Still more scummy than not
I feel like I've seen tilted town and scum have this reaction to Shoshin in equal measure
The caps here being a gimmick, I'm leaning towards the latter
This progression was like slightly towny, but boy does sheep flip flop on this later
tinfoil theory: Sheep *is* actually metadiving, but his results are mostly in the scum thread (trying to figure out who to mislynch), and this was a slip of that.
Note to self: Potentially it's possible to check this by seeing if Shoshin has any interesting 2042's - if I'm ever realllll bored
hm, reinforces the tinfoil theory but eh
In post 194, FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP wrote:MY JOKE BROKE. KEYSER SÖZE HAS GLORIOUS GAMESOLVING. PROACTIVELY GOING OUT OF HIS WAY TO INTERACT WITH PEOPLE.
Strong townread on Keyser is +rand scum-indicative based on Keyser's death (too hard to turn around on)
otoh if scum are the only ones sharing scumreads of Keyser that's a pretty good kill too
In post 202, teacher wrote:I will consider policying FWS if nothing strikes me on the readthrough. Please use regular caps? Pretty please? I hear there is free bread on offer.
Interesting that this gets through to sheep (though not immediately)
Tinfoil theory #2: teacher pressured sheep to drop the caps in the scum thread so he wouldn't have to go through with this/reference it ever again
Still a bad post, interesting that it's kinda a chainsaw for sheep
In post 220, teacher wrote:Alright, Im through 219. Time for the effort-post catchup. The popin questions from the readthrough still stand.
Elephant -- I will be paranoid of him ever since he cakewalked our first game on site as scum (cf.
180-Nauci). But this game from him feels different than the one time we played together recently. I found it interesting that immediately after the naked and unannounced L-1, he claimed an inno on Sho (
80). The Elephant I know tracks votes better than this. As a result, the catchup VC in
158 felt a bit forced as well. On the other hand, I liked
167's explanation for the take on Carmen, a slot I am being pinged by. Mostly, I want you to talk about
129. I found the reads on Shoshin and Keyser off at the time, but they may be based on Meta I dont know. Please to explain? Pure null.
Me -- dirtbag.
Keyser -- I liked the early tone of GIFS and
19, though I cant explain why. I found the unannounced L-1 concerning, especially with the later request for no quicklynch, so am interested in
The Worst
explaining why it would be a townread. As for Keyser himself, I echo Xwing's question of what was giving you wolfy vibes about that slot as of
106? The naked vote on me seems a bit much of a reaction to what was admittedly a forced post, and potentially an early jump to an incipient wagon. While I liked later posts (145, 148, 171), on balance I think this slot is posting alot without providing much. Null scum within rand.
Krazy -- AFK getting no attention for it.
Carmen -- A similar read to Keyser. There is more I like here, such as the early interactions with Shoshin in 46 and 53. I am seeing some effort to sort, but am not sure I buy the sorting that results -- the townread on Sheep from asking for a Wiki, and the scumread on elephant both seem pretty empty. I certainly dont think you can call Elephant's ISO totally devoid of content, and am not sure I buy that Sheep actually wanted to metadive. pure null.
Shoshin -- my hardest slot. By far the most content, but almost entirely self-focused. Others say that this type of defensiveness is consistent with meta. I had a scumread as of 107, but have questions about the wagon. The first RVS wagon is almost never the lynch for the day, because people have a slight psychological block about returning to where they first voted. I am confident (by both statistics and gut) that there was one scum on the wagon at the time. I am not as confident for what this means about Shoshin's own slot -- whether it was distancing or not. The most pro-town thing I am seeing so far is 166's case on FWS. Shoshin, can you provide analysis on other players completely ignoring their read on you for the time being?
Fluffy -- The caps are an eyesore, but Im liking the material there. The interchange in 177 and 178 in particular seems guided by a true effort to sort. Why did you call this (on page 3 just hours after opening) a slow early game (
60)?
Xwing -- was troubled that an apparent newb knew enough to tell the mod in the confirmatory PM that they were VLA weekends, until I read that they had played three newbs already. This is my hardest townread from 94 and 124. I also think 186 is rich with potential associative tells if I need to reexamine this.
The Worst -- my second hardest townread. Why did you not mention elephant in
190? Can you speak more on your solve, because if it involves your Dayvig proposal it is off. I also want to know more about the Keyser town (from the L-1 and the naked vote on me).
teacher has referenced this post as *so obviously* stating that either me or Carmen is scum. I definitely don't read those words anywhere in here? Am I missing something?
Also read of fluffy sheep is definitely not anti-partner in any way. "liking the material"/"guided by a true effort to sort"/weak question is super easy svs material. If anything this is maybe weak svs read for someone I thought had a more impressive scum game (teacher)? But that's too generous a read I feel, especially in a micro where most players would go for easy interactions with scum partners as long as they think they can get a couple mislynches (bussing not being as helpful as in, say, a large).
