Civilization Mafia [GAME OVER]

[MathBlade]

Unless you destroy my argument of why someone is confTown you can say post ABCD is scummy as fuck and I don't care. ConfTown is confTown unless that argument is destroyed.

You literally have made no argument whatsoever. Your argument for Drixx is equally ridiculous. You are currently scum MVP.

Drixx would not replace out like that as scum period.

[MathBlade]

Everything he has said makes sense. What doesn't do you?

Pedit:

I am Town by rolePM
Creature is town by Dave and Maxous.
RC is town because Drixx.

This means either Gorkington or nancy are the only potential scum that could hammer.

So that means (assuming PV town although I disagree) there would be 2-3 scum on that wagon.
The only potential scum on that wagon make Leonshade impossible to be scum.

This is a complete misapplication of VCA.

Bus = voting to attempt to get scum lynched with a majority of scum on the wagon.
At most two scum are off the wagon.

Therefore Leonshade = bus.
You said scum wouldn't bus.

Therefore nancy you are backpedlaing to try to lynch Leonshade.

I am not voting Leon.

[MathBlade]

Math, this is part of why town in PyP lost. I was scum there and we had let you do what you want and it caused you to take two town and yourself down. I'm town here and trying to work with you because I care about the people who want to win this game.

Town in PYP lost because they mass claimed on like D2 or some ridiculous bullshit.

It was lost before I replaced in and the obvTown decided to lynch anyone that didn't agree with them. They were a town block which I fucking hate. I messed up that game didn't do VCA and was complete and utter RL nightmare.

[MathBlade]

I know that replace out doesn't make sense at all but it is just explaining Nero's theory.

When the explanation doesn't make sense it isn't an explanation.

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Like Notice I am actually willing at this point to just put you as Town because if the scumteam is SOMEHOW you MathBlade and whatever then we're fucked anyway and we're basically fucked as it is so banking on this is probably our best shot at winning.

Gorkington is Town because it makes no fucking sense for scum to come in today and suddenly bus one of their own after the kill getting docced or to let a lynch go through on him when they already have a vice grip on this game. Like basically as soon as we get one scumflip in this game the dominoes just fall.

Here you go nancy.

You said scum weren't bussing yesterday.

So either you are wrong and Gorkington can be scum or you are wrong now.

[MathBlade]

Sometimes things don't have to make sense. What I proposed is a very likely reason for someone to sub out. Might not be for Drixx but again, meta is not reliable.

Meta is not reliable unless a strong indicator exists in which that is a personality tell.

In other words used so damn sparingly like a cop check.

That level of emotion is rare so it is readable.

MariaR has a Town tell. DGB has a scum one. MoI I think may have a scum one all in their openings.

[MathBlade]

so the entire scum team has to be in Nero, Gorkington, LUV, Vecna, CK, and nancy

This is pretty close to where my PoE is. I would take out nancy and maybe substitute Caesar.

Calling either Vecna or LUV scum doesn't feel right, but my other TRs are even stronger at this point. Caesar's Forbidden Palace build claim and fail seems like a bad scum gambit, but if scum wanted to swipe the wonder away from town, having Caesar claim that would've been a good way to dissuade town from trying to build the Wonder.

Gork I feel fine calling scum, largely due to Gin's play. Gork's townier posts are still fakeable, unlike the play of many of my other townreads.

No it wouldn't.

Caesar claiming it per everyone else wouldn't stop someone else since they would also get it and confTown themselves.

This logic is bad. Since everyone townreads PV see PV. Doesn't mean shit.

[MathBlade]

beeboy

(11): Cloudkicker, PeregrineV, Nancy, Gork,

Albert B. Rampage

,

Fro99er

, Creature, Akane and Nebby, Leonshade, Drixx,

Kid

ok Math. Could you walk me through this?

Like its prob safe to assume that PV and Creature are town so let me color them.

beeboy

(11): Cloudkicker,

PeregrineV

, Nancy, Gork,

Albert B. Rampage

,

Fro99er

,

Creature

, Akane and Nebby, Leonshade, RC,

kid

You think scum are cloudkicker and Nancy right? Glork? Why exactly are you saying that Ali, Leon and RC cannot be scum on this wagon?

Because that scum team would have hammered Yuri earlier. Town was begging for a Beeboy lynch. Having all the scum on the end doesn't match the narrative. An all town wagon on Beeboy without a scumclaim? That doesn't happen on d1.

[MathBlade]

Since everyone townreads PV see PV. Doesn't mean shit.

So PV was the town vig kill, well why hasn't the town vig claimed?

This was asked and answered.

Scum shot their own.
Town vig if existing would have shot me.

[MathBlade]

Maybe that's what they want you to think? That it's so unlikely and that it doesn't fit the narrative

No. All scum without daychat cannot make this work.

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If that was d2 or d3 maybe with daychat but a tailend hammer doesn't happen like that.

One or both of CK/nancy have to be scum.

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Because that scum team would have hammered Yuri earlier.

Yuri (9): Lil Uzi Vert, Alisae, Vecna, Nancy, beeboy, Fro99er, Math, Nero Cain, Leonshade

ummm....all of Nancy, Leon, Ali already were on the Yuri wagon.

Having all the scum on the end doesn't match the narrative.

Which is?

An all town wagon on Beeboy without a scumclaim? That doesn't happen on d1.

I agree...I'm also not suggesting that.

Ignoring the top because that VC is out of context and phone posting.

And yes you are.

Those three votes came on very quickly from the end.
So in essence all town wagon.

[MathBlade]

Math if you're scum here, you deserve a scummie.

I am Town but what I deserve a scummie for I am ineligible for.

[MathBlade]

SSBM? That's a new one.
I know Maxous suggested it awhile back.
-Nebby
Also
VOTE: Beeboy

Literally the vote that requires all scum on the end. Just not a thing Nero.

[MathBlade]

We need a game breaking parity result here.

Quit complaining you have to bus already.

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Ignoring the top because that VC is out of context and phone posting.

how? You suggested that a Nancy, Ali, Leon scum team would have hammered a Yuri wagon but when I point out that they were already on a wagon you dismiss it.

Lol 4-5 scum exist. Not three that VCA is just horrible.

What you are proposing just does not happen D1. Literally everyone was piling onto beeboy.

Unless there is a scum in the front half I do not buy the team.

[MathBlade]

Math, you and Ceasar are the only ones scum reading me which should tell you something. That something is that you're very very wrong on my slot. I'm town, so rethink your town reads. Who's your weakest town read?

Why do you think those are the only two people scumreading you? Especially considering Math is probably town, why would scum avoid having you in their scumpool? Do you think you're obvtown this game?

Scum don't need to have me in their pool because they're trying to end game me. I'm not being heard and I've been wrong about every lynch besides Bee.

Scum don't have you in their pool because they don't want to bus.
I have provided a town game where you are different. I have had you and Vecna nailed since the start.

Titus was wrong on Vecna building Pyramids and Vecna said to listen to Titus. It was only after the scumclaim but did scum panic and kill PV.

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Like the only reason I am considering a TownPV world is because all my townreads say he is Town but if he is hat was completely destructive and insane and so out of character for PV we will have words post game.

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Lol that actually A) isn't they are mixed in all around unless quick hammer happens then they are usually earlier in the wagon the earlier in the game.

And an all town wagon like that with that many Town in a row is just horrible. You can propose it but I reserve the right to point out the obvious bullshit.

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Math, why do you think that Drixx's replace out is town, but Spiffeh's isn't? Why did Spiffeh replace out if scum?

I don't know Spiffeh well enough to make that judgment call with 100% definitive he replaced out like that as scum. So in that case it is NAI but I do know Drixx enough to make a call on it.

[MathBlade]

If we take for granted that scum have the Encryptor, Vigilante and IC wonders, that means that at least three scum players will have to claim either VT, or fakeclaim a Wonder (and risk a CC). Take that into account in your scumteam theories.

Encyptor yes.
IC no that could be roleblocked
And vig could be doctored or roleblocked or no one attempted to take it.

Creature after everyone mass claims list out your RB targets.

