NY 187: Pariah's Mafia [/FIN]

[pisskop]

Votecount 1.06

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Dragonspawn

- (5) Sword master, Garmr, Aeronaut, Shazam, Annadog40

Prolapsed Brain

- (3) BlueBloodedToffee, duppin, davesaz

TheCow

- (1)

Sword Master

- (1)

davesaz

- (1)

Keyser Söze

- (1) mykonian

garmr

- (1) Boonskiies

Bellaphant

- (1) Dragonspawn

Shazam

- (1) Keyser Söze

Radiant Cowbells

- (1) FA_Q2

mykonian

- (1) Radiant Cowbells

Not Voting:

SilverWrath, Kop, Bellaphant, Kitty Galore, Prolapsed Brain, TheCow, Klingoncelt

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With 21 alive it takes 11 to lynch.
Deadline is 10AUG15, (expired on 2015-08-10 17:00:00)

[dragonspawn]

Ill give you some reads I'm still formulating.

Town reads

Boon - cause he is still awesome. And it just feels like a town boon game so far.

Garmr - cause he has been pressuring me. I'd fully expect him to be bussing scum buddies if he was scum.

Bbt - a bit obnoxious at times but he has his own methods and he is playing similar to the last game when he was town.

Klingon - mostly because I'd be expecting her to be more involved if she was scum. That can change though.

Kitty has a slight town read for me because her posts have been geniune.

Scum leans -

Bella - for reasons previously articulated.

Prolapsed - he has been posting but not exactly providing with much substance. And his reasoning for getting on my wagon was poor.

Anna - slight scum read because she hasn't really done much other than vote for me because Dragon rhymes with wagon. I'd be expecting a bit more by now.

Everyone else is pretty null. I'd like to see more from sword master, kop (wouldn't it be ironic if he was a cop?) The cow and silver.

[Garmr]

@aero hated town should always be claimed so me asking the role isn't a bad thing but only a competent player would know that.

Also that game when I was hider I started off bad but then I got two town confirmed and lynched two scum which included you so don't be bitter you made shit choices and got screwed over because you under estimated also you were kinda obvious scum

[Garmr]

Underestimated me

[davesaz]

Pb unvoted after being asked why his vote was still there. Timing...

[Garmr]

Dave I remember you posting things more indepth and being a little more active are you busy or has your meta changed. Is there a reason?

[Keyser Söze]

I dislike soze's page 5 as well.

Can you please share your reasons for everyone.

[Boonskiies]

RC's obviously in a neighborhood with Garmr if what he said was true. I still like my garmr vote. I'm not supporting the Dspawn wagon. This happens every game he's semi active in Day 1; last time I had to out our best friendship Day 1. Which we lived until end game for a town victory, whattup, even doing the honors of catching a couple scum!

[mykonian]

Hmm, hopefully we can get some consolidation on wagon voting soon.

duppin or soze. Take your pick!

Ill give you some reads I'm still formulating.

Town reads

Boon - cause he is still awesome. And it just feels like a town boon game so far.

Garmr - cause he has been pressuring me. I'd fully expect him to be bussing scum buddies if he was scum.

Bbt - a bit obnoxious at times but he has his own methods and he is playing similar to the last game when he was town.

Klingon - mostly because I'd be expecting her to be more involved if she was scum. That can change though.

Kitty has a slight town read for me because her posts have been geniune.

Scum leans -

Bella - for reasons previously articulated.

Prolapsed - he has been posting but not exactly providing with much substance. And his reasoning for getting on my wagon was poor.

Anna - slight scum read because she hasn't really done much other than vote for me because Dragon rhymes with wagon. I'd be expecting a bit more by now.

Everyone else is pretty null. I'd like to see more from sword master, kop (wouldn't it be ironic if he was a cop?) The cow and silver.

DUDE. And you were doing so well. What the hell is this post?

I dislike soze's page 5 as well.

Can you please share your reasons for everyone.

Aww, want to know your scumtell? Ask when it happens, don't act all worried a couple pages later

[Bellaphant]

That reads list is terrible, two of the town reads are really, really weak (kitty and kc). Dragon - what has bbt done that's alignment indicative? Thoughts on soze, myk and aero?

Myk, why duppin? I liked his posting si far.

[Keyser Söze]

Aww,

want to know your scumtell

? Ask when it happens, don't act all worried a couple pages later

Yes please, do share with us.

I want to know the strength/sincerity of your scum-reads.

[mykonian]

bullshit. You just want something you can argue with. Others are interested in my sincerity, you aren't.

[Keyser Söze]

bullshit. You just want something you can argue with. Others are interested in my sincerity, you aren't.

No - I don't like empty scum-reads/vote. I'd prefer to hear the logic/sincerity behind them. This will help me with my read on you.

[dragonspawn]

That reads list is terrible, two of the town reads are really, really weak (kitty and kc). Dragon - what has bbt done that's alignment indicative? Thoughts on soze, myk and aero?

Myk, why duppin? I liked his posting si far.

Already said they are null so far.

As for bbt he is putting pressure on people and using that to formulate reads. Something I haven't seen from you, which is one of the reasons I'm voting for you.

[Shazam]

In what way is it a misrep? Sorry, just not getting that.

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Eh, depends on really the situation. Like some kind of defensiveness is natural and makes sense in the context of the ISO of whoever is posting, but other times it seems "off" or unwarrented. People who go around yelling "THAT GUY IS DEFENSIVE HE'S A SCUMBLE" at every person who picks apart their own wagon are silly. However, that's a lot different than noticing someone being overly defensive for not quite a lot of threat, eg what happened earlygame with dragon.

