Infernal Affairs - Game Over!

[Dwlee99]

lmao you're fun to play with

[Tejate Raichu]

Regardless of the veracity of the tell, frogster really has not given me the impression of being town at all. Why even bring up Magik if the case wasn't ready? Why draw an associative to me? Why vote for Magik if the scumread on me isn't an associative? Furthermore, Frogster said the case on Magik was "mostly done", so why not give us a crumb of information as to why they actually think Magik is scum?

[MagikHorse]

I've played multiple games from time to time, and I think it's unfair to judge someone based on differing activity between games. The other commitments might have the player more vested in the current game state, or require their time over other commitments. I myself can't multitask for shit, so sometimes I'll make sacrifices in time if a game doesn't require my immediate presence.

That being said, I think we can weigh in on frog's content here just fine without worry of their presence elsewhere. It's not like they have similar post content to someone like Frozen Angel. It is Day 1, early game still as a matter of fact, and it shouldn't really be concerning yet the amount of content any one player has produced yet.

Maybe, though I still find it rather concerning that they said they had so much of it done already (363) and then hasn't done much since. This is the heart that concerns me more.

pedit: Tejate reading my mind or something.

[MagikHorse]

Like really, the only thing they've said towards me being scum so far has been

- They read me right in one game nearly 2 years ago
- I'm a "good scum player"

Even if I ignore the Ellitell, this is just bad reasoning all around. If anything it feels like a Town of Salem Executioner play.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

VOTE: Magikhorse is one scum and my pick for the partner is

Tejate

.

vote town (magic), bus buddy (Tejate)?

Why do you scumread tejate again?

[Tejate Raichu]

Like really, the only thing they've said towards me being scum so far has been

- They read me right in one game nearly 2 years ago
- I'm a "good scum player"

Even if I ignore the Ellitell, this is just bad reasoning all around. If anything it feels like a Town of Salem Executioner play.

Tej the Sheriff
N1: Magik (SUS!)

[Tejate Raichu]

If we were super close to deadline right now and had to choose a wagon, Frogster or Galron would be the ones I'd be most inclined to lim.

[Firebringer]

Yes, I agree with this. Not certain I'd declare keeper isn't going to endgame yet, but Fire is trying to take the easy path, avoid as little conflict/attention possible.. definitely not feeling towny

i had more to respond to but this post just doesn't connect with events or what u have even said about my other posts

[Firebringer]

Keeper what r u reads on me and nero

Nero seeks to Deal with Angels.
You I'm not so sure on. I suspect you're trying to get to the Angels through Sacrifice.

can someone translate

[Firebringer]

I've played multiple games from time to time, and I think it's unfair to judge someone based on differing activity between games. The other commitments might have the player more vested in the current game state, or require their time over other commitments. I myself can't multitask for shit, so sometimes I'll make sacrifices in time if a game doesn't require my immediate presence.

That being said, I think we can weigh in on frog's content here just fine without worry of their presence elsewhere. It's not like they have similar post content to someone like Frozen Angel. It is Day 1, early game still as a matter of fact, and it shouldn't really be concerning yet the amount of content any one player has produced yet.

so what is ur stance on frog posts?

[MagikHorse]

Keeper what r u reads on me and nero

Nero seeks to Deal with Angels.
You I'm not so sure on. I suspect you're trying to get to the Angels through Sacrifice.

can someone translate

I think it means he townreads NEro, and thinks you may be town but are doing it weirdly? I dunno, the latter line is harder to read than the forner.

[Firebringer]

VOTE: Nero Cain

I think Firebringer is correct about slots hiding behind gimmicks, like. Maybe it's just because I haven't actually played Binding of Isaac, but this doesn't look like playing the game with a gimmick so much as playing the gimmick with a game, to the point that it is actively detrimental to communication.

Having said that, my vote goes to Nero because jumping in to chainsaw Keeper over a pretty tame and reasonable push is much scummier, and a flip there is likely to shed light on Keeper themself.

when radical rat is only one who understands and agrees with me.....its an interesting game

pedit yeah i thought they were saying Nero is town but i was confused on second line

[The Keeper]

keeper, what do you think of tejate

I need to borrow Bob's Brain for this one, I am inclined to think they're aiming for The Dark room instead of The Cathedral for now, though.

scumlean.

uh if you have a scumlean somewhere, why are you still voting for yourself?

