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yeah, conversation really started at around 328.In post 2849, pirate mollie wrote:is there something that I am missing?-
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Brian Skies Survivor
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like, i'vebeendoing things, i don't understand what you're trying to get at when you ask me why i'm not doing things right now.-
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Pine claimed rber...yet scum wanted him to have the glass over Fire? Why would scum redirect all actions from one town (Pine) to another town (me)? That makes no sense.In post 2652, Alisae wrote:
he’s a claimed roleblocker TitusIn post 2650, Titus wrote:Occam's is that Pine = Lightning rod
This post is convoluted.In post 2689, Vaxkiller wrote:Titus voting Pine reminds me of me so much. Titus will probably be offended to be lowered to such a station as Vaxkiller thinking, but there are so many times where I KNOW i caught scum becuase of info I've found and I am so wrong... luckily everyone ignores me!
Titus I've seen you do fucking awesome in some games , but lately it's been pretty lack-luster. I was scum reading pine too, but for him to be scum here would be pretty outlandish. More than likely he would have had to plan this out with his scum team, to not kill anyone then frame someone.... to what end? If he frames a someone then he will be suspect, on top of that other sources are likely to come forth with claims on the contrary, on top of that he would ahve likely had to plan it in advance which would mean the scum would choose to not kill.... I cant image a scum team doing that. Right now im thinking Pine and NSG are both town and brian was shot.
@Mollie Fire is my biggest TR atm.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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I think talking about the redirect now is a distraction?In post 2854, Titus wrote:Pine claimed rber...yet scum wanted him to have the glass over Fire? Why would scum redirect all actions from one town (Pine) to another town (me)? That makes no sense.| here.GTKAS-
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Brian Skies Survivor
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Vax, what are you trying to say here?In post 2657, Vaxkiller wrote:
Really??? I havent been here long and I have been informed and not informed.In post 2538, xRECKONERx wrote:Maybe that's not standard.
But I still find the claim to be a potential scum fakeclaim.
After all: easy excuse as to why Brian doesn't die at night (scum are scared of the BP) and lets scum make it impossible to verify Pine's roleblock is actually what stopped the kill.-
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This sentence makes no sense to me as is, but I think I know what you're trying to say.In post 2854, Titus wrote:Pine claimed rber...yet scum wanted him to have the glass over Fire? Why would scum redirect all actions from one town (Pine) to another town (me)? That makes no sense.
However, please explain to me why you think Pine the evil Lightning Rod steals the invention from you and then admits to receiving it?-
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got up to about here and I need to sleep now but this just reads so town. tell me that isn't one of those statements that is just a natural town mentality but it's hard for scum to think to fake. in any case I vibes so hard with it.In post 2773, northsidegal wrote:
I would much rather not get lynched in the first place. I'm not so egotistical as to believe that my reads are always perfect right now - what I do believe is that, given the opportunity, I could win the game if left alive.In post 2768, xRECKONERx wrote:nsg if you flip town i promise i will slavishly scour your iso and put together a case using it-
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VOTE: titus because I didn't like her posts and vote end of day 1, and her lightning rod suggestion out of nowhere just felt like scum testing the waters in how to enter the role conversation and also just fake feeling in general.In post 2773, northsidegal wrote:
I would much rather not get lynched in the first place. I'm not so egotistical as to believe that my reads are always perfect right now - what I do believe is that, given the opportunity, I could win the game if left alive.In post 2768, xRECKONERx wrote:nsg if you flip town i promise i will slavishly scour your iso and put together a case using it
in an optimal situation where player slots are abstract concepts and play/reads don't factor into it, lynching nsg is probably the right play. but considering it's harder to believe nsg will flip anything but town the more she posts, I would much rather take advantage of the free day phase we gained and lynch a slot much likelier to be scum. rather than equalizing the score.