You explained yourself how it's a misrep. There's a difference between me saying a) "defensiveness is scummy" and b) "dragon's kind of defensiveness is scummy". I clearly said b), he asked why I said a). I said that was a misrep and explained why, then restated b) in different words. He replied by saying he didn't misrep me and that a) wasn't true (as if that was somehow a counterargument).

@all
I understand that there are some things that you wish to keep to yourselves even as town in terms of reads. But I'm seeing too much of it going on. At the very least, if you have something like this, don't bother mentioning it, and don't use it as a reason for voting someone. Find a reason that you're willing to explain to us, so that we can see why you're reading people the way you are. In other words, once you get this tell that you won't explain, iso the guy and find something you're willing to talk about.

[TheCow]

Getting on a computer in an hour or so. I'll make a #quality post in that time. I apologize for my quiteness up to this point.

[TheCow]

Dragon, I'm curious: as a player, I typically hold onto my reads without sharing unless I have something solid to provide, so I can't exactly understand why you would post your own reads this early. Do you have a particular reason for posting yours so early on into the game? Answering this would be really helpful of you, thanks : )

[dragonspawn]

Because I was asked...

[TheCow]

Okay, just checking. There were no other motivations, then? Alright, thank you : )
Aeronaut has influence enough, then, over you?

[Boonskiies]

I think read lists are good to put out. Gives info if you're Night Killed....or if you aren't. ;0

[TheCow]

I think read lists are good to put out. Gives info if you're Night Killed....or if you aren't. ;0

Of course. Every player should post a reads list at some point today, it is just so soon. I was seeing what motivations, exactly, where behind them being posted now.

[Aeronaut]

@Dragon

Ill give you some reads I'm still formulating.

Town reads

Boon - cause he is still awesome. And it just feels like a town boon game so far.

This isn't very convincing to me.

Garmr - cause he has been pressuring me. I'd fully expect him to be bussing scum buddies if he was scum.

How would you know if he were bussing his buddies at this point in the game?

Klingon - mostly because I'd be expecting her to be more involved if she was scum. That can change though.

That's a slippery slope.

Bella - for reasons previously articulated.

Can you tell me these reasons again? All I saw in your ISO is Bella hedging in a post.

Prolapsed - he has been posting but not exactly providing with much substance. And his reasoning for getting on my wagon was poor.

Well, he didn't have a reason. Neither did BBT. But you're townreading him.

Anna - slight scum read because she hasn't really done much other than vote for me because Dragon rhymes with wagon. I'd be expecting a bit more by now.

Yea, kind of agree with this actually.

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@Garmr

@aero hated town should always be claimed so me asking the role isn't a bad thing but only a competent player would know that.

Also that game when I was hider I started off bad but then I got two town confirmed and lynched two scum which included you so don't be bitter you made shit choices and got screwed over because you under estimated also you were kinda obvious scum

I didn't say anything about your play that game, I just said I think the role is dumb.

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@Boon

RC's obviously in a neighborhood with Garmr if what he said was true. I still like my garmr vote. I'm not supporting the Dspawn wagon. This happens every game he's semi active in Day 1; last time I had to out our best friendship Day 1. Which we lived until end game for a town victory, whattup, even doing the honors of catching a couple scum!

Why is garmr scum? I currently have null read on him. All you've said is that he "started the pile on" the wagon. Do you have anything stronger than that?

[Annadog40]

Ill give you some reads I'm still formulating.

Town reads

Boon - cause he is still awesome. And it just feels like a town boon game so far.

This isn't very convincing to me.

Klingon - mostly because I'd be expecting her to be more involved if she was scum. That can change though.

Anna - slight scum read because she hasn't really done much other than vote for me because Dragon rhymes with wagon. I'd be expecting a bit more by now.

Hmm . . So Klingon lack of involvement makes her town read while mine makes me slight scum read?

[Annadog40]

Only the second quote and below is mine. the other stuff at the top is a mistake

[BlueBloodedToffee]

@bbt, I'd like pb to answer questions put to him, but Mt vote can go there if I'm not happy. It's either that or follow myk right now.

You're thinking about voting Keyser? Why?

Also, was you satisifed with PB's posts? If not, I would appreciate you joining the wagon.

Ok, so you're just thick-headed, not scum, good to know. After being rebutted, you're one of those people who goes back to the same logical fallacy and misrepresentation. Dragon's misinterpretations are not just another possible interpretation. They're demonstrably wrong. And his attitude that has caused him to get them wrong is an anti-town one because it results in the problems I described above. Defensiveness is not always scummy, and it's not always anti-town. His particular flavor of defensiveness is the former in my opinion, and definitely the latter.

No, they're not 'demonstrably wrong'. Just because you cannot understand someone else's position that doesn't make them scum; I'm guessing you're not a defensive player.

For some people, when a wagon starts getting pushed on them and they can't understand why they begin to assume (and rightly so) that scum must be involved in some way. When people are pushing and voting for you and not explaining why; why would you not defend yourself? I think Dragon's position was understandable given game circumstances. Add into this that he started scum hunting from his wagon and I think his posting has significantly improved and therefore I have to ask myself; why are people still hanging around that Dragon wagon?

I don't remember dragon spawn being this oblivious in my mason game with him he demonstrated the ability to think I even understood his thought process in my mafia game against him he was logical this feels like a act to play off as dumb

Can you quote where Dragon is acting dumb because I don't see it?

I comment on what catches my eye. Nothing to add at this point.

Really? So you're perfectly happy with the Dragon wagon and the reasons that people are using to be on it?

Further, can you just clarify exactly

why

you're on that wagon again please?