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Post Post #75 (ISO) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 6:45 am

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In post 22, Looker wrote:VOTE: ProHawk
In post 2, Datisi wrote:~ normal votes will be tracked during the coalition phase, despite it being impossible to achieve a yeet.
~ however, if a failed coalition is locked in, and there is currently a majority vote on someone, that player will be yeeted immediately.
We'll be fine. Just unvote before coalition deadline or...actually form a coalition by deadline.
I think I know what you're doing here...

But in lieu of making an ass out of you and me, I'll just ask.

List the reasons here please?
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Post Post #76 (ISO) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 6:48 am

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In post 59, MBot wrote:Hey Andante and Prohawk wanna coalition together? The very definition of the word - a temporary alliance of sorts, since it's obviously everyone randomly joining up based on random nothings. That's actually kind of concerning since there is zero actual conversations to have even gut reads. We still have 13 days left. Even those I know, I'm squinty eyed at until given a reason not to be. Would be kool to finally have a win, just saiyan.
Why? I have a feeling you were posting in jest reading the rest of the post?
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Post Post #77 (ISO) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 6:50 am

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In post 66, Looker wrote:I'm noticing ProHawk and Umlaut aren't in any coalitions.
What does that say for you exactly?
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Post Post #78 (ISO) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 6:52 am

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In post 69, Looker wrote:I don't think we're going to get that 5. It's so easy to slip quiet scum into coalitions. Dannflor ran a Purgatory game like this a while back - it was very difficult.

edit: I wish more people would vote
You don't think we are going to get a consensus on the coalition, or you don't think we will get an all town coalition?
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Post Post #79 (ISO) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 6:54 am

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I have a very hard time town-hunting, mostly because of trust issues. I'll work on forming a coalition, but it's going to take time.
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Post Post #80 (ISO) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 8:22 am

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In post 59, MBot wrote:Been busy but not a lot of conversation to catch up on yet. Prod dodge mostly but I can take the heat. Hey Andante and Prohawk wanna coalition together? The very definition of the word - a temporary alliance of sorts, since it's obviously everyone randomly joining up based on random nothings. That's actually kind of concerning since there is zero actual conversations to have even gut reads. We still have 13 days left. Even those I know, I'm squinty eyed at until given a reason not to be. Would be kool to finally have a win, just saiyan.
ahhh this is so scum
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Post Post #81 (ISO) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 8:23 am

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just pocketing andante and prohawk
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Post Post #82 (ISO) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 8:29 am

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prodding Umlaut.
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Post Post #83 (ISO) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 11:06 am

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nah mbot reads like one of those d1 miselims where, someone drops a bunch of nominal scumtells but it turns out mafia doesnt quite work that way. like, strong guttown read on her.

overall i find the observation that prohawk/umlaut are not in coalitions pretty funny — yes, theyre not, because they don't post (okay, prohawk since has). idk how often scum random heal buddies; if that's usually what happens, then it implies that prohawk/umlaut (in acquiring no such heals) are town, but that's a big "if" and i dont trust it. i think the "people need posts to townread you" explanation is better.
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Post Post #84 (ISO) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 11:18 am

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:D ProHawk is here!
  • I just wanted you to talk to me VOTE: Umlaut
  • You not being in a coalition was a mental note I wanted to take for future record. I would assume at least minimal interaction between scum partners, but that could be wrong - tracking patterns and inconsistencies is the priority.
  • I don't think we're going to get a coalition of 5 town because I usually draw associatives by who's willing to elim who - scum could be aiming for a...[pause: I just realized I may be playing this the wrong way] There's literally no long game if they don't get someone in the coalition (or stall the coalition past deadline).
I don't trust MBot and mc esther. And why are there not more RVS coalitions? Lol, this is going to devolve into a popularity contests and I'm here for it. Enchant for Prom...Monarch.
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Post Post #85 (ISO) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 11:24 am

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HURT: Looker, Andante
HEAL: Enchant, ProHawk
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Post Post #86 (ISO) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 12:08 pm

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In post 84, Looker wrote:I don't think we're going to get a coalition of 5 town because I usually draw associatives by who's willing to elim who - scum could be aiming for a...[pause: I just realized I may be playing this the wrong way] There's literally no long game if they don't get someone in the coalition (or stall the coalition past deadline).
I have never played a game of this design, or any similar so I can only go off of what I *think* scum would ideally do in this scenario, and I am heavily leaning towards them being more apt to coalition one of their own more so than try to distance them D1 because well if they don't get themselves or a partner in then they auto-lose. Ideal would likely be both in I think, but again haven't really run all of the scenarios properly yet at this time.

