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Post Post #650 (ISO) » Sat Nov 14, 2020 9:10 am

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In post 486, DoubtingThomas wrote:The RapMonster profile pic guy. I think the way he approaches the thread lacks scummy agenda. Him trying to 'calm' people down is >rand townie. He's not clogging the thread, but seems like helping town in a way that wolves would not want to do. He's also been the most friendly out of all the people who I do not know (which is everyone but Guillotine and Gamma to a very slight degree), so I am almost forced to town read him and form a town core there.
Do you see friendliness as a town trait?
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Post Post #651 (ISO) » Sat Nov 14, 2020 9:16 am

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Ok. I gathered enough data to believe that VOTE: Gamma Emerald
is scum
and that
superbowl9
might be his partner.

I havent read anything since my last post writing this, so I'll catch up!

Look into the spoilers! Let the scumhunt begin!


Spoiler:
In post 257, Gamma Emerald wrote:VOTE: Guillotina
Between taking a joke a bit too seriously and having a pretty hard LAMIST tone I’m okay with this going aorn
Being ok with an elimination for someone not taking a joke is hardcore scum.

In post 280, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 260, Guillotina wrote:This sounds like you tried hard to find a reason to find me scum, cast a ridiculous vote on me and see if it gains momentum. This gets you lynched where i come from.
You really think you SCARE me? I eat players like you for breakfast. And I don’t think I had to “try hard” to find those reasons. The joke thing is self-evident and as for why it’s scummy, scum don’t really have the mental bandwidth to be figuring out what is and isn’t a joke effectively, they’re to busy trying to deceive everyone to allocate that brainpower. It’s not exactly scientific but it’s what I’ve discerned over time. And your LAMIST behavior comes from stuff like where it seems a little theatrical to be making that sort of commentary, to the point I find it likely that it is actively staged. The desire to project a townie mindset seems a little TOO strong imo.
I replied to this here:

In post 308, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 282, DoubtingThomas wrote:
In post 250, Gamma Emerald wrote:Oh you just responded out of order. We played in the Merchant’s Daughter game, we were scum together

Tbh that delayed response has me like :S
wait btw did we win? wasnt Nancy Drew there
yeah we won
In post 286, Guillotina wrote: Interesting choice of words. “I eat players like you for breakfast” in a game where scum are the cannibals. I know that remark is NAI but it was so funny! Lol.
Disregarding the rest of the post rn because it’s probably weaksauce nonsense
, why call this out if you don’t feel it’s alignment indicative at all? If I’m trying to legitimately send a message with that, it places me in a small set of players where if I’m town, it would be advised to not call such a thing out. I wasn’t exactly subtle about it, but you felt compelled to call it out for no constructive purpose. If you are town all you are doing is sounding like a smug smartass by calling something out like this. All you’re doing in that case is signaling that you’re desperate for validation of your intelligence. Which kinda lines up with the attitude you’ve already put out.
At this point I was suspicious of Gamma of being scum so I took a gamble and decided to pocket him.
(I still don't believe you didnt read the entire post considering how fixated you were onto me. So saying that you disregarded the rest of the post because it was probably weaksause, is bullshit! You needed to make time to answer to that.
In post 310, Gamma Emerald wrote:Yeah the entire point-by-point response was just twisting everything I said until you could reasonably turn it against me. No thanks, not dignifying that with a proper breakdown.
Notice the aggressiveness of his replies, such aggressiveness is NAI and someone that is town is expected to be this way but...

In post 316, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 313, Guillotina wrote:
In post 310, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Yeah the entire point-by-point response was just twisting everything I said until you could reasonably turn it against me. No thanks, not dignifying that with a proper breakdown.
It was not my intention to twist and turn it against you. It's a habit. I'm a psychologist.
That may be so, but you seemed intent to take anything I said the opposite to what I meant if it served to debase my statement. That seems less like proper psychology and more like a self-serving implementation of it.