In post 237, teacher wrote: In post 228, Keyser Söze wrote: In post 225, teacher wrote:If forced to vote, it would be Keyser, but Id rather not park when I might not be back.
Strange
... trying to connect me as your partner eh?
Why not vote here? I'm your strongest scum read... I am in no danger of being hammered... don't you want to see me under pressure?
Catching up now.
Not confident and n returning for 48 and have a stronger joint sr (Ie at least 1 is wolf) on CarmenElephant than on iso you.
Still don't see any explanation anywhere for this MUST HAVE ONE SCUM read of the two of us. Reads as setting up for post-Carmen-mislynch, tbh.
Refer to tinfoil theory #2 (this happened shortly after a teacher post, meaning teacher was probably online to discuss this. Man if my tinfoil theories are correct this game.......)
In post 283, FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP wrote: In post 281, Irrelephant11 wrote:sheep let's talk about Carmen and teacher
pretend one of them has to be scum and help me figure out which it is
Out of the two, I feel like teacher is the more likely scum? Carmen could go either way but teacher's 202 is very poor and nothing else seems to pull him back up.
Kinda over-scumreads teacher, imo. I think this is slightly partner indicative.
I've made this post as scum. I've never made it as town
I think the reason why is "screw this" sorta pre-emptively answers the "wow that was unexpected why did you do that?" with "I just felt like it in the moment, it's super natural of me"
whereas if town's reads change suddenly because of paranoia they usually reference their paranoia or just don't explain (so as to get a reaction out of the person they think might be scum)
In post 509, teacher wrote:Im now the AFK along with Krazy, and you have my apologies because I hate that normally. I slept for 12 hours when I intended to play last night. Im judging a debate tourney today but will get in action between rounds and definitely tonight as Im rested.
My reads have gotten stronger on town TW. A little weaker on Xwing simply from coasting when they are vla weekends and didnt seem to do much after securing a townread on Thur and Fri, but I still think the contentful posts ring townie. FWS has moved way down for me, Key has moved way up. Im at the point where my pool is Krazy, Elephant, Carmen, FWS.
Im still conflicted on Carmen and Elephant. Im locked that there is a scum there, but I want to double ISO for more confidence on which one. To be clear, my pure nulls on both were thinking one must be scum but not having strong pings on which one. Im also hesistant on reading Elephant because I have a genuine like for him as a person - I like how the game isnt personal for him. In my three games with him, Ive also misread him three times, so have little confidence on my ability to read his playstyle.
In addition to that double ISO, Im going to do a game search for Krazy, because I think reactions to that AFK may be informative. I want that slot to play the weekend like they said they would, and the two Friday posts seem like posting just to post without content or taking stances.
"sorry for afk, here's my excuse"/"if one of these two townies flips town, lynch the other" both come from scum more than town imo
Still don't know why teacher thinks there has to be a scum between me and Carmen, or how he's "locked" on that (no second thoughts, after being afk and not having time to sort properly?)
Also his little thing about how he likes me and that makes it harder to read me kinda sounds like hedging his scumread so he can both push me and be allowed to be wrong
Also strong townread on Keyser similarly is +rand scum indicative because Keyser death (honestly it reads like "well we've decided to kill Keyser tonight")
with the same caveat from before that this is only true dependent on others' reads of Keyser I have yet to double check
Really, these were convincing??? I didn't think so
In post 525, FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP wrote:Shoshin wrote:I'm about as serious as I could be at this point, Invis. Voting on policy for behaviors outside this game seems like the most pro-scum thing so far, plus I wanted to start building a wagon since everyone was splitting the votes.
Another thing that Shosh did in this game that she did in another game.
In post 529, FLUFFY WHITE SHEEP wrote:Ok.
I finished reading/skimming Shosh's iso in the games the worst provided and that makes me feel better.
UNVOTE:
Back to townreading shoshin because meta (as he should)
This, given his later hammer on Carmen, is pretty terrible
Hmmm I can't decide if scum teacher would say this about scum sheep
In post 578, teacher wrote:VOTE: Carmen
L-1.
Also willing to go to FWS. Feels like the game is lagging a bit, but likely thats just the weekend absences. Im planning to be around tonight FWIW.
This one is slightly more anti-partner-y than the last, though if sheep had already said in scumtalk he would hammer Carmen at his next opportunity it's meaningless
"still"..? The unvote earlier made it seem like shoshin was a new townread. This read seems faked all around.
Crap, as we all know.
Crappier, given strong meta reasons why shoshin is town. Does D1 really read like scum!shoshin picking out Carmen and leading town to a mislynch?
No you're not.
anyway you're at L-1 soooo there's that..
you can refer to our past completed game..hope it's not annoying for anyone though..