And when you mass claim you should say which wonders you tried to take which night.

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If anything Maxous doc would probably doc Creature the obv Town Pr role and that scum nancy was the vig. And since three conf towns they tried to off two and failed. That makes more sense than Maxous doccing Creature and makes sense with daychat.

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Doccing Pine*

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When I look at the claims, the only one that feels believable is Dave's. Alisae's is too, but the way they've claimed to use the Wonder gives me some doubt.

It is not only believable Alisae's claim has been confirmed by me already.

[MathBlade]

It is dumb shit like this that makes you scum.

You can't on one hand say Maybe Alisae got the wonder then on the other hand says maybe he and Math are lying. Alisae is Halicarnassus.

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Math's claim doesn't make any sense but it was from when they were in the hydra with Titus...

Titus pretty much threw a bitch fit and claimed after I told her it was a bad idea and insisted it would work and tired of being told how stupid I was let her do it. I should have kept arguing I just didn't have it in me.

[MathBlade]

Possible ways to get no result:

Roleblock or JK me (see note below on JK)
One of my targets is ascetic
One of my targets was JK'd (is this even in the game? I don't know it's just one of the standard roles that can affect mine)
My targeting was redirected to an ascetic.
My targeting was redirected to someone I had already targeted.

Creature could be scum if:
Scum correctly predicted that Creature would be one of the targets and redirected it to town. I consider this to be very unlikely, so unlikely that I'm taking my result as a conftown on Creature.

What's really going to piss me off is if Creature RB'd me. He was acting like he didn't believe my claim.

Or just the roleblock that night was picked up and used

[MathBlade]

Nero Cain - VT

Lil Uzi Vert - VT
Caesar Wills It - VT
[/b]Leonshade - VT[/b]
MathBlade - Stonehedge
Creature - Alhambara
RadiantCowbells - ??
Vecna - Hagia Sofia
davesaz - Chichen Itza
Alisae - Hailcarnassus

CloudKicker - ???

[/b]Gorkington - ???[/b]

NoticeMeSenpai - ???

nancy - VT

The bolded I do not have a good enough grasp on personality wise and I cannot hold them to not attempting to build a Wonder since I haven't attempted to myself.

I know what Notice is. They are Town.

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I don't think we need to mass claim either but we need to try everything at this point.

I am actually arguing for it.

The fact Nero and you and any of my scum reads can't build a proper 5 man team means I am on the right track.

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Most suspect claims in my opinion so far:

Ali, Math, and Vecna

Claims I believe:

Creature, Dave, nancy

Docs will be outed by the virtue of not claiming.

Bus Vecna. It is okay

[MathBlade]

Most suspect claims in my opinion so far:

Ali, Math, and Vecna

Claims I believe:

Creature, Dave, nancy

Better yet bus nancy either is fine.

[MathBlade]

You can't both believe nancy's claim she is a VT and vote for her and scumread her LUV lol.

[MathBlade]

Believing someone is a VT means you believe they aren't scum.

[MathBlade]

Possible ways to get no result:

Roleblock or JK me (see note below on JK)
One of my targets is ascetic
One of my targets was JK'd (is this even in the game? I don't know it's just one of the standard roles that can affect mine)
My targeting was redirected to an ascetic.
My targeting was redirected to someone I had already targeted.

Creature could be scum if:
Scum correctly predicted that Creature would be one of the targets and redirected it to town. I consider this to be very unlikely, so unlikely that I'm taking my result as a conftown on Creature.

What's really going to piss me off is if Creature RB'd me. He was acting like he didn't believe my claim.

Or just the roleblock that night was picked up and used

This is right up Math's alley.

Here, math, are all the wonders. What wonders could have made Dave get "no result"?

Ancient Era | Classical Era | Medieval Era | Renaissance Era

| Industrial Era

@Dave- which real wonders could have affected it?

Others don't have roleblock capability
Medieval Hagia Sophia Alhambra
Reinassance Leaning Tower
Industrial doesn't apply we aren't at end of day

[MathBlade]

@pv I'm sure you are quite capable of reading them and figuring that out yourself.

Except I'm not the cop with a failed result. TownDave the cop would want to figure what-the-fuck happened, because it's important to solving the game.

If your faking some shit because your scum, then you are going to have to hang yourself.

Which will it be?

...PV stop scumclaiming Davesaz is confTown and already did.

[MathBlade]

Nothing in ancient
Nothing in classical
In Medieval: Alhambra to block, Great Wall for ascetic, Hagia Sophia for redirect
In Renaissance: Leaning Tower to block

Yeah forgot Great Wall derp

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@pv I'm sure you are quite capable of reading them and figuring that out yourself.

Except I'm not the cop with a failed result. TownDave the cop would want to figure what-the-fuck happened, because it's important to solving the game.

If your faking some shit because your scum, then you are going to have to hang yourself.

Which will it be?

...PV stop scumclaiming Davesaz is confTown and already did.

There are 7 dead confirmed town- I am one of them.

I see him posting, but have you bothered to see what you can get from it?

No you aren't confTown.

The more you push confTown the scummier you get.

No I spent my Saturday trying to figure it out by using RNG /sarcasm

[MathBlade]

Medieval Hagia Sophia Alhambra

One is creature. Why would towncreature roleblock the cop claim?

The other allows for Dave to get some sick false positive that could result in a mislynch=

Each night, you may target a player. Specify a wonder with an investigative action, as well as a potential result for that action. If your target is targeted by the specified wonder, the result of the investigation will become the result you provided.

Why would scum roleblock him when they can get better results by the Sophia?

Because they would have to know both with Hagia Sophia.

If they guess that Dave targeted X and then don't know who Y is then saying same or different alignment is risky as fuck. Better to make it no result.

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@ Math Why are you town reading RC when he's not proposing a scum team?

Drixx

[MathBlade]

Nope. I need to stay off wagons to make sure we get a scum and my scum reads all have to bus.

[MathBlade]

Drixx replacing out is null

I disagree.

I love how when I don't do what you want you call me scum.

What makes this accurate is logic.

[MathBlade]

Drixx replacing out is null

I disagree.

I love how when I don't do what you want you call me scum.

What makes this accurate is logic.

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Read the game I just finished where I was scum with Drixx. He can fake his town play very easily in my opinion.

Yes he can in SU2.

It isn't a question of whether or not he can fake townplay.

The replaceout is AI. Period. Drixx is town stop trying to push RC for mislynch.

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Medieval Hagia Sophia Alhambra

One is creature. Why would towncreature roleblock the cop claim?

The other allows for Dave to get some sick false positive that could result in a mislynch=

Each night, you may target a player. Specify a wonder with an investigative action, as well as a potential result for that action. If your target is targeted by the specified wonder, the result of the investigation will become the result you provided.

Why would scum roleblock him when they can get better results by the Sophia?

Because they would have to know both with Hagia Sophia.

If they guess that Dave targeted X and then don't know who Y is then saying same or different alignment is risky as fuck. Better to make it no result.

They set Dave up to find "opposite", so that way it causes confusion and could give scum a mislynch.

I don't think scum took Sophia.

But if it is opposite then nothing is gained as both targets wouldn't be known.

[MathBlade]

Medieval Hagia Sophia Alhambra

One is creature. Why would towncreature roleblock the cop claim?

The other allows for Dave to get some sick false positive that could result in a mislynch=

Each night, you may target a player. Specify a wonder with an investigative action, as well as a potential result for that action. If your target is targeted by the specified wonder, the result of the investigation will become the result you provided.

Why would scum roleblock him when they can get better results by the Sophia?

Because they would have to know both with Hagia Sophia.

If they guess that Dave targeted X and then don't know who Y is then saying same or different alignment is risky as fuck. Better to make it no result.

They set Dave up to find "opposite", so that way it causes confusion and could give scum a mislynch.

I don't think scum took Sophia.

But if it is opposite then nothing is gained as both targets wouldn't be known.

Dave would know.

Dave town target X and Y. Only Y is guessed by scum. X and Y could be same or differing alignments. It is a waste to say opposite when opposite may be true already.

If Dave is scum (impossible) then no need he just lies.