would still vote reck, and would actually much prefer to lynch reck now that I've thought of it again. something about his play around nsg is still unsettling and his day 1 posting felt really scum motivated on multiple angles. but realistically not sure if there's any support for it unless he gets guiltied (Google glasses maybe? please?)-
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So...not Occam's rusty pocket knife, then.In post 2854, Titus wrote:
Pine claimed rber...yet scum wanted him to have the glass over Fire? Why would scum redirect all actions from one town (Pine) to another town (me)? That makes no sense.In post 2652, Alisae wrote:
he’s a claimed roleblocker TitusIn post 2650, Titus wrote:Occam's is that Pine = Lightning rod
This post is convoluted.In post 2689, Vaxkiller wrote:Titus voting Pine reminds me of me so much. Titus will probably be offended to be lowered to such a station as Vaxkiller thinking, but there are so many times where I KNOW i caught scum becuase of info I've found and I am so wrong... luckily everyone ignores me!
Titus I've seen you do fucking awesome in some games , but lately it's been pretty lack-luster. I was scum reading pine too, but for him to be scum here would be pretty outlandish. More than likely he would have had to plan this out with his scum team, to not kill anyone then frame someone.... to what end? If he frames a someone then he will be suspect, on top of that other sources are likely to come forth with claims on the contrary, on top of that he would ahve likely had to plan it in advance which would mean the scum would choose to not kill.... I cant image a scum team doing that. Right now im thinking Pine and NSG are both town and brian was shot.
@Mollie Fire is my biggest TR atm.
You're going with Occam's Flint-knapped Spearhead. Classic."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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It's not. The existance of the redirect strongly suggests either myself, Fire and Pine is scum but only one (or Fire plus Pine but that is remote). I'll explain.In post 2855, Alisae wrote:
I think talking about the redirect now is a distraction?In post 2854, Titus wrote:Pine claimed rber...yet scum wanted him to have the glass over Fire? Why would scum redirect all actions from one town (Pine) to another town (me)? That makes no sense.
Fire claims that he intended to give me Google glass. Either a) he's lying and submitted a straight submission to Pine or b) he was messed with.
A is unlikely given Fire's early vote on Vecna. Plus directly submitting to Pine isn't too ridiculous as to warrant claiming his action was interfered with given the glass "leashes" somehow".
So we turn to B. If Fire was messed with that suggests either 1) scum assumed I would be targeted and wanted all actions targeting me to visit Pine, 2) scum assumed Pine would be targeted and wanted all actions targeting Pine to visit me, 3) scum wanted to directly control Fire's action and just used the redirect at random.
B1) This means I would be town and Pine would be scum. I am a popular investigation target. Framing me or preventing clears on me benefits scum. Plus, they'd get any positive benefit sent to me.
B2) This dictates a bus driver. This is remote.
B3) This is everyone is town setup. This also has scum using a redirect and gaining nothing from it.
Recapping most likely to least likely.
I) Scum used a redirect to frame me/protect Pine.
II) Scum did suboptimal move.
III) Fire lied.
IV) [Impossible to me] Scum bus driver protect me, attack Pine.
Now to finish catchup.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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Incorrect. Pine could be a lightning rod.In post 2708, xRECKONERx wrote:I'll add:
NSG flips Town: We know Brian is Town (or at least not Mafia), and that his BP is expired, and that scum have to waste an extra kill just to take out someone they already tried to kill onceShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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Town.In post 2713, northsidegal wrote:
My point is that my lynch doesn't actually provide any more space for verifiable claims given Brian's claim. If someone claims, say, doctor later in the game, my having been lynched has a pretty much negligible relationship to the verifiability of that claim.In post 2697, xRECKONERx wrote:we have a dead scum already
ill take playing the long game of having more info / verifiable claims later over "oh gee gosh please dont lynch the vt on the off-chance she's not lying about her role and wasn't actually roleblocked"
Also, lol at "off-chance".
Okay, I'm lynched and flip VT.you're missing the point -- we don't know that the roleblock is a guilty. we don't know it's not. we do know it's SOMETHING.
it's something that tells us something. and your lynch can provide that information.
brian skies wont ever know if he was actually shot or not until he dies or is endgamed. we can't get info about him except by lynching him
but we CAN get info about what happened last night by lynching you
it's simple
The information we get about what happened last night is....
