Mini 1090: Of Rogues and Curses ~ Game Over

[Vi]

*xvart bait goes here*

[inHimshallibe]

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vote: mothrax

I'm content to believe Troll for now.

[xvart]

Sorry about the delays everyone. We don't have wireless except in the lobby and my father's computer is the only one that connects through a copmuter in his office or something so we are sharing one computer until we get an Ethernet cord. I expect to be back with more content later tonight.

A curiously specific flavor reference in an otherwise useless post that happens to mention the buzzword "unique".

You tell me if that's a breadcrumb. If it's not, then I stopped going after xvart for the wrong reasons Yesterday.

Oh I get it now. You saw the crumb and then with my recent comment about unique being maybe two people with the same role name comment thought it wasn't a crumb? Actually, both are true I just never asked what unique specified. So are we going through with the full massclaim or what? Should I claim in my next post?

unvote
vote: mothrax

I'm content to believe Troll for now.

What about your other thoughts and comments? You know, the ones you keep saying you are collecting?

[inHimshallibe]

Oops, right. Sorry about that.

[Uite]

Just realized, @Uite: You realize that Exe flipped scum, right?

Yeah, why do you ask?

@Zorblag:

Why did you choose nocase for your potion?

@inHim:

So would you mind actually sharing instead of just apologising?

The Tanstalas/Xvart scuffle is interesting, I'm fairly certain they're not both scum.

As for claims, inHim's ability seems decidedly pro-town, but the others' seem more neutral, in that they could go either way. Vi's claim actually made me somewhat suspicious by how he's claiming it makes him town. We'll see what happens at night though, because as far as I can tell, there's no actual protective role.

@Vi:

Awesome new avatar by the way.

[Vi]

So are we going through with the full massclaim or what? Should I claim in my next post?

Unless you have a reason not to. Between the number of people claimed and PoE I don't see a huge drawback to it, provided we stop trying to lynch someone who legitimized NOT lynching a scummy claimed Vanilla D1 and someone who has been called extremely Town when he's not saying stupid things. (Needlessly to say I do NOT approve of mothrax's suspect list.)

Vi's claim actually made me somewhat suspicious by how he's claiming it makes him town.

I did? *checks* Well that's what's implied anyway.
I'm not sure what in inHim's claim makes you think he's Town though.

Right now I'm actually more interested in Troll's second beer, though. The N1 kill flavor didn't involve cursing, but lycanthropy certainly DOES.

@Vi: Awesome new avatar by the way.

Arcanus: His true identity is so obvious he only needs to wear half a mask.

All we need now is someone to be a Happy Mask Salesman and we can have a subgroup going

[Uite]

I'm not sure what in inHim's claim makes you think he's Town though.

I'm not saying he's outright town, but his ability certainly is protown, since it lets dead townies, who are of confirmed alignment influence the game. Like we know VPB is good for sure, so having him around again is bound to help us more than scum.

[Vi]

I'm not sure what in inHim's claim makes you think he's Town though.

I'm not saying he's outright town, but his ability certainly is protown, since it lets dead townies, who are of confirmed alignment influence the game. Like we know VPB is good for sure, so having him around again is bound to help us more than scum.

I think I can agree with that. If it gave the wielder some kind of power, that would be different, but all it does is pass the microphone to a dead player. I don't see a use for it scum-side.

[inHimshallibe]

Bah, something at the back of my mind keeps telling me Troll definitely has the role, though the alignment is a bit spotty. I also think nocase made a poor decision by killing Mariyta and not mothrax.

Also, should I call forth VP Baltar now? Personally, I think if we're going to massclaim we should do that before giving the dead a voice.

Also, Mariyta will be able to help VP with the post. He can verify that when he comes here to post.

[inHimshallibe]

tans is deftown, btw. I would agree that gandalf's defense of Mariyta's claim Yesterday is a town-only maneuver.

Vi

could

be talking out of his ass with his claim,

especially in Tinfoil Hat Land where he is scum with Troll

. But, of course, he claims he will die Tonight, so we should be able to confirm that. What makes me nervous about the Troll claim is that his curse removal is a cover-up for Vi's claim and why Vi wouldn't die.

[Vi]

Bah, something at the back of my mind keeps telling me Troll definitely has the role, though the alignment is a bit spotty.

Troll almost certainly has the role. Alignment is still in question. He could help it NOT be in question by posting but etc.

I also think nocase made a poor decision by killing Mariyta and not mothrax.

Basically. I'm actually a bit concerned about nocase's alignment post-lycanthropy, which is why I'm curious about Troll's second claimed beer.

Also, should I call forth VP Baltar now? Personally, I think if we're going to massclaim we should do that before giving the dead a voice.

Also, Mariyta will be able to help VP with the post. He can verify that when he comes here to post.

We're almost done massclaiming

If the dead can communicate with each other before posting, then it seems like the intended use for the role is to allow dead people to share their Night actions and more-than-just-superficial-flavor of what their role did. That's strange because nobody has claimed anything that would be useful to get out save Troll and his beer...

I'm actually leaning toward no. We don't have a guarantee that the dead know anything they didn't when they were alive, and they were both VTs. If it's a one-shot ability, it seems like a waste to use it now.

What makes me nervous about the Troll claim is that his curse removal is a cover-up for Vi's claim and why Vi wouldn't die.