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@pv I'm sure you are quite capable of reading them and figuring that out yourself.

Except I'm not the cop with a failed result. TownDave the cop would want to figure what-the-fuck happened, because it's important to solving the game.

If your faking some shit because your scum, then you are going to have to hang yourself.

Which will it be?

...PV stop scumclaiming Davesaz is confTown and already did.

There are 7 dead confirmed town- I am one of them.

I see him posting, but have you bothered to see what you can get from it?

No you aren't confTown.

The more you push confTown the scummier you get.

No I spent my Saturday trying to figure it out by using RNG /sarcasm

If you cannot figure out that I am confirmed town, then how do you expect anyone to listen to anything you have to say?

Talk about why the earth is flat. Those posts will be much more interesting to debate.

Talk to me about why you're confTown again keeping in mind Shadowrun where Town conf'd me.

If anything I am the damn mechanics expert here and you aren't conf. Quit pushing conf town if you're town.

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Medieval Hagia Sophia Alhambra

One is creature. Why would towncreature roleblock the cop claim?

The other allows for Dave to get some sick false positive that could result in a mislynch=

Each night, you may target a player. Specify a wonder with an investigative action, as well as a potential result for that action. If your target is targeted by the specified wonder, the result of the investigation will become the result you provided.

Why would scum roleblock him when they can get better results by the Sophia?

Because they would have to know both with Hagia Sophia.

If they guess that Dave targeted X and then don't know who Y is then saying same or different alignment is risky as fuck. Better to make it no result.

They set Dave up to find "opposite", so that way it causes confusion and could give scum a mislynch.

I don't think scum took Sophia.

But if it is opposite then nothing is gained as both targets wouldn't be known.

Dave would know.

Dave town target X and Y. Only Y is guessed by scum. X and Y could be same or differing alignments. It is a waste to say opposite when opposite may be true already.

If Dave is scum (impossible) then no need he just lies.

Opposite gives them a guaranteed mislynch (or two), or their target to bus.

Again waste.

They don't know the other target.

If they know target Y is scum then same if the target is town gives them a fake confirm.
If target Y is town then they force themselves into a situation where lynching their buddy becomes highly likely.

No result proper play.

[MathBlade]

Dave was most likely roleblocked unless Vecna WIFOM and redirected Dave.

What wonder did Venca claim and where?

Scumclaim

Town!PV doesn't ask questions that are in the thread.

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Yes. Scum can kill their own when it is pro wincon. As far as I am concerned you are pushing confTown destroying what semblance of town coherence I am trying to build while obv scum are spamming the thread stole the wonder from obvTown Drixx and then decide almost every post of yours is attacking a strong town read.

[MathBlade]

Dave was most likely roleblocked unless Vecna WIFOM and redirected Dave.

What wonder did Venca claim and where?

Scumclaim

Town!PV doesn't ask questions that are in the thread.

Really? I do it all the time. The multi-page search functions on the forum are very limited.

No you don't. You make damn sure to research every last bit.

See Wake's game.

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@Math. Please make me a promise. If I get lynched and this game is still going please ignore yourself and sheep me.

Never gonna happen. A) You're scum and B) if you aren't your reads are impossible.

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What was obvtown from Drixx from BEFORE his replace out?

Saying he was taking Pyramids for starters. How he posted for others. Drixx / RC is never getting my vote.

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And context Math, omg this game is 600 pages. You expect PV to really dig?

Yes.

And Vecna and you and Nero are spamming the thread.

Last time I didn't respond to this shit mislynches happened. I literally have to keep posting to stop the bullshit train.

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....NoticeMeSenpai = JaeReed + mastina with only JaeReed posting

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A) You're scum and B) if you aren't your reads are impossible.

if I'm scum and scum only need one more lynch to win (provided they get the vig wonder) why is Vecna bussing me? Do you not think we are skilled enough to mislynch today?

As long as I keep posting you can't.

Anyone who knows me knows I have the stamina to get a fucking scum lynch.

Today would be a planned bus unless scum are playing dumb which will out them to a forced bus later.

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Yes. Scum can kill their own when it is pro wincon. As far as I am concerned you are pushing confTown destroying what semblance of town coherence I am trying to build while obv scum are spamming the thread stole the wonder from obvTown Drixx and then decide almost every post of yours is attacking a strong town read.

You have a 100% failure rate of catching scum.

Plus this=



So try completing this sentence:

"I, Mathblade, was right about ______________ in post ______________"

Everyone has a 100% failure rate this game because no flips.

Beeboy being town end of D1
Sondam all of game

For starters

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You have a 100% failure rate of catching scum.

I don't think its that low but I'm sure they have a pretty low rate.

I have as good a rate as anyone else. Better if you include Undertale as that skews percentages.

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If you can't say why Drixx is town other than Pyramids and meta, you need to reevaluate. Period.

Not gonna happen.

Drixx is town pick a new mislynch candidate.

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Everyone has a 100% failure rate this game because no flips.

actually, no b/c we haven't lynched anyone I wanted.

Lol it is because you're scum and not actively stopping it.

Need I remind you about your bold text declaring ABR scum yet you don't vote there?

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Give us a game in which you've survived and won as town.

pedit: Lol just give me 1 post that isn't the going for Pyramids or the replace out. Just 1 post that says this is town!Drixx.

Memories

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Oh wait nope night killed because I said Drealmerz scum and I was right.

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And I wouldn't push RC as scum, we're pushing this so you can see possibilities and maybe gloat post game if we were actually right.

Drixx is town you will never convince me otherwise.

Pick a new target.

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So you have nothing lol

This is part of why you're getting treated the way you are now.

I have things they are irrelevant.

I get ignored with cases because too long to read.
I get ignored without cases because too short.

I just get ignored because people say I am math.

On my alt I did much better til someone outed it.

Seriously. You have this bias I suck because math.

I am right on townreads a fuck ton.

I am not ever scumreading that slot.

I have a case it is just not worth my time instead I am taking a nap.

Let scum spam. I can't stop them by myself.

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I could hang KidAmn as a compromise. But really want Nero or Vecna.

VOTE: KidAmn

Compromise ahoy. I fucking hate compromise lynches ugh.

I confused by your turmoil of emotions and opinions.

Which you never argued against you only poked at me

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I could hang KidAmn as a compromise. But really want Nero or Vecna.

VOTE: KidAmn

Compromise ahoy. I fucking hate compromise lynches ugh.

I confused by your turmoil of emotions and opinions.

Which you never argued against you only poked at me

Lol...read like 4-5 posts of KidAmn and I think he's town.

That isn't arguing and fighting it is coasting.

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yeah Math, how do me and Vecna make sense as a team?

If I ever get off this damn cold I plan on sitting up and typing Joe but pretty much wondering if I should as it will be just TLDR or Math wrote it.

This game has been Shade Math the entire time since I can't be NKd.

PV please request a personal PT for that or spoiler tag it.

Else it is spam.

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typing it up* wow autocorrect you suck

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wtf pv quoting all the vcs tells us nothing lol

I need them in one spot.

For the love of God request a personal PT like I have.

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I could hang KidAmn as a compromise. But really want Nero or Vecna.

VOTE: KidAmn

Compromise ahoy. I fucking hate compromise lynches ugh.

I confused by your turmoil of emotions and opinions.

Which you never argued against you only poked at me

Lol...read like 4-5 posts of KidAmn and I think he's town.

That isn't arguing and fighting it is coasting.

I stated my opinion, and where it came from.

Your opinion was "Ugh, I hate compromise lynches".

So, 20/20 hindsight argument...."don't participate in them. Instead, read the ISO and see if you see what PeregrineV sees. If you do, do not vote the player. If you do not, discuss why."

People are fallible. They have the burden of proof to prove me wrong unless they are a demonstrated scumhunting god/goddess/deity.

You didn't care to fight so your opinion is hollow.

I am right til others prove me wrong. Otherwise scum will convince me I am manipulatable. You have to prove it. You have to care and give a damn.

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I tried compromising and doing things the Titus way longer than I should have this game.

Now I am doing them my way which is we are not lynching my townreads unless you can prove it.