But setting that aside, it seems you are being genuine here. As such, I’ll let the push go
, but I’ll also state I still don’t really rate you. It’s easy to talk a big game, but without proper evidence I can’t tell how well you fit into those big shoes you’re trying to fill.
UNVOTE:

VOTE: Chaos Triforce
Idk if I had been clear on this yet, but I feel like they generally haven’t been impressive, and Noraa in particular seems a bit off I think? To put a pinpoint on one of my issues, I feel like they’re a bit overly defensive about everything.
If he was town he'd bother to enquire what my reaction was coming from. Instead he accused me, he said that I was twisting everything until I could
REASONABLY
turn it against him. When I said that I town-read him for an excuse that only a wolf would believe, he dropped all weapons and dropped his push on me???
POCKET ATTEMPT: SUCCESS!
If he was town he would have said something like, "no wait minute you pushed on me and twisted my words to make me look like a wolf and now you townread me? Fuck that!"
I know I would have, you don't get to frame me and then stop my push because you say you town read me, if you town read me for that, then you must know I'm town.

But he didn't react anywhere near that way, at this point he surely thought that he had pocketed me! LOLSCUM

From this point forward I followed him to see who he'd wolf and town spew.

In post 361, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 331, chkflip wrote:
In post 317, Chaos Triforce wrote:
In post 299, superbowl9 wrote:
In post 294, chkflip wrote:YO SUPERBOWL DID YOU RAND SCUM WITHOUT ME!?
You’ll know if you’re dead by tomorrow :lol:
I see this specifically coming from scum more than town.

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Scuuuuuuuuuuuum shaaaaaaaaaaaade

Bowl is undoubtedly town.
Yeeeaaah I'm gonna need you to back that one up. Though I also would like better explanation of why the people SRing superbowl are doing so too.
"Translation: Yaaah, I'm gonna need you to to tell me why you scum read bowl so I could pocket you too and I'm gonna need everyone to tell me why the SR superbowl to kill you tonight."

In post 372, Gamma Emerald wrote:town: tay, guillo,
weak town: chk, johnny, pj
bleh idk: superb, ari, dt
actually idk: sirius, poblong
scum: chaos
He pockets me and Taylor. I took a look at Taylor's games like she suggested and noticed that when she is town, she is care free and relax, like she is here. Evidently I put her in my scum list, to see if "Town" Gamma would try to convince me in detailed why Taylor was town, but he never did.

In post 374, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 367, superbowl9 wrote:I feel like im in a newbie
why
In post 369, superbowl9 wrote:Watch out for ari this game tho plus don’t just shove that in town
agree, was in another game with him where he was town recently enough and I think his vibe here is different
he feels a bit tepid this game, is the best way to put it
In post 389, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 376, superbowl9 wrote:
In post 374, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 367, superbowl9 wrote:I feel like im in a newbie
why
In post 369, superbowl9 wrote:Watch out for ari this game tho plus don’t just shove that in town
agree, was in another game with him where he was town recently enough and I think his vibe here is different
he feels a bit tepid this game, is the best way to put it
You’ve been acting like bad play isn’t bad this game which is really confusing and pinging me a little? I feel like you should know bad play w/ your flair and join date. Haven’t called it out cause I want you to get to D2 at least this time ToT
My flair? also what "bad play" have you seen thus far?
TEPID: showing little enthusiasm
. I agree, Ari shows even less enthusiasm than chkflip.

Gamma, Superbowl interactions hint distancing. Gamma spews Ari town.

superbowl is ok with Gamma reaching D2, why though?

In post 415, Gamma Emerald wrote:I'm gonna guess it's PJ based on posts regarding him from you? I also don't think Ari's been active enough you'd feel the need to make him feel comfortable.
This was a reply to my post. Wolf Gamma would need to ascertain his position as my town read. Notice PJ didn't because she knew she was town.

In post 426, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 421, DoubtingThomas wrote:gamma what are your thoughts on this. seriously. this guy admits that he hasn't read bulk of my posts while giving an initial scum read on me for not liking my posts. and then now double downs on voting me even though my thought here is very transparent and easily followable for towns. take a stance.
It's dumb but PJ doesn't strike me as the pinnacle of intellectual play. It doesn't seem like what I've seen of him so far either, though.
In post 443, Gamma Emerald wrote:I think DT genuinely believes the point they are making. I’ll pencil them in as town.
I must admit. These two interactions are weird. I don't know if I'm looking at a case of Gamma pocketing DT or Gamma buddying up with DT. My problem is that only two cannibals know each other. Hmm. A new question arises, is a world where Gamma/superbowl is less likely than Gamma/DT?

