Newbie 1915: Africa [Game Over!]

[northsidegal]

VC 1.17

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[4] skitter30

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MaryJoLisa2 289, cbynumber 345, Elements 518, NotMySpamAccount 661

[2] Salami

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u r a person 2 607, TTTT 660

[1] MaryJoLisa2

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skitter30 411

[1] TTTT

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Salami 317

[1] Not Voting

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BBmolla 599

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch

The Day 1 deadline is in

: (expired on 2019-02-11 15:56:59)

Mod Notes

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If I've made a mistake anywhere, please let me know.

[Elements]

@mod i think TTTT changed their vote to salami?


fixed, thanks.

-nsg

[Elements]

@MJL do you see why long day phases is good for town yet?

[u r a person 2]

how're you feeling about the wagon you're on, elements?

[u r a person 2]

personally, I don't think skitter is being bussed rn
so im not sure who her partner is besides maybe tttt, who i town read

[MaryJoLisa]

@MJL do you see why long day phases is good for town yet?

No, sorry. I see clearly that we're getting more information, but whether it's good information or not remains to be seen. We need some evidence to get things moving along.

[u r a person 2]

bbmolla potential partner but seems low chance

[u r a person 2]

hey skitter silly question - are you an alt of TW?

[cbynumber]

so do a bunch of other teams tho.

Salami, BB, NMSA are my preferred lynches in order for today. These don't line up exactly with my reads because the length of time these two wagons have existed without change + my paranoia of nmsa and cb make me want to hold off on skitter right now

VOTE: salami
i can't believe this doesn't have more interest.
Can my town reads please go back and read salami's iso? or my posts on his slot?

I don't get why you think BB is scum

-PoE
-Shows little concern over his scum solve becoming the two top wagons

without being the cause of that change himself

. It's one thing if a strong presence slot pushes the gamestate to where he wants it, but if you know that you're not doing anything to further that agenda, and that agenda is occurring anyway - in this case to not one but both of your scum reads - doesn't that make you paranoid?

And that bit about "Sounds like you already know I'm going to flip town." is not outside of anyone's scum range??

What about this slot am I supposed to see as town?

Bolded: I wouldn't say that is entirely accurate. His observations (concise as they are): 160 & 161 resulted in the pressure being shifted onto MaryJo and accelerated discussion.
Also, I've felt that I've had a similar train of thought as him wrt to the initial Salami wagon and scumMaryJo (obviously we differ on that now). As in: I didn't need an explanation from him as to why the salami wagon was bad + maryjo scummy if that makes sense. So I guess it's a longwinded way of saying general agreement with his observations + gut.
Obviously I'm re-evaluating as the day progresses but I haven't found that I've shifted at all in my view on him as he has continued to post (including his responses to element's wtf vote on him).
In any case, he's not someone I want to lynch at all today.

[cbynumber]

personally, I don't think skitter is being bussed rn
so im not sure who her partner is besides maybe tttt, who i town read

fwiw, I'm townreading tttt for pretty much the same reason I'm townreading bbmolla. Compare their iso's.

[cbynumber]

Spoilering NMSA's post

Spoiler:

So I finally found some time to play, welcome urap2, finally the slot has posted. Aspersions are still being cast on me due to my inactivity. Again, I apologize. This will hopefully make up for it. Lots of stuff going on in the thread now, my thoughts below as I catch up. Textwall incoming.

Outside of TTTT then skitter30 is probably the best lynch, she looked scummy about her implying she would join the BBmolla wagon. I'd also be fine with a Spam lynch because he is generally anti-town. I'm almost willing to lynch the lurker slot but that would be dumb before it gets replaced.

Anti-town how? Inactivity? I've been busy irl, and I'm still learning the game.

Also NMSA vanishing is only solidifying my read on him.

Again, irl stuff. I'm not going to be posting as much as I did earlier until at least the weekend. It's tough to keep track of everything when I can only get on for ~5 minutes in my downtime.

I understand but what do you think of the game so far? Do you still want to lynch MJL or what?

Yeah, I'm still fine with this, as you can tell by the fact that my vote is still there. Posts like 508, 510 have no content whatsoever.

I'm just trying to learn the game and be friendly. I wanted to post something friendly before I really dug into the meat of the game, and I thought it would be ok to say that since I'm with the good guys. Like I said, I have no idea what I'm doing, just trying to be nice and have fun.

My man! Keep this attitude up. Mafia needs more players working to keep games friendly and fun.

Yay thanks, trying to keep up my activity too, but life is getting in the way somewhat.

nope, it dropped off significantly since then
he's claiming being busy irl but he hasn't said anything of substance ... in like days iirc; i've basically lost the townread i had on him early game

Interesting

"(it's ok to say that, right?)" is my favorite part

I see what you're saying. I kind of believe he's new to mafia. But if he's asking this question that means he had to consider that it wasn't okay to say that. So why did he say it?

Does newb!scum come out the gates with a hard dumbtell like this? Does he assume it will get him universally townread, or does he think the scum reads will be worth getting town reads from the people that do believe it?

It's certainly audacious but not impossible coming from newb scum. I think it's fair to say that most newb scum don't try this gambit.

and then there is the possibility that he's newb scum posting genuinely in the sense that he doesn't know that you're not supposed to claim like that, but newb scum is probably more likely to read the thread before posting, I guess. so probably not that.

