JOAT uPick | FIN!

[Cabd]

You lose if endgame triggers before you've accomplished that? Weird.

[Cabd]

Anyways, I'm going to go back to work and think about this all.

[MariaR]

Well, I would just win the game outright if I marked everyone so ig the trade off is ya lose if endgame happens.

[Cabd]

If you at any point crumbed or softed visiting joyboy and your other targets BEFORE today's results got posted that would be swell. So point those out plz.

[MariaR]

If you at any point crumbed or softed visiting joyboy and your other targets BEFORE today's results got posted that would be swell. So point those out plz.

Hell no I didn't ya girl was trying to win solo :^)

[Bell]

I would appreciate if you could be as specific as possible with your role, flavor, and abilities Maria.

[MariaR]

I'm pretty sure I have now stated everything if you think there's anything missing let me know.

[MariaR]

Flavor is Hong Kong.

[Dunnstral]

Last mafia is Laplacian by the way. Dr. Drew would be arguing himself into a corner with that list of players as I believe we had enough eliminations remaining for Maria, Dr. Drew, and Laplacian.

[Bell]

Do you have to make it all the way to end game to win?

[Cabd]

Last mafia is Laplacian by the way. Dr. Drew would be arguing himself into a corner with that list of players as I believe we had enough eliminations remaining for Maria, Dr. Drew, and Laplacian.

I mean yes, if this isn't just scum-maria hanging on for extra time, which is still possible.

Heck, five bucks says mafia knows based on their factional stuff that there's a third party and that's why he broughtit up last phase.

[MariaR]

Do you have to make it all the way to end game to win?

Mhm

[Cabd]

Day one ends on post 2353. All of Laplacian's ISO before this post should show a clear TRAJECTORY towards the reads he has, and his eventual targets, yes?

Let's look!


Lap's parity cop targets as claimed were:

Hu Tao, Lemon, and Dr. Drew

Day One Posts Mentioning Hu Tao

VOTE: Joyboy
Comrades, upon rereading I find Joyboy's roster of pirates and foes in revolutionary pamphlet #567 alarming. As has been called out by the ever-vigilant Doctor Drew and Lady Terminally Online, it included the absent light_ganski as an ally of Joyboy's under flimsy pretenses. Furthermore, the only two foes on the roster were Bell, a safe accusation at the time, and LTO, who is new to this union and its unique quirks. Joyboy then even says that LTO and Bell, his only two suspects are

not

aligned, meaning their read list only truly has one suspect in the end. I fear this incoherent list represents not Joyboy's true feelings, but was hastily built with ulterior motives. Joyboy is trying to deflect suspicion from away from his capitalistic lust for treasure.

Comrade, can I direct you to look at lemon?

Comrade Tao, I have already looked at lemon extensively, as per my grandiose speech in 318! I concluded that they where subtly undermining our union with their rhetoric. My post included both a vote for him and a delightful pun! I would be happy to vote him again should we convince more of our fellow workers of the world to unite in this cause. But first, I must investigate LTO's argument and Bell's rebuttal. This may take a while, as the combined length of both rivals the seminal work

Das Kapital

VOTE: Dunnstral

Comrade Firebringer, while our interactions in the past have sadly been few, I now feel compelled to ask why have you aimed your lens of suspicion at Comrade Dunnstral? Perusing the minutes of our past union meetings, the only time I can find you mentioning them was in missive #285. I had assumed this was in jest rather than a serious accusation of Dunn being a perfidious capitalist. Is there any further evidence for these aspersions so I may draw my own conclusions from your logic?

What do you think?

I think

I townread Firebringer and was confused by their vote, since I also townread Dunnstral. And it was right of me to ask since it was a meta argument and this is my 6th game on this site. I also think this is a bullshit post that exists solely because you've scumread me; I don't see anyone else asking other people questions getting

bold accusatory statements

. Likely case, you're tunneled. Worst case, scum trying to set me up as a future wagon.

And to get back in character. Something something unions good

If asking for an actual opinion is accusatory, then...I guess everything is accusatory. I have accused you of being scum, but directly giving you the opportunity to address my concerns is the opposite.

What are your HST and Lemon reads?

Comrade Titus, it was the bolding that I found offensive. As to your clarification and further questions, I have stated my opinions on many of our fellow workers throughout the game. My thoughts on Lemon.tangerine I have made abundantly clear; I find them suspicious across the board, from wording in early discussions, to an unprompted claim. I have happily voted them once, and would do so again without remorse or hesitation.

