TM 2021 - Black Flag Nightless

[Menalque]

She convinced me on (2) but I’m not really worrying about (1) (she wanted me to demand that we tell joqiza that he always gets limmed in lylo which is not a stance I’m willing to take, although as I’ve said before, I think everyone needs to be reconsidered in lylo if we get there and game isn’t over)

[Menalque]

Mena, I am curious as to whether Maria has kept up with the game.

Absolutely not in the slightest

[Menalque]

We did 160 pages yesterday auro, lmao

[Menalque]

Oh, I also think scum probably bussed which makes me more suspicious of (shirou/chenn/AL)

[Menalque]

I also also dislike Chenn’s attempts to take more cred than I think he deserves for johnny!wagon

[Menalque]

So I kinda forgot the game was happening, but I've played this setup a couple times in sitechat before, (and modded them, too) and usually it doesn't matter who gets flipped first, just because if you get town, you get a confirmed townie, and most of the time by the first couple minutes based on who's working with who and so on and so forth.

I get this setup mixed up a lot, though, with white flag( and also every time I skim this I think townies have an extra elim) which is why I posted like I did at end of D1. Let's flip mathblade and win this thing for the homies?

[Auro]

Oh, I also think scum probably bussed which makes me more suspicious of (shirou/chenn/AL)

Does AL's vote really look like a bus vote though?

My preference order is in 3014. I guess johnny would be my #1 preferred elim, but only because everyone else has done townier things. Maybe at some point I'll summarize why that is, but for now that's all I really have to say.

If bussing was the plan AL would've had a stronger push, right? Were there any instances of him trying to subtly lead the wagon away?

Also, yeah game's long but I think Maria's takes could be useful later in the game, I think it'd be wise to get them as well.

[Auro]

So I kinda forgot the game was happening, but I've played this setup a couple times in sitechat before, (and modded them, too) and usually it doesn't matter who gets flipped first, just because if you get town, you get a confirmed townie, and most of the time by the first couple minutes based on who's working with who and so on and so forth.

I get this setup mixed up a lot, though, with white flag( and also every time I skim this I think townies have an extra elim) which is why I posted like I did at end of D1. Let's flip mathblade and win this thing for the homies?

[Auro]

Actually I’ll share what I guess are the main 2 things now:

I'd like to hear the other main thing, the Math case?

[Menalque]

There isn’t a math case, I linked her to... hang on, let me pull from the discord

[Menalque]

viewtopic.php?p=12547307#p12547307

I told her this is the post where I explain why I don’t like math this game

And told her to read his ISO from here:

viewtopic.php?p=12544703#p12544703

And she came back about half an hour later or something to say (paraphrased) “yes, this looks like math scum to me, I endorse his elim”

[Menalque]

Was whether maria had read the game or not the thing you wanted to ask me @auro?

[Menalque]

I’m not sure any of my team are gonna read the entire game, it’s more like I’m asking them to check on whether I’m confbiased at certain points or what they think we should do strategy wise after new info (hence lld’s points on maintaining a degree of suspicion on joqiza if we flip 3 town in a row now, or on always flipping shirou first if we go for his autowin plan)

[Auro]

Was whether maria had read the game or not the thing you wanted to ask me @auro?

Not really, but I hope you don't mind that I'll talk about it later.

[Menalque]

But we could talk about it now!

[Menalque]

Carpe diem. Seize the day, Auro! Make your life extraordinary!

[Auro]

Carpe diem. Seize the day, Auro! Make your life extraordinary!

Here's a random recommendation to watch Community instead!

[Menalque]

I have watched all of it twice and some episodes considerably more than that

[Auro]

Same. I love the paintball episodes especially.
Sounds like it's time for another rewatch sometime

[Shirou]

VOTE: mathblade

Actually I’ll share what I guess are the main 2 things now:

(1) she thinks there’s approx a 10% chance that joqiza (the person most responsible for Johnny dying yesterday) was bussing

(2) she thinks that if we decide to do shirou’s plan from yesterday then it’s non-negotiable that shirou dies first, but then gets to pick the elims for the next 2 days

This seems like it's gonna be a long day...

[Shirou]

If Mena isn't willing to vote Auro/Flopz with us today, assuming I'm not wrong on Flopz, only one other person in [Shirou, Chennis, Lilith, AL, Joqi, Math] can not agree to vote Auro with us for town to not have enough numbers.

In other words, people that believe in scum!Auro [Shirou, Chennis, Lilith??] need to convince 2/3 of [Math , Mena, Joqi] to vote Auro here unless we switch to Flopz since Math/Joqi already wants to vote Flopz.

If AL is also opposed to considering Auro today I guess it updates to 3/4 of [Math, Mena, Joqi, AL] which to me is...so much work...

[Auro]

(2) she thinks that if we decide to do shirou’s plan from yesterday then it’s non-negotiable that shirou dies first, but then gets to pick the elims for the next 2 days

Was expecting that Shirou!town would jump at this

[Shirou]

(2) she thinks that if we decide to do shirou’s plan from yesterday then it’s non-negotiable that shirou dies first, but then gets to pick the elims for the next 2 days

Was expecting that Shirou!town would jump at this

If everyone unanimously agree to:

1) Not say a single word in D3/D4 and just place their votes

2) ignore anyone that doesn't place the correct votes in D3/D4 and continuously only say/quote "vote correctly" as a reply to every post someone out of the voting block makes. No discussion whatsoever.

I could consider it. Dunno if I would agree, but I could give it a good consideration.

I honestly don't think it's something huge because eliminating one of Auro/Flopz shouldn't be hard in the upcoming 4 lims to the point that losing one elim and "trusting" people to follow the plan seems more complicated than just sit here insisting on you, because I'm not voting outside of You/Flopz today so for a Math wagon, only someone else needs to disagree together with me for it to be a non-pure town wagon, which I think I could try talking to Chennis.

[Shirou]

This isn't a "I think my reads are precisely correct and am willing to be BoP based on them". It's even more than something like this, it's:

"It's mathematically likely that the game ends with Auro/Flopz if our town block is right, and even if our townblock is wrong on someone". This isn't subjective if we assume the two original, simple premises of the plan.

[Shirou]

Auro I'm happy you're shading me.

If possible, I would like you to place me as your top scumread.

Look, I'm scared of being limmed in this game since I'm scum that loses today if I get limmed. Isn't that scary?

The game ends with a single scum lim now, things like BoP / Sacrifices are a no-no don't you see?

I think you're wrong on scum!Lilith here, doesn't scum!Shirou seems to make more sense given my above posts?