This was my first ever post in a mafia game, if you read my next few, you'll see that I didn't even read the thread before it. I found out my mistake afterwards when I read the ic post.

kinda liking urap's posting thus far tbh

Same here, this is what I want to learn to do, post analysis and scumhunting, wish I was good at it.

To respond to these, I don't know usernames as I said before, but I'll check when I get a chance. I haven't played mafia before, but I read a load of wiki stuff since my initial posts, so I know what's going on a little better now.

second time putting off revealing your friends. I'm hesitant to push this because reasons but I'm low key wondering if these friends exist or if they were just fluff for a post. a good tip for town - keep the promises you make

like, I'm not doubting that you have friends btw <3

Crap, forgot again. When they text back, I'll let y'all know.

and skitter is a more experienced player who would definitely be better for town to have around

wow i didn't mean for this to come off so harsh. sorry mate, hope this doesn't stop us from becoming friends <3

It's fine, we can still be friends, skitter would definitely be more valuable to us if town.

I really just wanna hear more from NotMy

Is this good?

After reading through all of that, Here are my reads:

Elements: I can't tell from my gut, but maybe town?
Salami: After urap's stuff, I'm tending scum here.
cbynumber: Textwalls, scumhunting, probly town.
u r a person 2: Town as crap. Loads of scumhunting, loving it.
MaryJoLisa: Probably scum. Not enough content, just trying to defend herself.
BBmolla: Confusing. I kinda see the arguments coming out, but slowly. Gut leaning scum, but not much
TTTT: Lots of short posts, not a lot being said other than quick responses to questions. He's asking questions though, so null/town I guess.
skitter30: Textwalls galore, not sure if that's ai, but pretty much null. I just can't get any sort of gut read here at this point.

Would not lynch: urap, cby, myself
Would lynch: MJL, Salami, skitter
Not sure: elements, TTTT, BBmolla

VOTE: skitter30 because we're getting kinda close to the deadline and we need a lynch. I'm fine with this one, and most other people seem to be too.

@NMSA
Follow up questions:
Why is MaryJo's lack of content in 508 and 510 scummy when compared to yours in 281 & 339?
Could you elaborate on your elements & TTTT reads? As in, could you find some posts from them you think are town and some others that you think arn't and give some reasons? (doesn't have to be a wallpost just your thoughts/interpretations)
Why are your reads on MaryJo and skitter different when they're pretty much doing the same thing at the moment? (trying to convince each other, when they think the other is scum, that they themselves are not scum, rather than trying to convince the rest of us)

[u r a person 2]

If you're town reading bbmolla and TTTT, and you believe skitter is scum, then you might as well be saying that I'm skitter's partner. And if you're not saying that, you should be.

But I'm not scum, so I think you've got an issue somewhere in your reads

And I'm really thinking the problem is town!skitter.

[u r a person 2]

who is the bus?

if there is no bus, who is the scum that's letting skitter get lynched without a fight?

[u r a person 2]

skitter scum does not make sense with this vote count

[u r a person 2]

this vote count feels like a town wagon on town that scum is watching

[cbynumber]

I don't think you're scum.
I guess my question to you is, if you believe skitter to be town, why are you reading tttt as town as opposed to bbmolla?

[cbynumber]

I do find it unlikely that NMSA would vote skitter instead of salami if they were both scum.

[u r a person 2]

i have a game with tttt under his name loopdan, and I'm getting a similar vibe.
i also really town read the entire first salami vote, reason tease, and final reveal of slight town that immediately reverted back to a scum read.

he didn't annotate the progression back to scum, and it's super organic

[u r a person 2]

i've also played with elements, and he's unlikely to bus here i think

and MJ is possssible but more times than not she gets off this wagon if it's a bus i gotta believe. so if skitter is being bussed, gotta be you.

but with a push like you made on her and are still making? seems unlikely too

[cbynumber]

Then that leaves salami. Why would he choose to push TTTT as scum?

[cbynumber]

Elements bussing doesn't make sense. He was the initial vote on skitter after (i think?) the salami wagon died down

[u r a person 2]

and bbmolla is probably confident enough to make a play solo, but i'd be surprised if an experienced player stays this hands off on a lynch of their partner

less so for tttt since he's on the salami wagon

salami possible partner actually

[u r a person 2]

Then that leaves salami. Why would he choose to push TTTT as scum?

he brought up as part of his push that he was the only one suspecting tttt

vanity wagon and meh reasons hoping to be ignored
?

[u r a person 2]

Yeah, on second thought, let's hold off on l1 under tall1s' replacement starts posting.

@MJL even more reason not to lynch early. If we lynch someone now we learn nothing about tall1s' slot. We effectively go into day two with the addition of a new player.

Yeah, you're right UNVOTE: Elements

hold up
You were the only vote on elements
So why unvote? He was at no risk of being lynched
This is super lamist

@cb did you see this? how is this town? He was the ONLY vote on elements

[cbynumber]

That, or you+Scumskitter: only reason for a scum player to post as much as you have when replacing in a completely fresh spot in a game with 20 pages already would be to save your buddy.
I'm not feeling that at all