HolySpiritTurtle I find less clear due to their relative dearth of posts. I tentatively lean town, but this judgement may change after I see their case on Comrade Hu Tao.

I like HT & L_G's interactions around 1330ish.

Can we just put Pooky & Bell on opposite sides of the room? Bell's been the main character for like 90% of the game. Someone just cop/gunsmith him tonight so we can resolve it.

I'm also not reading any ISOs, used up all my tryhard energy thinking of synonyms for union and trying to remember how to spell bourgeoise

That's it. That's the entirety of direct mentions of their thoughts on Hu Tao one way or another before Day One ends. I'm supposed to believe this was his parity cop choice after leaving off on that positive note? (Oh, also, for the record, Hu Tao is NOT in his hero solve)

Let's do Drew next?

Day One Posts Mentioning Doctor Drew

VOTE: Joyboy
Comrades, upon rereading I find Joyboy's roster of pirates and foes in revolutionary pamphlet #567 alarming. As has been called out by the ever-vigilant Doctor Drew and Lady Terminally Online, it included the absent light_ganski as an ally of Joyboy's under flimsy pretenses. Furthermore, the only two foes on the roster were Bell, a safe accusation at the time, and LTO, who is new to this union and its unique quirks. Joyboy then even says that LTO and Bell, his only two suspects are

not

aligned, meaning their read list only truly has one suspect in the end. I fear this incoherent list represents not Joyboy's true feelings, but was hastily built with ulterior motives. Joyboy is trying to deflect suspicion from away from his capitalistic lust for treasure.

As page 47 heralds a friendly wager, I feel it unsporting to not enter

Spoiler: guess

Lemon, RH, Joyboy, Dr Drew

Wow. He literally only mentioned drew ONCE in passing as "Ever-vigilant" and then he's randomly in the hero solve?

Now Lemon gets plenty of mention, so let's go through Lemon.

Day One Posts Mentioning Lemon

Anyway inregards to our setup (i read someone posted it about being alot of 1-shot abilities which ofc it is lol) Id say that alot of ppl probably have much more creative abilities than on other forums.

Just a rumour i heard that setups are often more creative on mafiascum, sooo im expecting ppl to be doing more than complain abt union leaders lol

Aka throw nukes everywhere ty <3

Also n1 actions are gonna be p chaotic i assume bc 14 ppl all using joat actions lol (yes 15-1 is 14 after wagon)

So like what happens if everyone just kills another player?

Our noble group is 17 players, not 15. Likewise, we are blessed with a suite of one shots, made abundantly clear in the pre-game literature. Yet, this post is casual, nay, skeptical, about the existence of our one shots. Observe the hedging: "I read someone posted it", "a rumor", "probably have much more creative abilities". Our JOAT abilities were clear from the moment we signed up for the union!

COMRADES! I ask of you, why would a hard-working member of the proletariat ignore their unique skills and abilities? They would not. JOAT abilities are our way of interacting with the world, our way of finding information, our way of aiding and protecting allies, our way of furthering the perpetual march of progress! To ignore our skills is anathema to everything we stand for!

Therefore, there can be only one conclusion. Lemon.tangerine is a perfidious union-buster, as sour as his name. He has ignored his innate skills to focus on another ability, one shared with all scum. Murder.

VOTE: lemon.tangerine

Anyway inregards to our setup (i read someone posted it about being alot of 1-shot abilities which ofc it is lol) Id say that alot of ppl probably have much more creative abilities than on other forums.

Just a rumour i heard that setups are often more creative on mafiascum, sooo im expecting ppl to be doing more than complain abt union leaders lol

Aka throw nukes everywhere ty <3

Also n1 actions are gonna be p chaotic i assume bc 14 ppl all using joat actions lol (yes 15-1 is 14 after wagon)

So like what happens if everyone just kills another player?

Our noble group is 17 players, not 15. Likewise, we are blessed with a suite of one shots, made abundantly clear in the pre-game literature. Yet, this post is casual, nay, skeptical, about the existence of our one shots. Observe the hedging: "I read someone posted it", "a rumor", "probably have much more creative abilities". Our JOAT abilities were clear from the moment we signed up for the union!

COMRADES! I ask of you, why would a hard-working member of the proletariat ignore their unique skills and abilities? They would not. JOAT abilities are our way of interacting with the world, our way of finding information, our way of aiding and protecting allies, our way of furthering the perpetual march of progress! To ignore our skills is anathema to everything we stand for!

Therefore, there can be only one conclusion. Lemon.tangerine is a perfidious union-buster, as sour as his name. He has ignored his innate skills to focus on another ability, one shared with all scum. Murder.