Notice that I'm actually arguing

against

using it on me, saying there's no point. That claim's going to have to go somewhere.

And even if I don't die Tonight for whatever reason,

my

claim has to go somewhere. If someone dies other than who I say will die, that's when we start having issues.

I just realized that my awesome role makes me an awesome auto-lynch at LyLo. :/ I don't plan on letting this game get that far.

On the other hand, consider that I've been very upfront about having a role throughout the game and readily claimed it as something of payment for you claiming yours. Most people don't do that with potentially-scummy claims, especially the kind that (as scum) would lock me into confirming an innocent each Day or risk the penalty for lying.

[inHimshallibe]

Yes, I understand most of your motivation.


You make a good point re: Werebeer. Troll, is nocase going to be a wolf forever?

[Uite]

@inHim:

I'm still somewhat confused about your role. Is it actually a daily or a one-shot ability? Do you pick among the dead players to summon or is that detemined by Ythill? Can you summon the same player over multiple days?

[Vi]

Werebeer

I love this concept when you say it like this. It's so...

exploitable

. *runs to setup design table*

[inHimshallibe]

Werebeer

I love this concept when you say it like this. It's so...

exploitable

. *runs to setup design table*

I was hoping something like that would happen.

@Uite: It's a one-shot, one post deal, and nothing more. So is the vote control (though that persists through the whole Day). I get to pick who posts, but all the Ungrika ghosts can speak with the person I choose and help formulate the post.

[inHimshallibe]

Also, @Vi: shoot me a PM if you're serious on that setup idea. I'd love to tag along for the creative process.

[Ythill]

• Vote Count
  
  2 ~ xvart (Vi, nocase)
  2 ~ tanstalas (gandalf5166, xvart)
  2 ~ mothrax (tanstalas, inHimshallibe)
  1 ~ inHimshallibe (Zorblag)
  1 ~ gandalf5166 (Uite)
  
  Not voting: mothrax

• Notes
  
  
• With nine alive, it takes five to lynch.
  
• Deadline is Saturday, January 8th, 22:00 PST (GMT-8).
  
• Overall prods: Zorblag (1).
  
• Nocase will be V/LA until December 30th.

[tanstalas]

Werebeer

I love this concept when you say it like this. It's so...

exploitable

. *runs to setup design table*

I was hoping something like that would happen.

@Uite: It's a one-shot, one post deal, and nothing more. So is the vote control (though that persists through the whole Day). I get to pick who posts, but all the Ungrika ghosts can speak with the person I choose and help formulate the post.

I personally would like you to save this ability for tomorrow then, if Vi does die tonight and flips town I think it would be more beneficial to have input from three other townies.

[nocase]

(from the land of v/la.)

i just realized i need to meta mothrax to see if he's always this incompetent. getting content from him is like pulling woolly mammoth teeth.

xvart needs to die and/or be slapped in the face.

[nocase]

mothrax: i want reasons for every single read you stated on page 29.

[Uite]

Werebeer

I love this concept when you say it like this. It's so...

exploitable

. *runs to setup design table*

I was hoping something like that would happen.

@Uite: It's a one-shot, one post deal, and nothing more. So is the vote control (though that persists through the whole Day). I get to pick who posts, but all the Ungrika ghosts can speak with the person I choose and help formulate the post.

I personally would like you to save this ability for tomorrow then, if Vi does die tonight and flips town I think it would be more beneficial to have input from three other townies.

This seems like a decent plan. The only catch is if inHim dies during the next migration, but that would bring its own share of problems.

[xvart]

I'm not sure what in inHim's claim makes you think he's Town though.

I'm not saying he's outright town, but his ability certainly is protown, since it lets dead townies, who are of confirmed alignment influence the game. Like we know VPB is good for sure, so having him around again is bound to help us more than scum.

inHim - was VP specified as the person from the beginning of the game in your role pm or was it the first person to die? The first town to die?

I am a charlatan, which is sort of a hider/thief hybrid variant. I can choose to visit someone for the duration of the night and possibly find clues/steal something. I cannot use this ability two nights in a row. I used my ability last night on Mariyta and did not steal anything or find any clues.

[Vi]

...Why would you use a Hider-style ability on someone you (I guess) thought was Mafia?
And why would you use a Thief-style ability on someone who claimed vanilla?

[nocase]

I am a charlatan, which is sort of a hider/thief hybrid variant. I can choose to visit someone for the duration of the night and possibly find clues/steal something. I cannot use this ability two nights in a row. I used my ability last night on Mariyta and did not steal anything or find any clues.

SO WHO'S UP FOR A LYNCHING?

[tanstalas]

...Why would you use a Hider-style ability on someone you (I guess) thought was Mafia?
And why would you use a Thief-style ability on someone who claimed vanilla?

That ^^

Why would you not have investigated Vi? You seem to have been putting a lot on him, even starting today you went straight for Vi's throat.

I really should have seen that flip coming.

Especially since you probably knew his alignment already. Seriously, your unvote of Exe was pretty terrible considering you still mockingly called him scum in the same post.

...etc

In addition to Vi's questions I find it interesting that while the talk about massclaiming was being bantered about you kept very quiet, after Mariyta was killed you decided you would tell us you investigated the 'dead person' who claimed VT, this isn't adding up

NINJA'd!

SO WHO'S UP FOR A LYNCHING?

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Vote: Xvart