My vote won't go there.

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Alisae - Halicarnassus D1 unlikely scum do this and I find it very protown to try to help with what was going on with me and Titus.
Nero Cain
MathBlade - me. ObvTown
Leonshade - With Dave myself and Maxous off the wagon it is very likely that mathematically confirmed not scum need to double check this.
Gorkington
Creature - confTown because Dave
RadiantCowbells - because Drixx
Caesar Wills It -- Need to reread Maxous's ISO here to see if Maxous said trust me please on that. I think Vecna and nancy may have scumslipped that they used their second shot on Caesar and nancy shot Maxous making this not MyLO. It was a theory I have been considering that Spiffeh did not shoot me if scum.
Lil Uzi Vert
Vecna
CloudKicker
davesaz -- ConfTown
NoticeMeSenpai -- Obvious crumbs as to what they are.
nancy

so the entire scum team has to be in Nero, Gorkington, LUV, Vecna, CK, and nancy

(Note this is assuming you were Town) which I don't think you are but made that assumption.

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Who are your scumreads (just the 5)?

they think its me, Nancy, Gork, cloud, Vecna.

I have a pool of 6 plus PV makes seven but PV is not lynchable.

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Who are your scumreads (just the 5)?

they think its me, Nancy, Gork, cloud, Vecna.

I have a pool of 6 plus PV makes seven but PV is not lynchable.

I would like to request you narrow that pool more tightly and with more certainty for today. Instead of scum might be in these 7 because I townread the other 7, give three names that are scum because [other good reasons].

TIA

It will be ignored. I would rather just say who I am willing to vote.

I have been doing that all game while all my scumreads say it is Math.

So tbh I would rather not bother as it won't be read.

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would rather just say who I am willing to vote.

I have been doing that all game

And it has not worked very well.

So do not post who you are willing to vote.

Instead round up three of your hardest-core scumreads from all the evidence in this game that you can gather.

And give us the chance to ignore it,

And then call us out on it.

I did that already and it was ignored. Repeating the same damn thing and expecting different results is insanity.

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would rather just say who I am willing to vote.

I have been doing that all game

And it has not worked very well.

So do not post who you are willing to vote.

Instead round up three of your hardest-core scumreads from all the evidence in this game that you can gather.

And give us the chance to ignore it,

And then call us out on it.

I did that already and it was ignored. Repeating the same damn thing and expecting different results is insanity.

Post number?

A shit ton in my ISO. I am not quoting my entire ISO.

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This was written Pre PV scum claim so this:

I stopped when the page length got insane but I don't recall if Titus ever let me post this.

Spoiler: Page 1 Summary

Both Vecna and LUV vote for no resolution here to instantly give it weight. Meanwhile Leonshade (light town read but would lynch if no lynch would happen instead) and Maxous townread of the century try to figure out which is better. ObvTown PV votes Arts.

Vecna then throws shade on Arts and what it said are some of the most OP powers for town in a game that analyzes. Each player (per Nahdia's post) is limited to ONE wonder. Scum can't take them all. This is likely a complaint of "oh we can't stop another wonder". PV said it best why arts is a good choice. It's another wonder. Priority should have been Sciences, Arts, then None. I would have been okay with Arts. Just not NONE.

Spiffeh does damage control asking about Arts publically here.

Spoiler: Page 2 Summary

What's wrong with playing not to lose is that it is inherently playing to lose. It assumes town is incompetent before the majority have posted. Taking None says "I don't trust town to not be snowballed by scum". It's a subtle shade of every player in the game. Titus while being very annoying with her post ban can solve games. Me in my weird logic way is sometimes right. It's a matter of being given tools to do so. Voting to deny town tools is bullshit. FoS on LUV from that first post on page 2.

Vecna who already had shade from bullshit none reason props Vecna up. I can understand a town block. This has 0 foundation to be a mind merge block yet. They are all saying "none" for the same reasons. Scum don't have daychat so in this case it's really hard to manufacture authentic plans without it. Therefore this likely pressure of none is in order to control Town from having information. It's too quick to be all town like Titus was suggesting later. When she had that town block I was like fuck that noise. If anything they were all scum.

LUV then shades the wonders as "sucking" when these could instantly form a town block (as Titus described). I'm not a fan of townblocks but as in Undertale I do see their use and used it to lynch Maxous. I'm not 100% opposed to town blocks but I am opposed to them on no information and including people actively working against town interests gets a hell no from me.

Leonshade points out exactly the problem against LUV. Likely Leonshade and LUV opposite alignments here. Titus comes in and asks where 5 heads. It's a good question to ask but 5 heads in this is the most likely answer. I call that NAI. I doubt Nahdia swings too far from balance here and does something like 1 scum or 10 scum. If anything 3 and 3 could be possible too but if it's single ball it's almost certainly 5. I posted what I did about the first post later in the game to see reactions. The fact there is a wonder that confirms alignment means that there's probably just town and scum and this makes Leon probably town based on gut but it's a very light townread because as Titus said the 5 is too specific here it feels weird but IMHO probably town.

Then Spiffeh comes in and bolsters None as well. He says scum can take out the role that they are most threatened about. However that doesn't address the other Wonders that would exist in the game and that would stop them from NK'ing their biggest threat towards them being lynched. It'd be a scum's dilemma. I had the same in Shadowrun and had to buddy up to Frozen Angel for the reason she was the doctor but I couldn't kill her else I'd reveal I knew she was the doctor which would put a huge FoS on me when we were down a scum from a smart action from McMenno. This dilemma pins scum. Absolutely sure scum can plan but then we also see something similar to what we saw here at the start where all the scum are piling on None because it is clearly the pro scum choice.

Post 42 by Vecna is blatantly false. Town absolutely should discuss who should get what wonder. It's one of the best things town did in Shadowrun. To be frank I'm shocked I was able to invent an out and Scout wasn't lynched and I wasn't playing the game to win alone after accidentally directing the lynch onto the traitor. It's also what confirmed Maxous as scum to me because there HAD to be a liar between the two. We don't know what would be coming up at all.

Spiffeh then actually puts his vote where he says on none.

ABR then says he's a romanticist at heart. That's a art style that praises individualism. Source. ABR is always for less information being out there. This however is the one type of game where I think the emperor should streak naked sans pants. After Shadowrun I don't blame ABR. It also tells us he is against sciences and if he had to he'd vote arts. It's what looks like a throw away post but is actually very informative here.

Post 48 then is ABR following up on this. His none vote is one against sciences. He is very anti science but he actually gives a priority. Between this and something later is why I townread ABR hard. He just doesn't want to read this mountain of posts/activity.

Spiffeh then throws shade on Titus unnecessarily. We lost because I quit fighting for Magna scum. I had a bickering match and let Titus do her own thing because that was more fun and I replaced out of the hydra. I will NOT make that same mistake again. I will shut up when it is protown to do so but I won't ever stop telling her my scumreads. Hence why I did the bare minimum when she post banned me for not agreeing that Spiffeh was town (among others).

Spoiler: Page 3 Summary

Leonshade comes in and Vecna doesn't attack him for not campaigning for his option. This is odd for Vecna. Instead it makes a general plea to the group. This is likely because Vecna doesn't have to hunt. In PYP he was scum. Vecna and I play scum very similarly going through the scum PT. Vecna is all about control as scum. It was more important for it to get none than to fake hunt or get into an argument with Leonshade here. Vecna is already displaying an agenda rather than hunting. Source

Vecna being the first to bring up 5 players is an excellent response to Titus. IMHO it is a slip here. I deliberately did not mention it in my page one summary so that way Titus's POV could be preserved here as this is somewhat for her.

LUV then comes in and shades Titus again for saying she can't solve this game. WHY? He could just have kept his none post. There is no reason to shade Titus there. FoS on LUV increases. Especially after PYP when Titus was mostly right. If she had lived pretty sure that's a town win.

MariaR is having a bold opinion. Take a look at the PT where Maria R and Vecna were scum together. Maria was meeker than anything just more like "tell me what to do". MariaR in the other game trolled the start and tried to manipulate thoughts of her early and was wishy washy but loud. Never really posting an opinion. Maria R is the likely first townie to be deceived to the collaboration of scums voting for none.

