Starcraft Mafia -- Game Over!

[Varsoon]

@Skitter: Absolutely, yes, Zerg are our enemies.
I hate the idea that this setup has both a gunsmith that gets a false positive on two town roles so far and that there may be two informed roles that can be tricked into full-claiming solely based on the soft-claim of the other.
It's far, far too much bullshit put into the setup that's negative rhetorical utility for town.
I hate it.
That's why I want that Nancy lynch
Because if it flips town at least I can feel okay that the setup is just made to pants/embarrass town.
and if it flips scum then I won and I'm the best and I can die happy.

[Performer]

Has everyone dropped expectations of kokichi to post and are just waiting on whatever ~*~mechanic~*~ to reveal itself?

This sums up what I've grown to expect from koki this game. Asking for something from koki , it's just like asking for wisdom to explain a read.
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@mod v/la over the weekend, busy holiday time.

my gut says performer may be town (or at least not groupscum) but i think he needs to be resolved somehow but i don't feel like he's the best lynch today because there's people i scumread more

I'm not sure what is even being said here. "It feels like I'm town but then probably not?"

Also feeling somewhat better about tw due to the feel of his investment . But feeling somewhat worse about keys, and same goes for mitil. Doubting my sr on xtox as I am liking some of his thought progression.

[Performer]

There's at least two scum in Key, Mew, Mitillos, Xtom, or

Performer

.

Key should be investigating within this group

if he isn't lynched today.

I agree with this.

[Nauci]

I also think that Kokichi isn't a delayed IC at all, but, rather, is a delayed informational role just like mine.
Take that as you will.

What about mewtaph?

[Xtoxm]

You know, i've always had the opposite feeling. People seem to have this instinct that duplicate roles can't exist. And every conflicting claim means one is scum.
But if someone claims my role, or looks like they are claiming my role, I tend to think "maybe the mod put 2 in". Especially lower utility abilities.
If it's 2 people claiming doctor in a mini, sure. But that's not the situation here.

[Varsoon]

Ya'll wanna swing absolutely the different direction and lynch Koki on the chance he's an informational role instead of an IC?

@Nauci: I'll be honest.
I haven't read a single Mewtaph post all game.

[Nauci]

I thought nancy's reaction was pretty townie tbh.

If zerg are the only scum faction, and dont have gun flavor, town gunsmith doesnt make much sense to me.

If there's more than one faction, and the other faction does have gun flavor, town or zerg gunsmith makes sense to me

@varsoon, zerg is an anti town faction, right?

Yeah there are multiple reasons I think Keyser is my top left pick for today, if I can get enough votes there

VOTE: Keyser Söze

[Varsoon]

I'd normally not think it's a counter or whatever, Xtoxm, but the nature of my role is knowing that someone else has my flavor and knows I get informed. So it makes sense that person would try to tilt me to soft so they could find and kill me before my info drops.

[Nauci]

Somehow I'm becoming a token Lynch All Gunsmith Claims player

[Nauci]

Ya'll wanna swing absolutely the different direction and lynch Koki on the chance he's an informational role instead of an IC?

@Nauci: I'll be honest.
I haven't read a single Mewtaph post all game.

Oh

You're going to have to take this up with skitter30

[Nauci]

@Skitter: Absolutely, yes, Zerg are our enemies.
I hate the idea that this setup has both a gunsmith that gets a false positive on two town roles so far and that there may be two informed roles that can be tricked into full-claiming solely based on the soft-claim of the other.
It's far, far too much bullshit put into the setup that's negative rhetorical utility for town.
I hate it.
That's why I want that Nancy lynch
Because if it flips town at least I can feel okay that the setup is just made to pants/embarrass town.
and if it flips scum then I won and I'm the best and I can die happy.

Fwiw I don't scum read Nancy and would prefer to not go there today

[Nauci]

Xtoxm, does your view of keyser's claim change with varsoon's info

[Varsoon]

Nah, we're not lynching Koki today.
I KNOW he's probably screwing with me for REASONS with THAT CLAIM but
I can't abandon my principles.