I need your help town because I can't read DT so he could easily pocket me.


In post 495, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 483, superbowl9 wrote:
In post 481, Tayl0r Swift wrote:
In post 479, DoubtingThomas wrote:it's noted that tayl0r swift is too good for me and won't even read my posts.
im not singling you out. i skimmed the thread but ughhh it was such a slog
Wanna elim in DT/Guillotine with me so we dont have to read this anymore
This is starting to run into trash take territory. Is there a legitimate reason what DT and guillo are doing is scummy? I don’t feel like what they’re doing is exceptionally policy worthy, otherwise.
Thanks for the pocket Gamma but this strikes me as odd. Before I townread you you were ok with lynching me because I didn't understand a joke and now you think it is outrageous to policy kill someone?

In post 496, Gamma Emerald wrote:Also I’m on the fence here but I don’t really rate chk’s meta skill that highly rn
I can see how chkflip is LHF now.

In post 522, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 519, Chaos Triforce wrote:
In post 513, Gamma Emerald wrote:You and I are both the type to be wrong on our most straightforward reads but be more tuned in on our subconscious SRs, I believe.
What’s your read list like rn?
Then I remember that you were the one that called me scum in like ur fifth post in this game. ur scum. there's no changing my mind here.

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I accept I might be wrong, in which case I’d like to know your reads, because if there’s someone bothering you and me simultaneously that might be a good person to home in on.
In post 531, Gamma Emerald wrote:Oh I’ll definitely obvtown. Question is whether you’ll live to see it.
In post 535, Gamma Emerald wrote:Im saying Noraa’s lifespan tends to be shorter than mine in practice
Then I think we should make sure Chaos Triforce lives another day, because you obviously feel threatened by the hydra.


In post 540, Gamma Emerald wrote:You’re legitimately trying to push 2 of my confident TRs for a policy yeet here. I’m not happy about that in the slightest, I know you’re a much better player than that.
Thanks for your confidence buddy! I hope after this you think the same! Much love!

In post 547, Gamma Emerald wrote:What are they doing that is “hurting the game health”? It honestly seems like you just want to get rid of slots you can’t manipulate.
Yah talk to your partner, he is ruining your perfectly formed pockets!

In post 550, Gamma Emerald wrote:Superbowl if I’m overrating your skill off our one game together it’s quite advisable to tell me now jsyk
I think it's ok to ask him privately. No judgement here, ok, that's a lie! Judgement shall be passed!


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Post Post #652 (ISO) » Sat Nov 14, 2020 9:17 am

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In post 650, petapan wrote:
In post 486, DoubtingThomas wrote:The RapMonster profile pic guy. I think the way he approaches the thread lacks scummy agenda. Him trying to 'calm' people down is >rand townie. He's not clogging the thread, but seems like helping town in a way that wolves would not want to do. He's also been the most friendly out of all the people who I do not know (which is everyone but Guillotine and Gamma to a very slight degree), so I am almost forced to town read him and form a town core there.
Do you see friendliness as a town trait?
haha whoops disregard me
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Post Post #653 (ISO) » Sat Nov 14, 2020 9:20 am

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Starting to believe me now gamma? :lol:
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Post Post #654 (ISO) » Sat Nov 14, 2020 9:21 am

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I'm on board for Gamma guillo but where did ari slip into null? And cat into town?
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Post Post #655 (ISO) » Sat Nov 14, 2020 9:28 am

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In post 654, JohnnyFarrar wrote:I'm on board for Gamma guillo but where did ari slip into null? And cat into town?
I'm not sure if I can comment on why cat is town without angleshooting. It is why I believe that slot should have been modkilled. I cannot explain the TR without violating rules.