Hm.
What, exactly?
Well, you could assume that it means that scum shot Brian, but there could still be another protective role out there.
"Information lynches" are garbage.
Like, if you're thinking that from an objective standpoint (not taking into account reads) it's equally probably that pine roleblocked me as that Brian was shot, I still utterly fail to see the purpose of lynching me.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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And it's not shocking your action misfired? Did you crumb at all your role/visit choice?In post 2738, Firebringer wrote:
Do what you want, it won’t hurt you but I kind of don’t care either way. I meant to give these glasses to people who I thought I might need to keep tabs on and ur not really one of thoseIn post 2733, Pine wrote:Yeah, the most damning evidence is that in NSG were Town, she's AT LEAST acknowledge the rationality in what Reck's saying. Instead she's trying to handwave it away
This is classic scumflailing
FIREBRINGER do I put these glasses on or not? If they fry my brain I will be holding you responsibleShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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I think scum are using you. NSG and Brian's flips do zero to sort each other and NSG bleeds town. Meanwhile, Pine and Fire's flips do sort each other.In post 2739, xRECKONERx wrote:
as i said it's entirely conjecture. so i dont propose anythingIn post 2734, CheekyTeeky wrote:
Really? How do you propose we deal with Pine tomorrow if she flips town?In post 2730, xRECKONERx wrote:or scum saw the no kill and pine jumped in with a bs claim to force brian to claim
i have a feeling that pine/brian and the Truth of What Happened will sort itself out after a nsg flip eventually
Pine is practically lolcatting atm.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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Your towncore has a near lock scum in it in at least Fire or Pine. :'( I still need to do the VCA but I am tentatively ok with the rest for now.In post 2765, Alisae wrote:Btw if it wasn’t clear I like my {Brian, Pine, Fire, Mollie, Gammagooey, Firebringer, Cheeky, LLD} Towncore with the exception that Reck joins it if NSG flips wolf and I have 1 secret SR in there that I want more time to read and see how their reads develop and progress.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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This is what you antagonize NSG over and don't bother to scumhunt? Your last several posts have been random potshots at me or NSG and buddying Reck's obvtown nonsense.In post 2803, Pine wrote:
2017’s Paragon is a Cylon. We don’t have the same kind of beep boop ability to sift mountains of data to eke out reads.In post 2788, northsidegal wrote:
2017's Paragon disagrees.In post 2784, xRECKONERx wrote:i wont do that but thanks for the suggestion
gentle reminder: meta is trash
Anyone who says different is either arrogant (and likely wrong) or is selling something.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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In post 2683, Brian Skies wrote:Mollie is scumreading him. Lol.
@brian
I mean, ok, you got me, I DO tend to look at the game with a "Vaxkiller-centric" view where alot of my thoughts tend to revolve around my interactions with people and not others. It's def a problem I need to fix at some point.
@mollie But that's not my only problem with the post. My thoughts are in some blueish color.
In post 2673, pirate mollie wrote:okay so here we go:
looking through vecna's iso I think pine, alisae, reck, fb, lld, gamma emerald and cheeky.
super weird reactions to vax, hyong and musicdelve. vecna keeps mentioning musicdelve as a lynch option but never delved into why. he did the same with vax but then voted vax at a time when I wld expect to see some distancing. he also says, "hop on the all town wagon choo choo" to imply that he is town and it is almost like he wants to take credit for a scum preflip on vax. that is how it reads to me. wifom yadda yadda but I am still taking note it cos vax wasn't in danger and just seems an odd way to treat a wagon that you know is on town.
Could you expand on your reasoning here? Vecna was scum. Hyung was on his way to be lynched. Pine and maybe 1 or 2 others wanted my lynch but taht wasn't getting traction. No matter what hyungs alignment is, why would Vecna push scum!Vax here? It's not WIFOM, it makes NO SENSE
he mentions hiplop/titus, gammagooey and penguin peripherally, there is likely scum in 1 of those 3.
