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Post Post #5975 (ISO) » Wed Sep 21, 2022 8:59 am

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In post 5965, Ausuka wrote:ok i'm really sorry

i wanted to do gamma iso tonight

i am not doing well rn and i don't think i can

is there anything specific someone wants me to comment on

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Post Post #5976 (ISO) » Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:00 am

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GUILTY LION

what is your read on me right now this second
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Post Post #5977 (ISO) » Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:04 am

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WHOOPSIES!
In post 1449, GuiltyLion wrote:VOTE: VPB
In post 1433, T3 wrote:Eiralox (4): humaneatingmonkey, fireisredsir, GuiltyLion, Irrelephant11
Irrelephant11 (4): scamper, Datisi, Nero Cain, Aristeia
so con wasn't a thing yet
In post 1514, GuiltyLion wrote:VOTE: conmanmick

I'm not opposed to a Gamma wagon but I kinda thought defending marci like he did (, ) was possibly townie from him. interested to hear Relly's ReasoningTM
but bonus points for defending Gamme here

I could have sworn there was a 3 or 4 vote wagon on VP
In post 1460, T3 wrote:VP Baltar (2): GuiltyLion, Ausuka
I could be thinking of that but he's on it so....bad point but still I could buy a VP-GL team distancing from each other like that.
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Post Post #5978 (ISO) » Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:04 am

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WHOOPSIES!
In post 1449, GuiltyLion wrote:VOTE: VPB
In post 1433, T3 wrote:Eiralox (4): humaneatingmonkey, fireisredsir, GuiltyLion, Irrelephant11
Irrelephant11 (4): scamper, Datisi, Nero Cain, Aristeia
so con wasn't a thing yet
In post 1514, GuiltyLion wrote:VOTE: conmanmick

I'm not opposed to a Gamma wagon but I kinda thought defending marci like he did (, ) was possibly townie from him. interested to hear Relly's ReasoningTM
but bonus points for defending Gamme here

I could have sworn there was a 3 or 4 vote wagon on VP
In post 1460, T3 wrote:VP Baltar (2): GuiltyLion, Ausuka
I could be thinking of that but he's on it so....bad point but still I could buy a VP-GL team distancing from each other like that.
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Post Post #5979 (ISO) » Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:05 am

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In post 5976, Dannflor wrote:GUILTY LION

what is your read on me right now this second
town

I was rereading your ISO a lil bit this morning and I don't like the way you kinda hold Gamma at a scumread at arm's distance

but the rest of your reads align really closely with mine overall so, don't wanna go there today
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Post Post #5980 (ISO) » Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:06 am

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I could theoretically be convinced that guiltylion is scum.
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Post Post #5981 (ISO) » Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:07 am

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In post 5973, Frogsterking wrote:Trying to save Gamma?
ftr if I was trying to save Gamma, I wouldn't take my foot off the gas on obscure at a critical juncture
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Post Post #5982 (ISO) » Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:07 am

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Last VC + Votes before GL reasserts TR on Gamma and revotes Obscure in /:

Spoiler:
In post 5285, Dannflor wrote:VOTE: Tweet
In post 5264, Frogsterking wrote:Oh lmao that's the extent of Tweet's catchup. I thought I was a couple pages behind.

VOTE: Tweet
In post 5238, Nero Cain wrote:VOTE: Morning Tweet

gamma has a history of replacing out as scum + his vote on HEM was scummy as shit
In post 5164, Ausuka wrote:VOTE: obscure

Whatever I'm just tired
In post 5183, GuiltyLion wrote:UNVOTE:

I also sort of had a gut town reaction to those obscure posts

idk I get that he just claimed but I do want to actually reread the ISOs again and avoid making a bad decision out of inertia
In post 5145, T3 wrote:Image

DeasVail (6): fireisredsir, Ausuka, marcistar, Frogsterking, Enchant, obscure
obscure (5): GuiltyLion, Datisi, Nero Cain, scamper, Dannflor
humaneatingmonkey (2): Ydrasse, Gamma Emerald
Thestatusquo (1): humaneatingmonkey
fireisredsir (1): Thestatusquo
Morning Tweet (1): DeasVail
Not voting (1): Something_Smart
Day 1 will end in (expired on 2022-09-18 20:44:00). With 17 alive it takes 9 to eliminate.


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I can say that unless the solve is exactly GL+Dease, GL had a better looking read progression and a larger wagon on Dease at the time of , so if scum!GL is really trying to save Gamma then the vote in would be on Dease instead of Obscure.
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Post Post #5983 (ISO) » Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:09 am

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In post 5973, Frogsterking wrote:Is this what you're seeing D2, Nero?
possibly. I actually really hate his explanation in .