I placed Ari in town list to wage reactions, but I didn't get any, so... Null, completely null.
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Post Post #656 (ISO) » Sat Nov 14, 2020 9:31 am

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In post 624, DoubtingThomas wrote:
In post 537, superbowl9 wrote:If you really think guillotine and dt leading all our important discussion is not an issue gamma then Ima have to vote you
In post 538, Gamma Emerald wrote:They’re not leading the discussion imo? What makes you say that? And why is that vote worthy/scummy/some combination of the two? And what do you think threatening me accomplishes in getting me to see things your way?
In post 540, Gamma Emerald wrote:You’re legitimately trying to push 2 of my confident TRs for a policy yeet here. I’m not happy about that in the slightest, I know you’re a much better player than that.
In post 547, Gamma Emerald wrote:What are they doing that is “hurting the game health”? It honestly seems like you just want to get rid of slots you can’t manipulate.
I think Gamma has this pretty on point. It's really disgusting for him to 'threaten to vote gamma' while calling for our policy lim? what kind of town does that? "hey if you don't agree to policy limming this slot, then ima vote YOU"
:up: This.
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Post Post #657 (ISO) » Sat Nov 14, 2020 9:31 am

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I replaced Sirius (who did not post anything), not plusjoyed. Also, don't talk about modkills in-thread, if a post is against the rules, report it.

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Post Post #658 (ISO) » Sat Nov 14, 2020 9:34 am

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In post 649, superbowl9 wrote:
In post 641, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 562, superbowl9 wrote:
In post 547, Gamma Emerald wrote:What are they doing that is “hurting the game health”? It honestly seems like you just want to get rid of slots you can’t manipulate.
Dude are you serious? They literally wallpost about ticky-tack technicalities, focused more on proving a point than reaching an objective. They center discussion around themselves because of their (wildly undeserved) unchecked egos. Their play shows no sign of subtlety or care for sensitive information (as you yourself have pointed out) and they are OMGUS prone. It’s just typical newer player stuff. I’m kind of disappointed I have to explain any of this to you - you really think they’re helping you develop reads and that they’re taking effective actions to improve gamestate??? It feels like I’m handholding you through all this as much as I am the new people though, like do I have to explain what makes good town discussions to you? I’m more inclined to believe you’re willing to throw up easy townreads to defend those creating poor gamestate
DT I can’t really vouch for how I think he’ll get better throughout the game, but guillotina at least seems genuinely considerate and thoughtful, even if it comes out a little off. And even if DT is “hurting game health”, I think he’s done stuff that seems a bit wonky to come from scum by pressing PJ like he did. Town!Noraa actually did a similar thing in the Haunted Village game with PJ. I think PJ just naturally has that sort of inability to process his own wrongness of his logic in a meaningful way, and town tend to react by thinking he’s being disingenuous.
I’d honestly probably FoS someone who out-the-gate didn’t think such an action was worth reprimand of some sort.
You can be a nice guy and run a game into the ground at the same time. I don’t always elim the person who I think is most likely to be scum. I elim the person who provides the greatest marginal utility by dying. I believe at this moment that guillotine or DT’s scum chances + the benefit of removing a bunch of distraction posts gives me more of a chance of winning the game than taking a chance on someone like you who I scumlean.

So to say “well yeah but what have they done that’s scummy???” doesn’t really give me pause because it doesnt address why I’m actually pushing this.
There’s a vig in the game. Leave the game health management to him/her/etc. But DT definitely has point that trying to aggress me when I don’t give you what you want is a terrible look.
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Post Post #659 (ISO) » Sat Nov 14, 2020 9:36 am

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And I feel like their posting isn’t as bad as you try to put it. Sure guillo’s 651 looks like a bunch of confbiased overeager theorycrafting garbage, but it also seems like a real take at least.
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Post Post #660 (ISO) » Sat Nov 14, 2020 9:38 am

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Although it seems guillo completely backtracked on the “Gamma is actually town because he chose to agress me” thing. What the heck’s up with that shit?
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Post Post #661 (ISO) » Sat Nov 14, 2020 9:44 am

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In post 644, Gamma Emerald wrote:Like, one of the plays I made in the Haunted Village game was to bluff about not having a solid line of communication with my hydra partner. The only real truth there was the part about us having a temporary falling out that resulted in him quitting the game. It feels like you’re doing something similar by trying to act like you’re playing unilaterally when really you’ve stolen the wheel here.
You're using the fact that I'm in a hydra against me. If none of my partners comment on something, whoever says something about it gets to call it. If they disagree, this'll end up changing. Why are you focusing so much on whether or not all of the heads agree with me on a SR on you rather than focusing on the SR itself? You're literally trying to be like "Noraa your reads are bullshit and it seems like none of your partners agree with it so shut up now"

Trying to make a townie shut up is super scummy. If you were town, you'd talk it out instead of being like "LMAO YALL DONT AGREE WITH EACH OTHER YET SO I CAN JUST DISCREDIT"

I defo think this is scum behavior. Town doesn't focus on whether or not the heads of a hydra agree on a SR on them to discredit the head that is SRing. Town replies to the SR and doesn't think much about the heads.