I hate when people say "there is likely 1 scum in this group" It's lazy and feels scummy. Just say you think there are all scum.
with hyong it almost reads like coaching? it cld be coaxing, and I can't figure out which 1 so *shrug* I am just taking note.
Hyung is coaching/coaxing who?
this was the eod wagon:
vecna - firebringer, bbmolla, pine, gammagooey, vaxkiller, hyong, titus, penguin, reck
4th, 5th and 7th are where I tend to look for bussing and that is gamma, vax and titus. <---- here there be scumzorz
So scum are always the 4th 5th and 7th (not 6th people, 6 is a good place to be!)
so my scumpool is vaxkiller, titus, gamma, musicdelve as of rn, but I still have more reading to do.
I can understand mutante, but the rest of these reads are awful.
having said that, lynching ngs is the mechanically correct thing to do today. I wld love to hit scum and I hope we do but I feel weak about them flipping scum. I am reading the flail as town but eh, I am a sucker for aTe.-
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Winning the votecounter role suggests NSG is town, not scum. We voted for it remember. Scum piling on to get the votecounter makes no sense and is low utility. It robs them of voting, which can swing momentum on a wagon.In post 2807, Pine wrote:
I think you’re scum for these reasons. The fact that you lurked through D1, had scummy interaction with Vecna, and are stubbornly refusing to acknowledge the legitimacy of the points against you is icing.In post 2387, Pine wrote:-No kill
-You were still voteparked on AA9 at a photo finish deadline lynch on scum
-You also won the votecounter role, which has fabulous utility for scum to manipulate things
-I roleblocked you, which would explain the stopped kill
It’s not that you don’t want to be lynched, or that you have a strategic difference, it’s the legitimacy attack on the points that is the problem. I mean, hell, you just did it again by boiling my case down to “Disagree with Reck”
AA9 slot could still be scum. This assumes AA9 is town to shade NSG. Second, AA9 hasn't posted much, if at all, since I got here. An SR on that slot and not joining the Vecna wagon makes sense. While I think Mollie's numbers when looking for bussers are arbitrary, I would expect bussing on the 3-End votes on the wagon as well.
You roleblocking NSG makes sense a little but that forces a Fire scumread which makes little sense given yesterday. Basically if you roleblocked stopping the kill Fire is also scum likely lying to justify giving glass to you.
Does Glass have something to do with votes?ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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I read this and I got a headache.In post 2864, Titus wrote:
It's not. The existance of the redirect strongly suggests either myself, Fire and Pine is scum but only one (or Fire plus Pine but that is remote). I'll explain.In post 2855, Alisae wrote:
I think talking about the redirect now is a distraction?In post 2854, Titus wrote:Pine claimed rber...yet scum wanted him to have the glass over Fire? Why would scum redirect all actions from one town (Pine) to another town (me)? That makes no sense.
Fire claims that he intended to give me Google glass. Either a) he's lying and submitted a straight submission to Pine or b) he was messed with.
A is unlikely given Fire's early vote on Vecna. Plus directly submitting to Pine isn't too ridiculous as to warrant claiming his action was interfered with given the glass "leashes" somehow".
So we turn to B. If Fire was messed with that suggests either 1) scum assumed I would be targeted and wanted all actions targeting me to visit Pine, 2) scum assumed Pine would be targeted and wanted all actions targeting Pine to visit me, 3) scum wanted to directly control Fire's action and just used the redirect at random.
B1) This means I would be town and Pine would be scum. I am a popular investigation target. Framing me or preventing clears on me benefits scum. Plus, they'd get any positive benefit sent to me.
B2) This dictates a bus driver. This is remote.
B3) This is everyone is town setup. This also has scum using a redirect and gaining nothing from it.
Recapping most likely to least likely.
I) Scum used a redirect to frame me/protect Pine.
II) Scum did suboptimal move.
III) Fire lied.
IV) [Impossible to me] Scum bus driver protect me, attack Pine.
Now to finish catchup.| here.GTKAS
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