Mini Normal 2030: Day 8

[Flavor Leaf]

So who is scum?

I feel like all scum are in:

Rogers, Naomi, Saudade, Gamma, Ethos.

[Flavor Leaf]

Which of em, no clue really, nor am I directly scum reading them.

Crimson *could* be fake fake claiming, but it makes sense so far unless it’s a scum doctor. Actually, that’s probably what it is. Has a godfather like effect with gunsmith as well

[Krazy]

What brought you back to scum on Naomi?

[Krazy]

Or "scum possible" I guess since you're not sring her

[Flavor Leaf]

No strong reasons to town read them. I have reasons to town read the lot of them, but scum can have reasons to be town read, so I feel that while I personally see nothing too scummy with Naomi’s play, it’s not out of the possibility for her to be scum.

At this point I have like zero actual scum reads, and that’s concerning to me, so I’m going a more logical route than how I usually play.

[Flavor Leaf]

Although, I am actually getting scum vibes from Crimson, and that’s where I was going to go. If Crimson is scum, Naomi is not scum, and vice versa. Both could still be town.

But I think I’m actually leaning towards Crimson fake claiming their role, and that kinda sucks, because I don’t really wanna risk losing a town doctor over my paranoia.

But if Crimson is scum, not a scum doctor, they’ll have a gun, but if they are scum doctor, they won’t, and can get cleared as scum, from the gunsmith.
I’m not thinking Worst is a scum gunsmith based on Doctor

[Flavor Leaf]

And vig claims got cut off of the end

[Mister Rogers]

So who is scum?

I feel like all scum are in:

Rogers, Naomi, Saudade, Gamma, Ethos.

No offense but I think this PoE sucks, not because I am in it but because I am in it (long dramatic pause) AND Naomi and Light are in it. Something is off with your reads if you are getting that as a PoE (just my opinion sir). I think scum are gaming you on your town reads, just sayin'.

[Mister Rogers]

I also think you are letting claims influence you more than the way claims happened. Like for instance, I can't point to anything wrong with Crimson's claim except for the fact he didn't crumb. Krazy's claim lacked crumbing (but apparently this is explained by role proveability) AND was made at L-2 without reason and is thus less believable. Worst's claim was made at L-3 AND including lying about the reason he claimed AND includes lying about actually crumbing AND includes a roll that is not easily proven by any stretch of the imagination.

So I see the claim strength list (from strongest to weakest) as:

Crimson
Krazy
Worst

I think we need to leave off the claims for analysis and focus on a scum team of 3 so that we should be able to find more scum in the player list because not all 3 claims will prove false IMO.

Just trying to help you get your mind clearer?

[Flavor Leaf]

Im town reading Worst and Krazy for reasons besides their claims, mixed in with how they came about them.

[Flavor Leaf]

Scum team of 3 on Day 1

Let’s lynch Rogers, guys.

[Flavor Leaf]

If I’m leaving off of the claims, I want Crimson then. His potential to be town doctor is my only reason of staying away, but i see it as least likely real claim

[Flavor Leaf]

Why do you assume I’m not aware of how they happened?

I have my own ways to figure out if they’re telling the truth or not.

Just watch and see.

[Mister Rogers]

Call me a jerk (its easy!) but FoS FL for having "trouble" formulating his reads; inconsistency in the way reads have been formulated.,

Does anyone see what I am saying here. I am posting this more to make a note of it because something is not smelling right with the whole way TL has read the player list?

PEDIT: See this makes no sense to me. HOW can you accept Worst's claim because ur read of him is so super accurate?? But yet at the same time say that an almost perfectly good claim by Crimson is most likely false?

I don't think your logic regarding your reads?

[Light Ethos]

No offense but I think this PoE sucks, not because I am in it but because I am in it (long dramatic pause) AND Naomi and Light are in it.

100% this. It makes zero sense for you to put both of us in that pool together. We can both be town together. One of us can be town, the other mafia. We can't both be scum together.

In that context, your pool is incredibly unlikely to be true, as it requires either the scum team to be exactly Rogers, Saudade, and Gamma or a permutation of 1 in {Naomi,Light Ethos} and 2 in {Rogers, Saudade, Gamma}. I don't see that happening.

[Light Ethos]

Does anyone see what I am saying here.

Yes. If FL is scum this game, his play earlier defending Manatee was excellent and got me good. Still, I have a few plausible scum teams in mind that do include him.

[Flavor Leaf]

No offense but I think this PoE sucks, not because I am in it but because I am in it (long dramatic pause) AND Naomi and Light are in it.

100% this. It makes zero sense for you to put both of us in that pool together. We can both be town together. One of us can be town, the other mafia. We can't both be scum together.