Charons Obel.
Two coins.
Two votes.

(Sorry, i don't get it)

Charons Obel was a coin placed in the mouth of a deceased family member or friend to ensure they could pay The Ferryman, Charon to take them across the River Styx to the underworld where they would be safe. This was corrupted somewhat and became a coin over each eye. One to pay the Ferryman, one for good fortune.

First vote, I pay the ferryman.
Second Vote, I hope my fortune is good.

[Toogeloo]

so what is ur stance on frog posts?

I haven't taken one. Frog is unmemorable to me.

[Tejate Raichu]

so what is ur stance on frog posts?

I haven't taken one. Frog is unmemorable to me.

You don't find anything at all interesting about claiming a hard scumread on a semi-popular TR with not even a shred of real reasoning? Scum going against the grain for the sake of it isn't exactly uncommon.

[Firebringer]

think we can weigh in on frog's content here just fine without worry of their presence elsewhere.

i dont understand why u say this if u think its not memorable or worthy of attention if ur saying theres stuff that we can weigh in on

[The Keeper]

Keeper what r u reads on me and nero

Nero seeks to Deal with Angels.
You I'm not so sure on. I suspect you're trying to get to the Angels through Sacrifice.

can someone translate

I think it means he townreads NEro, and thinks you may be town but are doing it weirdly? I dunno, the latter line is harder to read than the forner.

Two Dollars

[Scorpious]

I've played multiple games from time to time, and I think it's unfair to judge someone based on differing activity between games. The other commitments might have the player more vested in the current game state, or require their time over other commitments. I myself can't multitask for shit, so sometimes I'll make sacrifices in time if a game doesn't require my immediate presence.

That being said, I think we can weigh in on frog's content here just fine without worry of their presence elsewhere. It's not like they have similar post content to someone like Frozen Angel. It is Day 1, early game still as a matter of fact, and it shouldn't really be concerning yet the amount of content any one player has produced yet.

I would tend to agree with comment about different levels of vestment in certain games. Never know. Could be a deadline day and we’re piddling around here.

Again, not shading just genuinely curious, both answers seem relatively fair.

[Firebringer]

i don't like how andante has phrased multiple of my posts.
reframing is really irking me.

[Toogeloo]

think we can weigh in on frog's content here just fine without worry of their presence elsewhere.

i dont understand why u say this if u think its not memorable or worthy of attention if ur saying theres stuff that we can weigh in on

Royal we.

[Firebringer]

i am not royalty no matter, i know i look it but im not toog

[Firebringer]

well im off for the night. gnight yall

[MagikHorse]

keeper, what do you think of tejate

I need to borrow Bob's Brain for this one, I am inclined to think they're aiming for The Dark room instead of The Cathedral for now, though.

scumlean.

uh if you have a scumlean somewhere, why are you still voting for yourself?

Charons Obel.
Two coins.
Two votes.

(Sorry, i don't get it)

Charons Obel was a coin placed in the mouth of a deceased family member or friend to ensure they could pay The Ferryman, Charon to take them across the River Styx to the underworld where they would be safe. This was corrupted somewhat and became a coin over each eye. One to pay the Ferryman, one for good fortune.

First vote, I pay the ferryman.
Second Vote, I hope my fortune is good.

So... you're not going to make your second vote until you think your chances are good, and that you'll lock your vote in at that point? Am I reading this right?

Feels like it could be used a lot better to generate some pressure if nothing else, and I don't see why you'd limit yourself like that.

[The Keeper]

keeper, what do you think of tejate

I need to borrow Bob's Brain for this one, I am inclined to think they're aiming for The Dark room instead of The Cathedral for now, though.

scumlean.

uh if you have a scumlean somewhere, why are you still voting for yourself?

Charons Obel.
Two coins.
Two votes.

(Sorry, i don't get it)

Charons Obel was a coin placed in the mouth of a deceased family member or friend to ensure they could pay The Ferryman, Charon to take them across the River Styx to the underworld where they would be safe. This was corrupted somewhat and became a coin over each eye. One to pay the Ferryman, one for good fortune.

First vote, I pay the ferryman.
Second Vote, I hope my fortune is good.