Not impossible that it's just a bad read but its still :igmeou:
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Post Post #5984 (ISO) » Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:09 am

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do you guys think its only 4 scum, right?
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Post Post #5985 (ISO) » Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:10 am

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idk, why does that matter?
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Post Post #5986 (ISO) » Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:11 am

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idk we have a lot of power so far.
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Post Post #5987 (ISO) » Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:11 am

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it matters to me
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Post Post #5988 (ISO) » Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:12 am

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I actually do think people should have me in the POE if they're playing the game safely, the fact that I haven't drawn a lot of direct attention is a little weird, I don't think my associatives with either scum are all that townie from a neutral eye and there are a few slots that are just blatant town in light of both scumflips

@Nero I think if there is a gunsmith, with multiple vigs, it could be 4 scum + traitor. or some other form of cop-or-vig-immune scum
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Post Post #5989 (ISO) » Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:12 am

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i'm guessing 5 but i don't actually, Know
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Post Post #5990 (ISO) » Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:12 am

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In post 5979, GuiltyLion wrote:
In post 5976, Dannflor wrote:GUILTY LION

what is your read on me right now this second
town

I was rereading your ISO a lil bit this morning and I don't like the way you kinda hold Gamma at a scumread at arm's distance

but the rest of your reads align really closely with mine overall so, don't wanna go there today
I just feel like you've been holding me at arm's distance yourself

like you scum read me pretty strongly at one point

and now it seems like you neither town read me nor scum read me... at least not enough to push me and not enough to try and sort me
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Post Post #5991 (ISO) » Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:12 am

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i’m the gamma busser it’s me!!!!
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Post Post #5992 (ISO) » Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:13 am

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In post 5988, GuiltyLion wrote:there are a few slots that are just blatant town in light of both scumflips
what slots do you consider these to be
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Post Post #5993 (ISO) » Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:13 am

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Uh oh: Ausuka changed her vote off of Dease and onto Obscure after that VC! So the opposite is true; Obscure was the best wagon at the time of 5351 for scum!GL to try to save Gamma/Tweet.
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Post Post #5994 (ISO) » Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:15 am

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In post 5983, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 5973, Frogsterking wrote:Is this what you're seeing D2, Nero?
possibly. I actually really hate his explanation in .

Not impossible that it's just a bad read but its still :igmeou:
If it helps, my last two games I remember playing with gamma, she was obvscum in the first (Situation Room) to the point where she got yeeted D1, and then in Eurybia's Curse she was town who I waffled on townreading but ultimately eventually scumread her so aggressively that she replaced out in direct response. so I think I was hesitant to SR her here because I mistakenly SR her last game and the scumgame prior to that she was obvious, felt like I should have something better on her if she was scum
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Post Post #5995 (ISO) » Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:18 am

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In post 5992, Datisi wrote:
In post 5988, GuiltyLion wrote:there are a few slots that are just blatant town in light of both scumflips
what slots do you consider these to be
Nero, Ausuka, then I guess it's not "in light of flips" but I have you+scamper as unassailable town
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Post Post #5996 (ISO) » Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:18 am

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VOTE: GuiltyLion
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Post Post #5997 (ISO) » Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:19 am

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actually one other thought on mech / # of scum

would it be weird / non-normal to have a mafia vigilante

because that CSF shot was really quite bad and if CSF doesn't die soon that would be worth a look imo
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Post Post #5998 (ISO) » Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:20 am

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In post 5993, Frogsterking wrote:Uh oh: Ausuka changed her vote off of Dease and onto Obscure after that VC! So the opposite is true; Obscure was the best wagon at the time of 5351 for scum!GL to try to save Gamma/Tweet.
Wait, false alarm: my original interpretation was correct! Both Dann and Nero also took their votes off of Obscure, so the Wagons were 5 - 3 Dease Obscure at the time of !

What is GL is saying is true, GL unvoted Obscure when the wagon was at its peak and revoted it later when it was smaller than the Dease wagon and Tweet was getting fragged.
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Post Post #5999 (ISO) » Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:21 am

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In post 5990, Dannflor wrote:like you scum read me pretty strongly at one point
I don't really remember this? I was pushing you pretty hard but I don't think I was ever very confident in the read

idk I haven't felt especially great about any of my reads this game. I have you as like, probably town, but not bet the game on town and not worth looking at today. that's gonna drive me to not "sort" you directly much unless you say something that is completely bonkers / alarming
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