Spiffeh then turns around and asks about the case for Sciences. This is more ignoring of Leonshade and going after Titus. Hint: It's because Titus is a threat who can solve this game when she isn't derping. Spiffeh is scum sis. *lightly smacks you* The alternative if I am wrong on one of my scum reads but I doubt Leon is scum here as he wouldn't highlight Vecna's post here. It's clear Leon doesn't believe Vecna slipped. It's very casual. I don't think Vecna slipped either BUT I do think it's fishy. If Leon is scum it'd be with Vecna or Leon is most likely town.

Vecna then just tries to brush Leon and Titus off with just "most likely" while that is accurate. 6 and 4/4 and 3/3 are also viable options. The fact is we just don't know and the 5 being first while likely is still suspect but not to "slip" levels. The smiley afterward and ignoring the Titus push is common of scum letting their buddy coast. If Vecna really thought Titus was being destructive Vecna would push here. But Spiffeh and Vecna can't appear too coordinated.

PV is town for trying to not push an agenda here. He's just calmly explaining to Titus where she can still do what she can without Sciences.

LUV then defends Vecna for doing the 5 post completely unnecessarily. I had been operating under a theory of 5 for a little bit. The proper townie thing to do would have been push Titus for her mistake. Instead neither of the three of them do. They push Titus for pushing science because the "NONE" is more important than the mislynch. Because if Titus gets her none she could easily steam roll this game and Titus is a very hard D1 mislynch.

LUV says we don't need powers. This is correct. We don't need powers. But we should be using every tool we are given. FoS LUV stronger.

Vecna and LUV don't have day chat so Vecna telling LUV to let it go is obvious as fuck. No way town says to a townread not to defend them. It may be obvious but you get reads from that. It deliberately shuts down conversation. Vecna as scum doesn't want to be talked about same with LUV. The center of attention is just bad for most scum players. I blame RNGJesus for this scum team because they work well together and are very good at deception (evidenced by their win before). I see the same markers as PyP.

Elbirn is trying to be ABR number 2. Obv Town.

Vecna at the end of page three then remembers he should townread LUV when he says not to defend him so he throws it in. You can use everything up to post 74 to townread LUV. =28406]LUV ISO. Please explain how that little content gets elevated to a town read. To quote Vecna, suspicion of Vecna grows

Spoiler: Page 4 Summary

Vecna again doesn't hunt and decides to instead be annoying with Elbrin. Spiffeh continues to push the scum dream of none. PV continues on his trying to convince and being transparent bit. Frogger repeats the same arguments rinsed washed and repeated by this point. And then "arts is just fucking stupid"...That's not even a reason. It's not clear it's stupid and it is just another way to sneak on "none".

A&N posts their FoS for people on none and I whole heartedly agree but not because they are voting none but because they are voting to deny town power. There isn't a scum benefit here that is so OP that we shouldn't have given town power. None was STUPID.

Elbirn then changes his mind and votes the same because of all the "voices" agreeing it should be the right then when it clearly isn't.

Titus here gets a scumread of Vecna and I thought "Yay...maybe a game where we agree..." Then Titus townreads Vecna and I'm like

LUV then asks us to imagine the damage. A Titus town doesn't let scum do the damage because she finds where scum were plotting and nukes them to orbit. Boooo....LUV's entire argument is scum deceive people imagine it. Then if they don't have powers THEY ARE STILL TRYING TO DECEIVE PEOPLE. Like OMG. They don't quit being scum because we deny town power. OMG.

And Vecna is on another planet if he thinks we're the same person. ROTFLMBO. He just threw shade on me before I even POSTED anything other than sciences. BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

PV I can understand his reasons for none over Sciences but Sciences with Titus is like fucking gold. I'm sorry that was crazy. Arts was second best and none third. The sciences are literally what brought us out of the dark ages. That's a GOOD thing.

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Math do you really think that Kid wagon was pushed by nothing but town and scum only jumped on at the end?

Yes because daychat

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I quit on page 11 with Titus and I am not spamming up the thread further.

A see every damn calculated move scum made and it annoys me that people just go "It is Math" so everything I say is useless so it is possibly MyLO so I am stuck in mud.

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I don't think daychat would have anything to do with that...like at all.

You have to say that you're scum.

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MariaR towntold on page Three and the fact Vecna didn't see that is another reason still it is scum.

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Why am I scum for quitting when you've quit before I did?

I quit paraphrasing every scummy thing.

I didn't quit the game.

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I quit on page 11 with Titus and I am not spamming up the thread further.

A see every damn calculated move scum made and it annoys me that people just go "It is Math" so everything I say is useless so it is possibly MyLO so I am stuck in mud.

If there are 14 alive, and 5 scum, leaving 9 town, how is today any chance of losing?

14 Town means 8 majority. 14 - 8 = 6.

If scum are hoarding vig and get second it is GG if we mislynch
12-7 = 5

Only confirmed powers are daychat and whatever fucked with Dave for scum.

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I literally spent hours trying to explain what I thought and Titus just says no or postbans me because I disagree with her reads even when I explain how her reads are wrong irrelevant.

People are coming around to a lot of the people I had with my first VCA. Granted Yuri was wrong but I will be shocked as fuck if Vecna and LUV aren't scum with that opening. Vecna townreads LUV over literally nothing.

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Vecna moreso than LUv because of flat out missing the towntell in the first post.

MariaR is almost always picked as a mislynch candidate. Mafia is NOT a popularity contest it is a lynch scum contest and quite frankly to me MariaR is almost the easiest player to read on site.

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Math how do I make sense in a team with Vecna and Nancy?

You do. I am going slowly here. If I do TLDR no one reads.

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Ok I didnt want to post this but all the dumbasses are forcing me.

SCUM WANTS SCIENCE.

IT ALLOWS THEM TO -NOT- PICK THE SHITTY DAYCHAT. WHICH IS A WASTE. OF A SLOT

WITH SCIENCE, THEY CAN DISCUSS DURING THE NIGHT HOW THEY COORDINATE THE PICKING OF ABILITIES AND HOW TO DIVIDE THEM.

WITHOUT SCIENCE, THEY NEED DAYCHAT TO COORDINATE

picking science effectively gives scum the opportunity to pass on daychat. We WANT them to be forced to pick daychat.

Everyone arguing so hard why they want science probably realized this.

Main person is Drixx who is literally bringing out all the bad arguments why we need it and is trying to -shade- me and my logic hard.

How do you feel about that Titus? Ignore the parts where he is caressing your ego and all that, and look at the argument he is making and how hard he is pushing it, pretty much just forcing all kinds of nonsense together just to discredit my reasoning.

What kind of special are you? Are you

seriously

trying to argue that any scum team would pass on a day chat facilitator just on the HOPE that something better might be attained later in the game ... just because they can discuss what to build at night if we research science? That's your whole logical thought process?

And here I was assuming you had something actually important you were not saying and not something so completely implausible as to be absurd to even worry about.

Paranoid? No I don't think so.

TRYING TOO HARD

to look paranoid.

And you gets a townread!

~~Math

Fyi re Drixx

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Have you ever considered that Vecna has a better understanding of my personality and play style than you ever will Math?

You aren't addressing the points there instead that is an empty plea to townread Vecna so I townread you. This is the shit that is shade. You attempt to discredit me not the point.

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Spoiler: What Vecna Townread LUV for and Vecna said not to worry about a scumread

Hey guys

What's shaking?

Sounds like a bad idea.

VOTE: None

Agreed with Math. Picking a resolution to minimize scum harm is playing to not lose. Picking what's best for town is playing to win.

What's wrong with playing not to lose? Isn't playing optimally always better?

@mod If Arts is chosen, will a vote/lynch mechanic still be available during MYLO/LYLO?

Why does it seem like you're thinking so far ahead?

The majority of the Anicent Era Wonders suck

We can but we most likely won't. That is asking for a lot.

Playing not to lose is playing smart. Playing to win is gambling.

Sciences just leads to distractions. Gives scum an excuse to look like they're doing something.