VOTE: lemon.tangerine

Actually doesn’t this suggest otherwise? Omitting 2 players assumes 3-men team and if my brain still works correctly 17p usually has 4-men team, no?

I would indeed expect a 13-4 split; the foul bourgeoise would have sent no less than that to try, futile though it may be, to shatter our noble spirits. No, Lemon's omission of two comrades is a minor error that I would expect from distraction; instead the smoking gun of their perfidy comes from the skepticism of abilities. Reread their first sentence and tell me that it is not hedging, that is not feigned nonchalance. While the braying of Bell's possible slip still rings in our ears, lemon's words offer a far more damning perspective.

Omgus is nai

I concur. It is a natural reaction when one doubts your revolutionary spirit to lash back with harsh words and accusations. But while nai, it should be still noted in the annals of history in case a pattern of desperate flailing occurs.

Having revisited the minutes of our last union organizing meeting, I have identified several comrades who I believe are wholly devoted to our grand cause.

LTO: Has made herself a valuable member of this union with quick and intelligent reads
Pooky: A friendly comrade. Pocketed me early, so I must reevaluate in days to come
Dunnstral: While quiet, his words and votes are powerful and strategic
Titus: We may disagree, but she has a strong and confident spirit
Firebringer and Maid Cafe: Veteran union workers alike, whose casual play helps put all our hearts at ease.

I also fervently want to believe that Comrades Ircher and Relativistic Harmony can be trusted, but they have not yet demonstrated enough praxis to enmesh themselves within in my good graces.

Upon Joyboy and lemon.tangerine I have already expressed my doubts. Comrade Bell has also been troublesome to interpret, with actions both noble and base. However, suspicion is edging out. Any of these uncouth hobgoblins I would be happy to drag before a council of peers, as well as those suspiciously absent in discussions or in content.

VOTE: Joyboy
Comrades, upon rereading I find Joyboy's roster of pirates and foes in revolutionary pamphlet #567 alarming. As has been called out by the ever-vigilant Doctor Drew and Lady Terminally Online, it included the absent light_ganski as an ally of Joyboy's under flimsy pretenses. Furthermore, the only two foes on the roster were Bell, a safe accusation at the time, and LTO, who is new to this union and its unique quirks. Joyboy then even says that LTO and Bell, his only two suspects are

not

aligned, meaning their read list only truly has one suspect in the end. I fear this incoherent list represents not Joyboy's true feelings, but was hastily built with ulterior motives. Joyboy is trying to deflect suspicion from away from his capitalistic lust for treasure.

Comrade, can I direct you to look at lemon?

Comrade Tao, I have already looked at lemon extensively, as per my grandiose speech in 318! I concluded that they where subtly undermining our union with their rhetoric. My post included both a vote for him and a delightful pun! I would be happy to vote him again should we convince more of our fellow workers of the world to unite in this cause. But first, I must investigate LTO's argument and Bell's rebuttal. This may take a while, as the combined length of both rivals the seminal work

Das Kapital

Good day comrades! I have begun to catch up with the discussions I missed. Oh, that I could forsake sleep to forever revel in the spirit of the proletariat!

Comrade Bell continues to confound. I am no longer unsure if he is a noble revolutionary or a foul capitalist. While I will vote if necessary, I instead urge one of our union's cunning investigators to observe hia actiona closely during the night, as to truly divine his motives. Indeed, perhaps the second night, as his alleged isolation would render our investigator's hard work moot.

I have had little change of heart towards lemon.tangerine this past day. I see no reaaon to claim abilities in the manner they did unprompted, except to gain credibility with an alleged investigative role. Comrades, I remind all of you that fake claiming is easier than normal due to our suites of abilities.

In the past, I expressed my fervent wish to be able to trust Relativitic Harmony's revolutionary spirit. While my opinion has congealed, my wish did not come true. I am beginnimg to suspect RH to be a blaggart and infiltrator of our great union! I ask of you, noble workers, reread their words with a keen eye, see if you can see what I see

As page 47 heralds a friendly wager, I feel it unsporting to not enter

Spoiler: guess

Lemon, RH, Joyboy, Dr Drew

I'm calling the first post a clear RVS vote. The second post turns it into a serious scum read.



Here at least we have a clear trajectory to the read. But with that said... Here's why these targets fucking suck:


A parity cop's optimal town usage is to use a fairly well known target whose alignment you are nearly positive on, alongside two others. This gives you the most bang for your buck. None of the three names he chose as initial targets are in his "townpool".

