A total riot.
In post 453, zoraster wrote: In post 451, DirtyDishSoap wrote:I mean, I'd probably accept that a lot better than a nobody that beats a trained Sith by Luke, then Luke himself in combat in a very short span of time.
I mean, I think her early proficiency with the lightsaber was one of the weaker parts to TFA, but Ren was pretty
grievously hurt and it had previously established she was generally a very good fighter. And I'd argue that the fight scene between her and Luke wasn't really a two-way fight. He wasn't fighting her, she was fighting him. This was as she confronted him about attacking Kylo Ren, and the physical was tied to the verbal/emotional component.
Anyway, why should she be some family member? Obiwan wasn't someone famous's family. Anakin (outside of sorta crazy fan theories) wasn't. Like... having everything flow through two families is pretty limiting.
I would concede the argument initially if she had not beaten Luke, but it still stands to reason, someone that is practically untrained and is a street brawler with little to no refined style, then it should stand to reason that a guy that has beaten Vader in a duel would wipe the floor or wouldn't give the upper hand to someone like Reys backstory. Does that make sense?
I mean, in Anakins case, there was a story told by Sideous and his mentor, Plagueis in the prequels (yes...I'm referring the prequels...) that he and Plagueis were trying to achieve immortality and in Plagueis case, breaking the rule of two. They conducted a ritual that back fired and the force answered with Anakin. He's basically a byproduct of Darth Sidious and Plagueis tampering into the force. That's my memory on it at least.
In post 454, hiplop wrote: In post 449, DirtyDishSoap wrote:
If you think JJ Abrams or Rian Johnson have any originality to them, or the capability to take a risk, you'd be dead wrong.
Last Jedi whether you like it or not is easily the riskiest star wars film ever made by a HUGE margin.
If that you mean by being an incredibly poorly written film with glaring plot holes that tosses away any consistency with the previous films, sure, 100% correct. When I say that they take a risk or be creative, I can go in one direction off the bat. Rey turns to the darkside towards the middle/end of the film.
Boom! No one would have suspected it.
I'll be more than happy to completely breakdown the Last Jedi and why it's a pretty terrible film. Not just a terrible Star Wars film, but a terrible film in general.