I full heartedly disagree. There's already awesome stuff now, and town can coordinate. There's two wonders I would want personally from this stage here. Who said wonders go up in value as time progresses?

For instance, sciences with the neighborizer can coordinate and form a masonry. Sciences with the Stonehenge can publicly cop who takes a scummy role if they die at night. The doctor can heal prime targets for good role acquisition. (If someone says, I am really good at X and wants it, the doctor can keep them alive).

It may not be traditional coordinating and leashing but it still is coordinating.

~Titus

All of them are awesome theory wise but have the potential to really swing the game into scums favor. There is only one Wonder this era that is guaranteed to help town and screw scum.

I didn't notice Vecna was the first one to say 5 either. To be fair, me, him, and Maria just finished a game together where there were 20+ players and we were on a scum team of 5.

MB and Titus were also in that game.

We don't need information, we just need to force scum to beat us with strong Day play.

Let it go LUV, absolutely noone is going to scumread me over something so obvious and trivial.

I was actually defending you

The last post in there by Vecna is a scumclaim.

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You're not taking into account Gerry at all...

I had one game experience with Gerry not enough for a meta tell but if I canread one head and it tells the whole head does. Sondam Town told. I didn't need to take into account Gerry head.

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I don't I think 5.

11-6=5 that means all town agree and GG without a scum flip

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Alive - Majority = remainder

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Alive - Majority = remainder

Try #of Alive Players - Scum = # of town players

14 - 5 scum (standard # for a 19-23 player game) = 9 town

Mislynch + 2 vigs + NK = we lose 5 town v 5 scum

Forgot about second possible vig a second

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In fact, all your reads are 10 times as thin as mine. You have like 600 posts more with your slot, but im willing to bet my reads have a lot more explaining and reasoning behind them that I shared.

All you've done to justify your reads is "no its a townread, we dont touch my townreads, X.X would never do Y as Z".

Explaining every scummy action you have done is thin.

Man I would hate to see what thick is? The entire novel of war and peace?

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And yes I am saying you telling a supposed townread not to worry about being scumread is bad.

I am saying there is not enough there to townread him on when MariaR towntold you ignored it.

When I tried to pressure you and so did Notice the lynch was changed.

Vecna was a wagon.

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And yes I am saying you telling a supposed townread not to worry about being scumread is bad.

Why can't a scumVecna say that to town?

He could but VCA and luv'S respibse paraphrased "I was sending you lol please stop fucking this up" make him scum. There was no scum hunting in that opening

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OK GUYS I GOTTA GO FOR LIKE AN HOUR YOU'LL JUST HAVE TO MAKE YOUR OWN VOTECOUNTS OR WHATEVER DON'T DIE OR DO I DONT REALLY CARE

Lynch Vote 1.43

Vecna (6):

Caesar Wills It, NoticeMeSenpai, Fro99er, Albert B. Rampage, Akane and Nebby, Yuri

beeboy (5):

ssbm_Kyouko, PeregrineV, Spiffeh, Elbirn, Sondam

Albert B. Rampage (4):

The DEO, Lil Uzi Vert, Vecna, Creature

Yuri (3):

beeboy, Nero Cain, Leonshade

Creature (2):

davesaz, Maxous

Sondam (1):

Drixx

Not Voting (0):

With 21 players alive, it takes 11 to to lynch.
Lynch deadline is in (expired on 2017-02-21 10:05:30), at which point we will default to no lynch.

Such a huge proponent Nero tell me where your vote is.

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Alive - Majority = remainder

Try #of Alive Players - Scum = # of town players

14 - 5 scum (standard # for a 19-23 player game) = 9 town

Mislynch + 2 vigs + NK = we lose 5 town v 5 scum

Forgot about second possible vig a second

So scum would have gotten both vigs, daychat, and what other 2 wonders?

Something to mess with Davesaz and they have to pick up that vig tonight

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OK GUYS I GOTTA GO FOR LIKE AN HOUR YOU'LL JUST HAVE TO MAKE YOUR OWN VOTECOUNTS OR WHATEVER DON'T DIE OR DO I DONT REALLY CARE

Lynch Vote 1.43

Vecna (6):

Caesar Wills It, NoticeMeSenpai, Fro99er, Albert B. Rampage, Akane and Nebby, Yuri

beeboy (5):

ssbm_Kyouko, PeregrineV, Spiffeh, Elbirn, Sondam

Albert B. Rampage (4):

The DEO, Lil Uzi Vert, Vecna, Creature

Yuri (3):

beeboy, Nero Cain, Leonshade

Creature (2):

davesaz, Maxous

Sondam (1):

Drixx

Not Voting (0):

With 21 players alive, it takes 11 to to lynch.
Lynch deadline is in (expired on 2017-02-21 10:05:30), at which point we will default to no lynch.

Such a huge proponent Nero tell me where your vote is.

you know thats d1 and not d2 right?

Correct and I was referring to the D1 activities

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Vote: nancy

Just saw there was another niehgborhood wonder last night. That's 2 she "passed" up on.

Makes me think she already has one, and that it is not beneficial to town.

If she had a neighborhood wonder she would be CC'd from her VT claim.

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Vote: nancy

Just saw there was another niehgborhood wonder last night. That's 2 she "passed" up on.

Makes me think she already has one, and that it is not beneficial to town.

If she had a neighborhood wonder she would be CC'd from her VT claim.

no, she claimed to have day2 tried to get Masoleum, "blowing her wad", so to speak, and then nothing since.

Put that way, you try to get the next 'hood wonder. Or the next.

She indicated she did not.

If nancy built a neighborhood wonder then someone would say "I am in a hood with nancy"

It is either she did not built it or she neighborized all her scum buddies.

I think she is scum but a lack of cc means she did not probably build a neighborization wonder.

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how convenient that Leon is now my team mate....

Indeed it is!

Why are we teamed?

Because we were doing VCA, Mathblade style.

And because it was a wonderfull timing to mock both of you a little bit.

It was funny though that he did catch you in the lie that you were a big proponent of my wagon on Day whatever, because thats pretty much not how I remember it either.

Nero on D2 I have to check my notes but D1 you weren't.

And again Vecna I AM A THEY.

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Vote: nancy

Just saw there was another niehgborhood wonder last night. That's 2 she "passed" up on.

Makes me think she already has one, and that it is not beneficial to town.

If she had a neighborhood wonder she would be CC'd from her VT claim.

no, she claimed to have day2 tried to get Masoleum, "blowing her wad", so to speak, and then nothing since.

Put that way, you try to get the next 'hood wonder. Or the next.

She indicated she did not.

If nancy built a neighborhood wonder then someone would say "I am in a hood with nancy"

It is either she did not built it or she neighborized all her scum buddies.

I think she is scum but a lack of cc means she did not probably build a neighborization wonder.

Yeah....or maybe those people DO NOT want to out it....so you know, scum might waste a night kill on them while theyre doc-protected?

We've been massclaiming.
nancy knows how poorly I take lying about claims.
0% chance she lies.
RC I don't trust his claim after backstabbers (sorry RC) and I always wait for proof.
Think-think mathblade, use that grey mass a bit more.

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My priority is sky high then lol

Yes LUV, you need to build that vig wonder.

...Blatant scum coaching wrong thread. *sigh*

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Vote: nancy

Just saw there was another niehgborhood wonder last night. That's 2 she "passed" up on.

Makes me think she already has one, and that it is not beneficial to town.

If she had a neighborhood wonder she would be CC'd from her VT claim.

no, she claimed to have day2 tried to get Masoleum, "blowing her wad", so to speak, and then nothing since.

Put that way, you try to get the next 'hood wonder. Or the next.

She indicated she did not.

If nancy built a neighborhood wonder then someone would say "I am in a hood with nancy"

It is either she did not built it or she neighborized all her scum buddies.

I think she is scum but a lack of cc means she did not probably build a neighborization wonder.

Yes, that is my point. When you claim the way she did, 14918, emotionally it seems like you would try for the next neighboorhood wonder, or the next one.

She does not have appeared to have done that.

I think it is because she is scum.

Maybe maybe not.