But yes, odds of a complete town block I think are fairly low.
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Post Post #87 (ISO) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 12:09 pm

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Gut here:

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Post Post #88 (ISO) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 1:13 pm

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HURT: andante
HEAL: looker

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Post Post #89 (ISO) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 1:32 pm

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mbot, youve played a few games off-site, have you ever been mafia in any of them?
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Post Post #90 (ISO) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 1:43 pm

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i disagree with nearly everything esther is saying, but she seems to be genuinely trying to scumhunt
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Post Post #91 (ISO) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 1:46 pm

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In post 86, ProHawk wrote:
In post 84, Looker wrote:I don't think we're going to get a coalition of 5 town because I usually draw associatives by who's willing to elim who - scum could be aiming for a...[pause: I just realized I may be playing this the wrong way] There's literally no long game if they don't get someone in the coalition (or stall the coalition past deadline).
I have never played a game of this design, or any similar so I can only go off of what I *think* scum would ideally do in this scenario, and I am heavily leaning towards them being more apt to coalition one of their own more so than try to distance them D1 because well if they don't get themselves or a partner in then they auto-lose. Ideal would likely be both in I think, but again haven't really run all of the scenarios properly yet at this time.

But yes, odds of a complete town block I think are fairly low.
I've seen games with this setup 3 times, each time town has won on day 1 and scum has completely collapsed.
I suppose this setup somehow makes town bloc very hard? Which I guess makes sense.
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Post Post #92 (ISO) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 1:53 pm

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Enchant & T3, can you link the coalition games where town won D1? Or just give me their names so I can search for them? This may be easier than I thought.
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Post Post #93 (ISO) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 2:11 pm

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i happen to have games open in tabs from tallying up early-game scumbuddy heals (yeah, does not happen often enough to say anything about prohawk/umlaut's alignment); theyre just from the wiki though, which apparently doesnt include t3's and enchant's games.

town coalitions formed in micro 829, micro 833, and micro 873; that's 3 of the 7 games the wiki links
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Post Post #94 (ISO) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 2:33 pm

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In post 91, T3 wrote:
In post 86, ProHawk wrote:
In post 84, Looker wrote:I don't think we're going to get a coalition of 5 town because I usually draw associatives by who's willing to elim who - scum could be aiming for a...[pause: I just realized I may be playing this the wrong way] There's literally no long game if they don't get someone in the coalition (or stall the coalition past deadline).
I have never played a game of this design, or any similar so I can only go off of what I *think* scum would ideally do in this scenario, and I am heavily leaning towards them being more apt to coalition one of their own more so than try to distance them D1 because well if they don't get themselves or a partner in then they auto-lose. Ideal would likely be both in I think, but again haven't really run all of the scenarios properly yet at this time.

But yes, odds of a complete town block I think are fairly low.
I've seen games with this setup 3 times, each time town has won on day 1 and scum has completely collapsed.
I suppose this setup somehow makes town bloc very hard? Which I guess makes sense.
Maybe I should go read them??

Did scum just sit around on their asses??
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Post Post #95 (ISO) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 3:15 pm

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It's one i played.
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Post Post #96 (ISO) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 4:09 pm

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I was Hakai in that game.
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Post Post #97 (ISO) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 4:45 pm

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Oh.

Then not surprised about outcome.
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Post Post #98 (ISO) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 4:55 pm

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same here
but i was trying out a vastly different playstyle
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Post Post #99 (ISO) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 5:52 pm

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Got prodded, honestly keep forgetting I joined a game, reading now
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