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[Iconeum]

ico, you said you got the feeling andres was the Designated Misexecute today, right? talk to me about that?

i kinda already did?

you say you felt like people were alligning on npow (but there weren't any votes on him), while i thought that way too many people were scumreading andres and it got to L-2 so fast which makes me hesitant. Like how you felt about npow but with actual votes there

also i read andres and i just don't scumread it while i read npow and still think that it can flip scum so…

rough game

[Iconeum]

what about a reverse sort?

townhunt?

[Iconeum]

Testarossa
2.DkKoba JamSV
4.Alduskkel
7.Andresvmb
8.NoPowerOverMe


datisi+hellbooks +ico+VP

leaves 5 slots with 2 town

Testarossa
2.DkKoba JamSV
4.Alduskkel
7.Andresvmb
8.NoPowerOverMe

if we both have a veto, npow and andres are town

so we get to aldus+testa+dk

but like, i townread dk? kinda? which wouldn't surprise me if we are wrong about 1 in npow/andres

[Iconeum]

aldus seems like a good flip

[Datisi]

sorry if i'm making you repeat things, but this game is so much noise that i can't be fucked to dig around

Andresvmb (2): Alduskkel, NoPowerOverMe
NoPowerOverMe (2): Andresvmb, Testarossa
Testarossa (2): VP Baltar, DkKoba
Not Voting (3): hellbooks, Datisi, Iconeum

andres moved to aldus, ico voted npom, then unvoted

ico, you said you got the feeling andres was the Designated Misexecute today, right? talk to me about that?

i am probably putting too much stock in my Big Brain Theory of aldus/andres being s/s like i probably shouldn't be doing prefilps like that we all know how that usually ends (except in like why gun that's like one game where they were decent)

but also also it's day 3 with a narrow PoE and no scumflips and like can we actually avoid doing prefilps at this point?

idk i just don't wanna fucking go to 7p lylo

idk the reason why i don't thnik andres is like the Designated Misexecute is like, how many people were scumreading him in prior days (other than err me)

[Datisi]

the "wide PoE" is {ico, testa, koba, aldus, andres, npom}

we have one more misexe left, meaning we theoretically need to find 2 town in those 6 names and flip everyone else

but that's like, easier said than done, also town EV is currently 20% which is like, pretty fucken shite

[Iconeum]

yeah well

like it or not but you and hell are gonna have to carry right now

out of those 6 players you *need* to establish a town base with

doesn't have to be set in stone but even with a scumflip today we need solid town voting allignment on next days

let alone if we mislynch again

[Iconeum]

which 2 players do you think have highest chance of actually flipping town if you could see right now

[Iconeum]

and then you basicly… close your eyes and take the leap lol

[Testarossa]

@Baltar:
Wait, I think you are mixing there something up. I never actively pushed Datisi? I was townreading him through the whole game. My read only weakened a bit after noting that he were on most major D1 wagons that I knew or thought of town (me, Snow, janko) and still doubled down in the same post on my townread.

I don't think my wagon analysis is that incorrect (I mean Andres/NPOM were on most major wagons with GB, Ico, me, bob), but I figure it's no use, we will see once the game is resolved.
Still I think you should consider it at least regarding my wagon. I won't be mad if you are convinced enough due to other reasons, just at least go it through. Who do you think are my partners? Why does this wagon happen in a gamestate where I had more townreads than scumreads and no one were minding me? Like if you think Andres and NPOM panicbussed me there, ok, that's the only team where I could see why you would think so.

[Andresvmb]

@Datisi you have what 4 days to make a decision? Why don’t you go back and read the ISOs and make a decision?

I don’t know if I was the “designated” mis-execute. But unless you think the Team is strictly Me/Testa/Aldus, why am I not voting Testa then? I could have come in, hard TR DkKoba (who only softened their TR of my slot because I expressed a lot of suspicion there), and completely diverted attention towards Testarossa. And why bother pushing VPB? If I was Scum, I had a decent position going into today, and could have directed the execution towards whatever gets me closer to victory, even a Partner if I felt we needed a bus. Instead, I’ve practically turned everybody against me, to the point where I had 3 votes from players outside the Masons + Ico. Ask yourself, why would I do that?