What is the optimal MAFIA usage of a parity cop? Hint: Pick two murky towns and one scum and then when that scum flips you have a guaranteed mislim, OR when one of those towns dies anyways, well, now you have your murk-scum "cleared as town".

Here's his town pool. Why did none of these serve as the calibration choice?

LTO: Has made herself a valuable member of this union with quick and intelligent reads
Pooky: A friendly comrade. Pocketed me early, so I must reevaluate in days to come
Dunnstral: While quiet, his words and votes are powerful and strategic
Titus: We may disagree, but she has a strong and confident spirit
Firebringer and Maid Cafe: Veteran union workers alike, whose casual play helps put all our hearts at ease.

Why are the results "surprising" here?

Good morning comrades! I hope that we are all well rested and ready to resume our glorious revolution! Through a combination of meditation, interrogation, and rooting through garbage for suspicious evidence, I believe I have identified several comrades who are, surprisingly, trustworthy

From Laplacian's POV, he has a parity result on three people, none of which he was town reading, but one was NOT in his scum pool, and was in his "nulls" as of this point? Why should it be "surprising" to get a result of Hu Tao town? Hint: Because this is informed guilt and he knows Hu Tao is indeed his partner who he spent day one avoiding talking to or about much.

Add in the weirdness about being informed about third party, expanding the scum pool right when town wants to be narrowing it down.

[MariaR]

I mean if you think I'm scum pulling a gambit by all means you can get rid of me.

[Dunnstral]

The way we would joint win is if exe the mafia at the time I have everyone else marked by the way but that's the only way. If that sounds too much of a hassle you can exe me.

Alternatively MariaR is the last mafia and is trying to endgame us with this

[MariaR]

All I know is scum do have some sort of extra powers what they are shrug. It's why I don't think it is as simple as just Lap/Drew solves the game.

Not really my issue given I don't plan on visiting them but hey.
pedit: Imagine.

[MariaR]

Lemon basically cleared me ability wise so you know I'm not lying. It's not really in my hands anymore.

[Dunnstral]

Are you saying Lemon confirmed your factional ability finder?

[Cabd]

Last mafia is Laplacian by the way. Dr. Drew would be arguing himself into a corner with that list of players as I believe we had enough eliminations remaining for Maria, Dr. Drew, and Laplacian.

My one staying thought is why go through the bus drive ringamarole to "clear" me?

[MariaR]

Yes, you can read what Lemon said yourself and come to your own conclusion if you don't believe me.

[MariaR]

Last mafia is Laplacian by the way. Dr. Drew would be arguing himself into a corner with that list of players as I believe we had enough eliminations remaining for Maria, Dr. Drew, and Laplacian.

My one staying thought is why go through the bus drive ringamarole to "clear" me?

(the answer is that ninja exists and it makes me think it's outside of Lap and I want to vote off the Lover pair)

[Dunnstral]

From Lemon's role:

1-shot Even Night Snoopy Coworker. On the even night of your choice, you can target a player to learn what non-factional ability types they have and whether the abilities have been used.

From Hu Tao's role:

Your abilities are:
1-shot Day Ability cop - Once during a game day you can investigate another player and learn what kinds of JOAT abilities they have
1-shot Vengeful - If you are eliminated, during twilight you can choose a player to kill on your way out

Your factional abilities are:
[REDACTED]

I'm pretty sure MariaR is lying. Their factional ability would itself be a factional ability and Lemon wouldn't be able to see it. This means MariaR has another ability she is not claiming.

[Cabd]

(And I'm sure that murdering the lover pair and going down three slots in one day night cycle towards your win con is purely a cherry on top and not the primary motivation for it!)

[MariaR]

(And I'm sure that murdering the lover pair and going down three slots in one day night cycle towards your win con is purely a cherry on top and not the primary motivation for it!)

I am openly trying to townside because of Lemon and I would not pull a "haha" gotcha if people try to joint with me.

[Cabd]

From Lemon's role:

1-shot Even Night Snoopy Coworker. On the even night of your choice, you can target a player to learn what non-factional ability types they have and whether the abilities have been used.

From Hu Tao's role:

Your abilities are:
1-shot Day Ability cop - Once during a game day you can investigate another player and learn what kinds of JOAT abilities they have
1-shot Vengeful - If you are eliminated, during twilight you can choose a player to kill on your way out

Your factional abilities are:
[REDACTED]

I'm pretty sure MariaR is lying. Their factional ability would itself be a factional ability and Lemon wouldn't be able to see it. This means MariaR has another ability she is not claiming.

My impression is that the visiting every night thing was factional, but the factional action cop was a oneshot JOAT ability?