Just warning you guys
We're up shit creek.
You better put your best foot forward
Or we lose.

[Varsoon]

VOTE: Keyser
Yeah I don't think town has this much negative utility built in either.

[Varsoon]

Can't wait to die and see the setup.
If it's what I think it is, I'm going to have choice words for Krazy.

[Performer]

I am informed there is another player in the game with the same flavor name as me.
I am also informed that they are a member of the Zerg faction.
Each night, I learn the targets of the Zerg night kills.
At Night 4, I will learn all of the targets for Zerg night actions taken on Night 3.
I am also informed that they KNOW my role exists and what I am aware of, but not who I am.

I am Duran.
I think that AlmostNancy's play has specifically been trying to get me to tilt the other knowledge I have.
I highly suspected I would die tonight and was trying to make implications about AlmostNancy so that you'd be able to follow the crumbs back there.
I didn't want to claim this because now Zerg HAVE TO KILL ME and our Medic is dead, too.

I also believe Zerg work on an Even-Night Kill because Zerg did not kill on Night 1.

AlmostNancy's likely avoided claiming their flavor because it'd scum-confirm them to me and they couldn't wriggle away with a fake-claim of flavor after I claimed against them.
Here's the problem though, now that I've outted this.
Do you think the mod would intentionally design a SECOND role that's information is of a 'not-the-real-character' flavor?
Just to fuck with us?

Ok , I dont understand this.

So AN claim some sort of informed role, Mew claimed someone is lying and didn't reveal, and Mitil has an informed role, now you have a role where someone has the same name as you and I am having trouble figuring out what on Earth is even being said here.

[Xtoxm]

I thought nancy's reaction was pretty townie tbh.

If zerg are the only scum faction, and dont have gun flavor, town gunsmith doesnt make much sense to me.

If there's more than one faction, and the other faction does have gun flavor, town or zerg gunsmith makes sense to me

@varsoon, zerg is an anti town faction, right?

Gunsmith is a well defined role. It has nothing to do with flavour. It gets guilties on mafia. Regardless of what flavour the mod is using. This is an objectively bad reason to vote for Keyser.

[Nauci]

So it makes sense that person would try to tilt me to soft so they could find and kill me before my info drops.

Maybe that's what mewtaph was trying to do

[Xtoxm]

Gunsmith =/= flavour cop, this reasoning is bad and you should feel bad.

[Varsoon]

@Performer:
I don't know how to spell out my claim any more than I already have.
What are you having trouble figuring out here?

[Varsoon]

The idea is that gunsmith would yeild a guilty on people with 'bullet' kills only, which we're spec'ing that Zerg don't use.

[Xtoxm]

The idea is that gunsmith would yeild a guilty on people with 'bullet' kills only, which we're spec'ing that Zerg don't use.

That's not how gunsmith works please stop ignoring me saying this.

[Varsoon]

Gunsmith checks if someone has a gun, right?
Literally pulling from the wiki:
"The Gunsmith is an information role that can target a player at Night to learn if they have a gun in flavor. Members of the Mafia (that are not Doctors), Cops, FBI Agents, Vigilantes, other Gunsmiths, Paranoid Gun Owners, etc. all have guns in traditional flavor. Notably, Serial Killers and Doctors do not have guns."

Oh wow it checks for GUN FLAVOR
This game is confirmed to have BULLET FLAVOR that is IMPORTANT.

[Varsoon]

Unless you can pull from Krazy's mod meta and find an iteration of gunsmith that works differently?
This is also why shorthand for mafiascum is a shit.

[Nauci]

Gunsmith is a well defined role. It has nothing to do with flavour. It gets guilties on mafia. Regardless of what flavour the mod is using. This is an objectively bad reason to vote for Keyser.

It gets red checks on roles with guns

but Varsoon's info said Scum don't have bullet flavor kills so they probably don't have guns

but a scum gunsmith would be able to find tpr or 3rd parties