So... you're not going to make your second vote until you think your chances are good, and that you'll lock your vote in at that point? Am I reading this right?

Feels like it could be used a lot better to generate some pressure if nothing else, and I don't see why you'd limit yourself like that.

Correct, my second vote locks in.
The pressure comes later, A maximum of two votes, makes my first one VERY potent and my second one deadly.
The limitation maximises my potential - no matter what game you play, you know the higher damage is almost always better.

[momo]

Hey y'all apologies for the low activity. A friend of mine is organizing a charity event for the situation in Ukraine on Sunday and asked for my help. I'll likely be V/LA until then.

Catching up on reading, a few thoughts before I get into an actual read
- I don't remember if hyper-posting was this bad when I last played mafia, but it's not a particularly pro town way to the play the game, imo. I get that some people think it's fun, but it allows people to escape having to construct actual arguments (which are generally more AI than shitposting).
- The gimmick accounts aren't particularly pro-town but neither is pushing for them to be lynched, especially Day 1 when we have a multitude of other candidates.

With that out of the way, onto what I really want to say. Radical Rat has had pretty much zero votes cast on them but the slot is not particularly towny? In fact, it's rather scummy.

VOTE: Nero Cain

I think Firebringer is correct about slots hiding behind gimmicks, like. Maybe it's just because I haven't actually played Binding of Isaac, but this doesn't look like playing the game with a gimmick so much as playing the gimmick with a game, to the point that it is actively detrimental to communication.

Having said that, my vote goes to Nero because jumping in to chainsaw Keeper over a pretty tame and reasonable push is much scummier, and a flip there is likely to shed light on Keeper themself.

I don't particularly like this rationale for voting. It feels like an easy vote at that point in the game with the way conflict was shaping up. More than that, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Nero is an experienced player and I don't see him jumping onto the Keeper wagon as scum. Nobody is getting voted out this early in the day, and at this point in time it's a push totally unnecessary for scum to make.

Also, I watched the movie. Unfortunately the YouTube video was down, so I had to find a sketchier version of it with a questionable translation, BUT I thought it was pretty good. Mixed feelings on the ending, which I will not elaborate on for the sake of those who haven't seen it yet. Also mildly disappointed by the lack of actual demons and shit, I was expecting the infernal to be literal.

Now then, I also have some setup spec based on my viewing. I suspect there may be an impostor Among Us!

play laugh track

But for real, IF the setup is actually based on the movie and it's not just a regular game with movie flavor, I expect a traitor to exist, as well as a reverse traitor. So watch out for that

What's a reverse traitor and why do you expect one?

Like a Traitor but with the alignments swapped.

So instead of a secret Mafia in the Town, it'd be a secret Town in the Mafia. Though actually now that I'm typing this out, it probably doesn't exist because of how wildly game-breaking it would be if they just outed the whole scumteam in their first post, unless the scumchat is anonymized somehow. Perhaps a Miller or something instead then, idk.

In any case, the reasoning was that the premise of Infernal Affairs (the movie) is that an undercover cop and a Triad member in the police force are struggling to outmaneuver and expose each other, without blowing their own respective cover. Traitor seemed like the natural way to implement such a concept.

Now these two quotes get to my real problem with Radical. There's not much in terms of player sorting in his ISO (to be fair, there's not much in mine either) but we do have this. This vague mech speculation is a great way to

appear

like you're contributing to the town, but as scum is one of the lowest consequence contributions you can make.

Especially early in the game when there's a lot of information yet to be uncovered, it's in the best interest of scum to not rock the boat, vote occasionally based on where the town is going, appear like you're presenting in-depth analysis, but not really pushing anything particularly alignment indicative that will make your role more evident after a role flip.

Also, checking the mod's ISO, not a single vote has been cast on Radical - not even in RVS. The odds of that happening with this kind of iso feel higher if the person in question is scum (if they weren't, I'm sure scum would recognize the easy bait).

An iso heavily centered on mech speculation alone is enough reason to be suspicious, but when combined with the lack of any real initiative and the sole vote being probably the least objectionable one available (while there might not be a particularly large wagon on Nero, his aggressive behavior and the absence of a large wagon makes the vote very safe), it's not a good look at all.


I must VOTE: Radical Rat.