Not...really? Sorry I know that isn't the ideal response but the game in question is here:In post 622, BlackVoid wrote:You said in 195 that Osuka seemed different to how he played in a scumgame of his you were reading. Can you explain what this difference is? I don't understand the basis behind your Osuka townread in the first place. Can you talk about what you mean when you say that he "isn't trying to direct you in any particular way?"
We're either in a situation with a JK or Tracker given the BP claim.In post 622, BlackVoid wrote:I don't understand why Paul is a scumread based on the no kill. Shooting the BP is the optimal move for scum because it doesn't change the number of mislynches they need to win, and by taking away the bulletproof they have the freedom to get rid of a conf-town later on if they feel the need to. Shooting elsewhere would be a risk since scum might be shooting a potential mislynch and get POE'd more easily if the confirmed town makes it too far into the game. So, I'd expect anyone to take that shot. I also think it's weird that you were townreading Paul all along until skitter replaced in and started attacking him, and then there's a "vote: Paul, w/e" tone of resignation and then a weird justification for the vote later. Can you go over how your Paul read developed and why the resigned tone?
Two other problems with your nightkill logic: Firstly, Osuka was widely townread as well so it could just as well apply to him as Paul. Secondly, there are two scum so their nightkill would be determined by what benefits both of them so just picking out Paul on the basis of "widely townread player making a no-info kill" seems weird at this point.
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With 8 alive, it takes 5 to Lynch Deadline is in (expired on 2017-08-31 19:41:35) |
That's just it!!! The other PR hadn't claimed! So the kill was going to be made either aiming for the other PR or BY SOMEONE SURE THEY WOULDN'T BE A SUSPECT AND FELT SAFE MAKING A NO INFO BP SHOT.In post 627, BlackVoid wrote:The other PR didn't claim so you're assuming that mafia know who the other PR is. If they take that gamble and end up shooting a VT, that makes the game much harder for them than just playing it safe and removing the bulletproof from the 1-shot BP. I saw your comment about the kill and your point could be semi-valid if there was a lone scum remaining. But there are two scum so I'm not sure why you are assuming that one of them has to be townread and that it is Paul. Why couldn't Madtatters or DoctorPepper or Aphix make that kill for instance.
On re-read, I noticed that MadTatters quickhammered so you probably didn't have that much time between when MWAP was at L-1 and hammer but why not make a stronger effort to stall the wagon while you figure stuff out or talk to Paul who you were townreading and who was pushing the MWAP wagon the hardest?
Is your read reversal on DoctorPepper based solely on him voting Aphix after Aphix said that Paul scumslipped?
Madtatters isn't a "get rid of a distraction moving forward" vote.In post 629, BlackVoid wrote:One more thing, you are essentially voting Madtatters because you don't want him in lylo. How is that so different than lynching MWAP because he was a destructive to the game and him being alive would be more detrimental to town than just lynching him? Both are essentially "get rid of a distraction moving forward" but you were calling BS on the MWAP lynch while advocating for the Madtatters lynch.
Is it normal for you to not have strong scumreads?
It's hard to explain a read I'm not sure on anymore though.In post 630, BlackVoid wrote:If you can, give me your best shot at explaining the Osuka townread because that's the one read I think would be most helpful for getting a read on both you and him.
To clarify on this - it wasn't "so town" so much as I didn't think aphix and dp would be scum together there.In post 634, BlackVoid wrote:I still don't get why DoctorPepper's vote on Aphix was so town that it erased all your previous concerns with him being an "opportunistic fuck" about the MWAP lynch. Aphix said Paul scumslipped. Osuka called it bullshit. You agreed and called it even more bullshit. Then DoctorPepper voted Aphix. It was a ridiculously safe vote.
See to me if you look at everything NTRP has been doing when there was pressure was "classic town move," to me it looks scripted. Like he's trying to look town.In post 641, BlackVoid wrote:With that said, I thought him wanting to replace out was indicative of town. That seems like a dick move for scum to pull upon being caught and Paul comes across more as a laid back, chill dude so I have a hard time imagining him doing that as scum. But I can see town getting this frustrated.
A person claiming scum is a PL plain and simple. I've seen the same from a player here called BBMolla. And it makes sense. If that person is town, then it means they are not taking the game seriously and are not gonna give good reads. Yes, it could be a wasted lynch, but scum aint gonna NK that and I wouldn't trust a player with that judgment and lack of thinking to go into a potential lylo situation. Basically, it's a lynch that gets rid of a potential liability.In post 640, BlackVoid wrote:DoctorPepper:
I have conflicting feelings here. I don't find the reasoning behind either of his major pushes compelling. The MWAP vote was basically a policy-lynch for claiming scum. The Aphix vote was purely because Aphix accused Paul of scumslipping (something that Osuka and JaeReed pushed before DoctorPepper did).
But I liked how strongly he was pushing Aphix in 393. He comes across like he really buys into his argument.
Why policy-lynch someone that claimed scum? If you really thought it was a scumclaim, I'd expect something like "well, he gave up and claimed scum so let's lynch him." The policy-lynch phrasing seems like you either knew he was town or didn't really expect him to flip scum there and comes across as not taking responsibility for the flip. Immediately griping about the lynch in 285 right after voting feels weird.
I don't understand your townreads either. JaeReed is still a townread because he proposed a BP-claim strategy? MWAP was town because his posts give off a "vibe of a newb-town player?" What does that mean? You said in 212 that it could be scum acting cautious but you doubt it. Why? Also, how come you were townreading MWAP for being cautious and now townreading MadTatters for not being cautious? A little more elaboration on the distinctions would be nice.
