he doesn't think anyone is buying the deadline excuse
Post 143: Dylan's hesitation that everyone jumped on
Post 144: schismatized effectively pressures Dylan into voting
Post 145: Dylan votes
Post 150: Ms. Piggy hammers without giving any reason. In fact, not long before she'd said she'd much rather vote Xyzzy, and then she more recently was suspecting schismatized and Rishi.-
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I never voted for xyzzy and never really suspected him. So, no explanation necessary.Setael wrote:I don't know what to think of Shanba's reasons for pulling his vote off xyzzy and not bringing him up again. Could be legitimate, could be just an excuse. Now shizmatized is being replaced and won't be able to explain his reasons. I was the most suspicious of those 2, but I'd also like to hear from the others - Ms. Piggy was replaced, but JDodge, Rishi and Mneme could all give their reasons.Taking a break from MS. Please send e-mail if you want to get in touch with me.-
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Heh.JDodge wrote:I am lurking. Discuss.
I'm a little suspicious of JDodge, simply because he's usually active as town. But I've been wrong before.... *ahem*-
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