I agree it needs explanation though. I have a couple of plausible reasons in my head. But if I share them she uses them.

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My priority is sky high then lol

Yes LUV, you need to build that vig wonder.

...Blatant scum coaching wrong thread. *sigh*

Oh yes, I totally forgot about the day-chat thread. How stupid, I couldve discussed my strategic plan in there, but instead I did it in the main thread! Oh my, what a foolish mistake, how will I ever recover from this embarrassment.

You laugh but scum do this a lot.

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Math, scum need 1 mislynch to win. Why would Vecna bus me?

If my two vig theory is wrong for starters. The other is we are super close on the whole team so everyone is in instant bus mode.

Vecna and you have changed a lot of your reads.

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Maybe maybe not.

I agree it needs explanation though. I have a couple of plausible reasons in my head. But if I share them she uses them.

Let's start with a vote on there and see how the claim ebbs and flows.

No as obvTown it is my job to hammer so scum can't get away.

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You're not taking into account Gerry at all...

I had one game experience with Gerry not enough for a meta tell but if I canread one head and it tells the whole head does. Sondam Town told. I didn't need to take into account Gerry head.

Damn this thread accelerated all of a sudden.

Anyways.....I even said Gerry was probably town when I voted him. My reason for voting him was pure annoyance with his terrible play, and I stated as much. If youre going to use such arguments, look at all your townreads first because it was them that actually went on to speedhammer the slot.

And yes, I did townread LUV very early. Yes it was mostly meta. Who the fuck are you to tell me I cannot do that, yet you do the _EXACT_ same thing with Drixx all game long. You have townread the slot over like 10 posts over the entirity of day 1. Stop being such a hypocrit and coming up with shit reasons just to cling to your scumread of me.

day1, day2, day3 build attempts & any actions lastnight, please

@Venca

Day1 I tried to build that wonder that Mathblade ended up getting (stonehenge its called I think?)

Day 3 I denied the wonder investigation manipulator to scum.

I did not use it Night 3

On night 4 I used my wonder with an invalid order that would still visit Nancy, in the hopes of visiting the red fort builder (the wonder that shows who visits you every night). This in the offchance to detect whether or not creature really did roleblock me. Sadly Nancy did not build the Red Fort.

You wonder only fucks with investigations what did you do?

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math.
im like.
90% sure vecna is town right now.

if youre going to continue this nonstop blitz of posting, you should understand that
A) its not changing anything about how im perceiving him specifically
B) its making this thread a fucking chore to read.

you keep saying that scum is going to drive the gamestate if you dont spam to stop them, but i dont really see why anyone would seriously advocate towards lynching in the next few days.
and if somehow a quicklynch happens, then whoever's town throwing around their votes can eat shit postgame.

theres also that it doesnt really seem like theres any momentum on anyone except nero, so i dont really get why youre congesting the thread here.

condense a case on vecna if you think hes scum.
like.
point by point
why is he scum.
make something that i can actually digest.

vecna's said you have a bad history of reading him in the past, is that true? or no?

I am not stopping posting when my scumreads aren't. That is how I almost lost the Maxous lynch.

I already did that for the first five pages.

I am not doing that for the entire game it would be a novel and a townread of mine would be mislynched by the time I was done.

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Math, scum need 1 mislynch to win. Why would Vecna bus me?

If my two vig theory is wrong for starters. The other is we are super close on the whole team so everyone is in instant bus mode.

Vecna and you have changed a lot of your reads.

Which is a thing that proper town players do Mathblade.

If you have the exact same reads since day1 - youre really really doing something totally wrong.

Reads change yes but not that drastically.

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@Gork- what were your build attempts day1 through day4?

im not really sure this is protown for me to claim tbh.
im a little worried that what i specifically tried to build would be giving scum info on something.

Claim it. Your failures only reveal what wonders are out there.

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I am not saying you weren't all over Vecna on D2. I am saying if Vecna is scum those who hop on later in this case D2 are the likely bussers. I am saying your push on D2 is irrelevant.

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math
you'll have to go to bed at some point.

what happens then?
WHAT HAPPENS THEN!?!?

[but seriously though, i really dont think a lynch is going to happen just because youre not posting, i think the real effect is that this game is going to be impossible for anyone thats catching up to parse]

Sondam this game and almost Narna in Undertale.

I keep fucking pressing on.

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Simple you're lying Vecna How's that?

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Werent we talking about that small day1 wagon?

no. I specifically said I was all over you d2.

Which makes you a likely busser if Vecna is scum.

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I respect Vecna as a person but I am not shelving Vecna as a scumread when a scumread asks.

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Simple you're lying Vecna How's that?

Not very creative.

Ill have to tell you though, I did want to make the tracker see that Nancy visited Santa Clause, but Nancy told me that was an illegal order, since Santa clause is not a player in our game.

So mean.

Sometimes truth hurts.

Why would nancy tell you visiting Santa Claus is illegal. It is no more than picking a dead player which I can't do.

So here is a hint you're full of shit because I can't target PV. You can't target Sondam.

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Furthermore how would nancy tell you visiting Santa Claus is illegal?

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Pretty sure I would remember conversations about Santa Claus.

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Moderator: Can anyone target a dead player?

There answer should be no then you lied Vecna.

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You're not taking into account Gerry at all...

I had one game experience with Gerry not enough for a meta tell but if I canread one head and it tells the whole head does. Sondam Town told. I didn't need to take into account Gerry head.

Damn this thread accelerated all of a sudden.

Anyways.....I even said Gerry was probably town when I voted him. My reason for voting him was pure annoyance with his terrible play, and I stated as much. If youre going to use such arguments, look at all your townreads first because it was them that actually went on to speedhammer the slot.

And yes, I did townread LUV very early. Yes it was mostly meta. Who the fuck are you to tell me I cannot do that, yet you do the _EXACT_ same thing with Drixx all game long. You have townread the slot over like 10 posts over the entirity of day 1. Stop being such a hypocrit and coming up with shit reasons just to cling to your scumread of me.

day1, day2, day3 build attempts & any actions lastnight, please

@Venca

Day1 I tried to build that wonder that Mathblade ended up getting (stonehenge its called I think?)

Day 3 I denied the wonder investigation manipulator to scum.

I did not use it Night 3

On night 4 I used my wonder with an invalid order that would still visit Nancy, in the hopes of visiting the red fort builder (the wonder that shows who visits you every night). This in the offchance to detect whether or not creature really did roleblock me. Sadly Nancy did not build the Red Fort.

You wonder only fucks with investigations what did you do?

I visited Nancy, and stated that if she got visited by the TRACKER (Petra) wonder, it would show her as visiting ME. But the tracker wonder died with Sondamn, so there is no way my action couldve changed anything.

I did confirm with the GM it would still count as a visit however - so if Nancy had built Redfort as I had hoped it wouldve served as a nice check whether Creature really did RB me.

.....now tell me if that sounds like a scum motivated action, Mathblade.....

Or a dastardly clever plan to determine whether creature is lying to us.

So you can't do that as the wonder doesn't exist as it is on a dead player so the wonder doesn't exist.

Moderator: Do you allow defunct actions like targeting/interacting/selecting of dead players possessions? This is assuming the wonder doesn't call that out.

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In civ games when a civ dies the wonder dies (except civ 6 sometimes) so can Hagia Sophia target a dead wonder as that wonder doesn't exist? Similar to how I can't target PV.

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Moderator: Can anyone target a dead player?

There answer should be no then you lied Vecna.

I never said anything about targeting dead players. I merely stated if the tracker wonder were to be used on nancy last night, and I wasnt roleblocked, my wonder wouldve done something.

you can ask the gm if my wonder can be used to fake results from wonders that are no longer in play though.

Yes because the player has the wonder you'd need to target the player with the wonder so I feel that isn't permissible or nothing should happen. However I have the question in bold and I think you are full of shit.

And I respect you as a person but do not townread you.

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In civ games when a civ dies the wonder dies (except civ 6 sometimes) so can Hagia Sophia target a dead wonder as that wonder doesn't exist? Similar to how I can't target PV.

Can you target me?