[Andresvmb]

So unless anybody here thinks I have a death wish, I really don’t get why you can’t see that what I’ve been doing is trying to sort each and every player in the POE.

[Andresvmb]

How am I avoiding you. Town should have an open mindset.

HAHAHA you really are one of a kind.

[Andresvmb]

i think what i have is a solid solve and makes sense.

If I really didn’t care about winning, I would let you flip me just so that you can eat crow before the game is actually over, and you have to try and explain this nonsense tomorrow.

[VP Baltar]

Tess - I will reread your interaction with Datisi again today. I only had about 30 mins of spare time yesterday to reread all three of you and go over all the vote counts again. There's a possibility I misread something. In the meantime, can you explain why you didn't vote at all D2? Why not push for another wagon if you thought Bob was going to flip town?

[VP Baltar]

Ico, why Aldus over Tess? You expressed skepticism before of Tess.

[DkKoba]

i think what i have is a solid solve and makes sense.

If I really didn’t care about winning, I would let you flip me just so that you can eat crow before the game is actually over, and you have to try and explain this nonsense tomorrow.

ok buddy just self lol

[DkKoba]

u pocketed me on d1 and d2 then today came out with the bs "zomg! You made me doubt obvious town testa!!!"

[Andresvmb]

I’ve spent enough space explaining my position. I won’t rehash it.

Unfortunately, you won’t see me self-vote here.

[Testarossa]

Tess - I will reread your interaction with Datisi again today. I only had about 30 mins of spare time yesterday to reread all three of you and go over all the vote counts again. There's a possibility I misread something. In the meantime, can you explain why you didn't vote at all D2? Why not push for another wagon if you thought Bob was going to flip town?

I am afraid I can't give you a satisfying answer here. I will try though.

For one it threw me off that bob/NPOM situation was mirroring the vote situation from D1, which made me pause and wonder if things were just going again in scum's way. Didn't helped that NPOM's takes were too crazy for my taste (you & Datisi as scum), that I got unsure there. And tbf I was resigning anyway, because it became apparent that most people were fine with bob exe and I am not the kind of player to pull others away anyway. And next time I logged in I already had the mod pm that it's N2.

Also I was more focussed on you than you probably realized. I am used to it if there is a claim and it has major flaws then it means to kill said player off, because most likely bs. Basically with my townreads saying not to do so and site meta seemingly being different here that was what was stopping me from simply going deathtunnel on you, which I would have normally done. It's a mindset thing i guess.

[VP Baltar]

Why sheep your townreads and not just vote me if you didn't like the claim? Does it matter what site meta is (which, idk if that is even a site meta here)?

[Testarossa]

1. I was questioning you and and had yet to wait for answers.

2. If I know a vote has no effect, because people don't go there out of principle, then it is a meaningless vote.

[hellbooks]

I’m not getting bussed. I find it really difficult to believe that you all can’t read all of the Towniness radiating from my posts.

i feel like im giving you a lot of leeway rn and you're getting defensive

Datisi and hells -- what is your preference today?

aldus at this moment i think

From my point of view Aldus is the only unknown slot that always stayed away from the bobwagon (and I have Ico as town). If Aldus is town this would mean that all three scum must have piled upon bob on D2. This would imply that the NPOM counterwagon urged them to to get the bob elim through. If Aldus is scum the crucial vc was this:

bob3141 (3): Andresvmb, VP Baltar, NoPowerOverMe
NoPowerOverMe (3): Billy Pilgrim, Datisi, Alduskkel
Hellbooks (1): DkKoba
Not Voting (4): hellbooks, bob3141, Testarossa, Iconeum

Aldus tied NPOM with bob. He could have counted on hell and Koba voting bob and Ico has also shown approval for a bob elim before. So a bus could have been safe and I kind of think, if scum knew Billy was a Mason, I can imagine at least one scum would side with the Mason. Works with townNPOM too, which leads to Aldus/Andres again, which I am not really feeling by D3 interactions.

not a bad analysis yea

[hellbooks]

heres a question for testa voters:
how likely is testa/koba
how likely is testa/andres

[hellbooks]

if aldus flips scum and like, testa is town -> i'd look at ico
dancing around aldus, saying he'd be a good flip, never going thru with it