In that context, your pool is incredibly unlikely to be true, as it requires either the scum team to be exactly Rogers, Saudade, and Gamma or a permutation of 1 in {Naomi,Light Ethos} and 2 in {Rogers, Saudade, Gamma}. I don't see that happening.

Where did I say you couldn’t be?

[Flavor Leaf]

No offense but I think this PoE sucks, not because I am in it but because I am in it (long dramatic pause) AND Naomi and Light are in it.

100% this. It makes zero sense for you to put both of us in that pool together. We can both be town together. One of us can be town, the other mafia. We can't both be scum together.

In that context, your pool is incredibly unlikely to be true, as it requires either the scum team to be exactly Rogers, Saudade, and Gamma or a permutation of 1 in {Naomi,Light Ethos} and 2 in {Rogers, Saudade, Gamma}. I don't see that happening.

This is a misrep. I never said you guys were both scum nor both town, nor one or the other

Why don’t you see that happening? Because of Day 1 play?

[Flavor Leaf]

Call me a jerk (its easy!) but FoS FL for having "trouble" formulating his reads; inconsistency in the way reads have been formulated.,

Does anyone see what I am saying here. I am posting this more to make a note of it because something is not smelling right with the whole way TL has read the player list?

PEDIT: See this makes no sense to me. HOW can you accept Worst's claim because ur read of him is so super accurate?? But yet at the same time say that an almost perfectly good claim by Crimson is most likely false?

I don't think your logic regarding your reads?

I have more consistency in reads when I’m scum. I can link you to games if you’d like, or can just ask players here who know me that I am by far more consistent as scum.

[Light Ethos]

Scum team of 3 on Day 1

Let’s lynch Rogers, guys.

You do realize that Saudade had a 3 person scum team for a while, right? Only the Krazy claim derailed it. Speaking of which:

@Krazy: Why did you ask Doughboy if he was a power role if you were going to claim to be a power role later on?

[profii]

Call me a jerk (its easy!) but FoS FL for having "trouble" formulating his reads; inconsistency in the way reads have been formulated.,

Does anyone see what I am saying here. I am posting this more to make a note of it because something is not smelling right with the whole way TL has read the player list?

PEDIT: See this makes no sense to me. HOW can you accept Worst's claim because ur read of him is so super accurate?? But yet at the same time say that an almost perfectly good claim by Crimson is most likely false?

I don't think your logic regarding your reads?

Have you played with FL before?

[Flavor Leaf]

It is also much more commonplace for TownLeaf to go against the grain, and more commonplace for scumLeaf to lead the pack.

So...do what you will with it.

I’ll take all these reactions and your overreactions nicely.

[Crimson97]

Vote Count 1.16

Saudade (3) -

FrankJaeger 239

,

Gamma Emerald

(UC Voyager, Pernicious Parrot)

2294

,

Mister Rogers

(doughboy)

2552

Naomi-Tan (2) -

The Worst

(RockyHorror)

1448

,

Crimson97 1764

Mister Rogers

(doughboy)

(1) -

profii 2456

Crimson97 (1) -

Naomi-Tan 1134

FrankJaeger (1) -

Flavor Leaf 2614

Sashaddin (1) -

Creature

(ManateeDude)

2459

The Worst

(RockyHorror)

(1) -

Light Ethos 2518

Creature

(ManateeDude)

(1) -

Krazy 2190

UNVOTE/Not Voting (2) -

Sashaddin 2496

,

Saudade 2547

Full vote record is in the OP.

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2018-09-20 00:00:00).

Mod Notes

Naomi-Tan is V/LA for (expired on 2018-09-21 12:00:00).
Instead of mod killing the unfilled slots at the end of the game, I will just end this day and continue seeking replacements during the night. The new deadline for day 1 is in (expired on 2018-09-20 00:00:00).

I sincerely apologize for my poor handling of the game thus far; it's my first time modding and I wasn't sure what the best protocol was for handling some of these situations;I should have consulted others earlier on.

I know this VC is outdated but i'm pretty sure scum was in Saudade's wagon. Leaning for Frank here.

[profii]

Scum team of 3 on Day 1

Let’s lynch Rogers, guys.

Now we are mind melding boom

[Flavor Leaf]

Call me a jerk (its easy!) but FoS FL for having "trouble" formulating his reads; inconsistency in the way reads have been formulated.,

Does anyone see what I am saying here. I am posting this more to make a note of it because something is not smelling right with the whole way TL has read the player list?

PEDIT: See this makes no sense to me. HOW can you accept Worst's claim because ur read of him is so super accurate?? But yet at the same time say that an almost perfectly good claim by Crimson is most likely false?

I don't think your logic regarding your reads?

Have you played with FL before?

Profii and I here literally just finished a partner game where he got to see all my thoughts on a game, and literally changed my reads completely within the same hour multiple times throughout the game.