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In post 651, Guillotina wrote:Town Lean

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Post Post #663 (ISO) » Sat Nov 14, 2020 9:48 am

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In post 659, Gamma Emerald wrote:And I feel like their posting isn’t as bad as you try to put it. Sure guillo’s 651 looks like a bunch of confbiased overeager theorycrafting garbage, but it also seems like a real take at least.
This is EXACTLY what I’m talking about. It’s an overton window shift, we’re now having a discsussion about whether or not what Guillo said is really THAT bad or not. I’m saying can we ditch this and have more productive conversations?
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In post 660, Gamma Emerald wrote:Although it seems guillo completely backtracked on the “Gamma is actually town because he chose to agress me” thing. What the heck’s up with that shit?
Gamma's tone is extremely off this game. He is not thinking from a town perspective this game. It's because him role pm is the color red.

Johnny, back me up. You were in Betrayal mafia. Is the tone off or no? If you say no, I'm gonna start pulling quotes from betrayal.

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Post Post #665 (ISO) » Sat Nov 14, 2020 9:50 am

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I'm tunneled but I believe my tunnel is correct. People, talk to me about gamma. Those catfights from earlier are hard to read into.

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Post Post #666 (ISO) » Sat Nov 14, 2020 9:50 am

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In post 663, superbowl9 wrote:
In post 659, Gamma Emerald wrote:And I feel like their posting isn’t as bad as you try to put it. Sure guillo’s 651 looks like a bunch of confbiased overeager theorycrafting garbage, but it also seems like a real take at least.
This is EXACTLY what I’m talking about. It’s an overton window shift, we’re now having a discsussion about whether or not what Guillo said is really THAT bad or not. I’m saying can we ditch this and have more productive conversations?
What would you define as 'more productive'?
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Post Post #667 (ISO) » Sat Nov 14, 2020 9:50 am

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In post 553, JohnnyFarrar wrote:Gamma reads different in this game than he did in our two previous games together. But also both of those games were WEIRD AS FUCK so not willing to act on that.
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Post Post #668 (ISO) » Sat Nov 14, 2020 9:52 am

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In post 663, superbowl9 wrote:
In post 659, Gamma Emerald wrote:And I feel like their posting isn’t as bad as you try to put it. Sure guillo’s 651 looks like a bunch of confbiased overeager theorycrafting garbage, but it also seems like a real take at least.
This is EXACTLY what I’m talking about. It’s an overton window shift, we’re now having a discsussion about whether or not what Guillo said is really THAT bad or not. I’m saying can we ditch this and have more productive conversations?
Ok sure! Who’s ACTUALLY scum to you rn, and why?
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Post Post #669 (ISO) » Sat Nov 14, 2020 9:53 am

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Also Noraa I suggest you BACK THE FUCK OFF before I uncap a bottle of rage in this thread.
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Post Post #670 (ISO) » Sat Nov 14, 2020 9:54 am

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In post 665, Chaos Triforce wrote:I'm tunneled but I believe my tunnel is correct. People, talk to me about gamma. Those catfights from earlier are hard to read into.

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Fucking eat shit lol
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Post Post #671 (ISO) » Sat Nov 14, 2020 9:56 am

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(I’m legitimately not in a remotely good state mentally so don’t take anything I say too personally)
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Post Post #672 (ISO) » Sat Nov 14, 2020 9:57 am

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(Though if Noraa is a good little scholar she should be well aware of the details there)
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Post Post #673 (ISO) » Sat Nov 14, 2020 9:58 am

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noraa. convince me why gamma is scum or let her live d1. she's not posting poorly unlike some of her mates in this game
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Post Post #674 (ISO) » Sat Nov 14, 2020 9:59 am

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Gamma isn't the droid we're looking for imo.
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