I already asked the mod after your Pyramids shit I can't.

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In civ games when a civ dies the wonder dies (except civ 6 sometimes) so can Hagia Sophia target a dead wonder as that wonder doesn't exist? Similar to how I can't target PV.

This question is... difficult to answer.

Hagia Sophia does not

target

a wonder, it specifies one as part of the action submission. It

targets

a player, one who must be alive.

Then the wonder has to exist right...Player is dead wonder doesn't exist? Aka no effect

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In civ games when a civ dies the wonder dies (except civ 6 sometimes) so can Hagia Sophia target a dead wonder as that wonder doesn't exist? Similar to how I can't target PV.

This question is... difficult to answer.

Hagia Sophia does not

target

a wonder, it specifies one as part of the action submission. It

targets

a player, one who must be alive.

Then the wonder has to exist right...Player is dead wonder doesn't exist? Aka no effect

Except the pyramids do. I am dead inside of them.

That exception is noted in the wonder.

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This is kinda neat though.......

Like, unless you guys really believe I went through all this shit as scum....

This pretty much townclears me

I have literally invented alternate universes on DLP to get confTown lynched as to not lynch who I thought my recruiter was using Madoka magicka

It does nothing of the sort.

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That is not an exaggeration. I invented something so insane people bought it.

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No. It only confirms you asked the question about Hagia Sophia. It does not confirm your alignment nor does it confirm you have it.

I did the same trick in Shadowrun to look townie.

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I even tried it in Open 665 and the mod freaking confirmed me as scum and made it to LyLO

Asking questions no matter how absurd is NAI.

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The fact it is trying to say that it is Town because it asked a question is absurd.

More than likely he just fucked with Davesaz.

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It just fucked with davesaz*

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I did it once as scum =/= Makes him scum

That isn't what makes him scum. He is trying to pass off NAI actions as a townfirm.

Vecna isn't Town this is literally Shadowrun and my other games.

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That is not what you should be focused on.

Do you think his reasoning for who he targeted is town motivated? Yes or no?

I think Occam's razor and he hit Davesaz.

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Math forget about Vecna I will make absolutely sure he gets destroyed tomorrow for now let's vote Nero

Not voting I am obvTown so I have to hammer.

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I did it once as scum =/= Makes him scum

That isn't what makes him scum. He is trying to pass off NAI actions as a townfirm.

Vecna isn't Town this is literally Shadowrun and my other games.

That's what you've been doing with Drixx lol

lol I quote a post that explains townread preflip and you say passing off NAI statements.

No winning for losing with you and the replace out is AI and the difference is even if you feel it is NAI I am not doing it to myself.

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The fact it is trying to say that it is Town because it asked a question is absurd.

More than likely he just fucked with Davesaz.

Theres just no convincing you is there?

Not when you are scum nope. I don't see a good reason. I see a big elaborate plea to fuck with us and get townread and taking a wonder that you never should have acted with the red fort bit is insane and ridiculous. There comes a point when if you lie a bunch or create such an elaborate story of what you do I go with what is simple. You lied.

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Please don't modkill yourself as either alignment I don't like lynching scum that way.

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I am running into the same problem as in backstabbers

The lies are so ridiculous I just can't believe them.

I had proof RC wasn't PGO and on other sites that is a guilty.
I have proof you are asking insane questions and very likely have a shitfest wonder.

The likely answer is you are scum Vecna especially combined with play and VCA.

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Yeah I can because she could easily being faking her town play.

Seriously LUV. I have NO completed scum games. I am NOT GOOD as scum. I have no fucking clue how you have managed to convince yourself I am so good at mafia that I could play the way I have this game as scum while getting townread by the two people who know me best (Aslan and Notice, three if you think RC is Town).

Notice is scumreading you actually.

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People won't cooperate *shrug* they think I'm scum

By people you mean Jae.

Last post by Jae says Jae scumreads you.

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No offense to Jae but I am a way better player than she is and her opinions on nancy's alignment should be basically ignored here

Jae is a they

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Like come the fuck on guys there's so much locktown in this game that it's gross that we're still having issues

Who do you think is lock Town?

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That is literally 5 right there, just have to decide between Ali/Notice and Nero can go either way.

Remove Vecna

Spoiler:

and PV but I know you aren't listening to that

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RC energize me my give a fucks are going away

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Unless everyone is convinced Vecna scum we lose.

I am not spamming.

My messages have a point and are not stupid.

So I am AMMing the thread.

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Who are you asking the question to RC?

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Besides me BaeReed.

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Davesaz has the parity but sure but BaeReed has been pushing through while being on Aussie time.

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Yes and yes sorry RC

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OK GUYS I GOTTA GO FOR LIKE AN HOUR YOU'LL JUST HAVE TO MAKE YOUR OWN VOTECOUNTS OR WHATEVER DON'T DIE OR DO I DONT REALLY CARE

Lynch Vote 1.43

Vecna (6):

Caesar Wills It, NoticeMeSenpai, Fro99er, Albert B. Rampage, Akane and Nebby, Yuri

beeboy (5):

ssbm_Kyouko, PeregrineV, Spiffeh, Elbirn, Sondam

Albert B. Rampage (4):

The DEO, Lil Uzi Vert, Vecna, Creature

Yuri (3):

beeboy, Nero Cain, Leonshade

Creature (2):

davesaz, Maxous

Sondam (1):

Drixx

Not Voting (0):

With 21 players alive, it takes 11 to to lynch.
Lynch deadline is in (expired on 2017-02-21 10:05:30), at which point we will default to no lynch.

Literally everyone on the Vecna wagon is good D1 I wasn't on it because Titus wouldn't let me.

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MathBlade that's your issue. You are not a good player. You are not a decent player. You are a bad one and you don't have the context to make these judgements.

You aren't qualified to determine the quality of your read on Vecna. You aren't qualified to determine the quality of your read on nancy.

You aren't qualified to determine the quality of anyone's scumhunting. You are simply not that good of a player and that's a fact.

Have you forgotten that you thought scum were literally the 3 remaining town in Titus's game? Did you learn nothing from that?

I learned that people are antitown fucks sometimes and I have no regrets over Titus's game. None. I go to any other site and you would be policy lynched. That game is not a good example.

I am qualified. Everyone makes mistakes and to doubt I can't play mafia means I don't play.

Doubting myself in LYLO lost WWE Raw when I was called insane for scumreading A50.

I was right.

I am unorthodox yes. But bad. No.

I was right on Maxous.

I am wrong sometimes but I am right sometimes.

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The times I am right we lost because I gave up. The times we lost when I was wrong it was because I didn't understand what was being said and people were again antitown players.

The argument to be made if you wish to make it is I don't know when to shut up but considering shutting up when Titus forced it cost us multiple Town lynches I will always fight.

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Shutting up is giving up and I will not give up.

Giving up = loss.

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Lynch Vote 5.08

Nero Cain (4):

RadiantCowbells, Vecna, Alisae, Leonshade

nancy (3):

Nero Cain, CloudKicker, Lil Uzi Vert

Leonshade (1):

nancy

Not Voting (6):

MathBlade, Gorkington, Creature, Caesar Wills It, davesaz, NoticeMeSenpai

With 14 players alive, it takes 8 to lynch by majority.
Lynch deadline is in (expired on 2017-04-10 14:55:00), at which point we will default to no lynch.

Industrial Era Wonders & Resolution

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I am starting to lose it too when people don't vote obvious scum.

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I want to think that Nero v RC isn't a TvT.

It is svt or tvt

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Math you don't get to call people obvious scum

Then no one does.

All players equal.

And that is a fact LUV,

I have stated why. As obvTown I have to have hammer.

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Sorry, I've been busy. I'm VT I went for broke on the neighborhood wonder and lost it, obviously. Someone with priority needs to deny the vig because scum very likely have 1 slot with priority here.

NK is optimal which means one of two people are very likely scum and also means that there are scum in my Towns. Need to rethink. If Town has the IC wonder, they NEED to reveal with mod RIGHT THE FUCK NOW.

Aslan I am trusting you on Caesar, I need you to be sure. Please reset and go back over his non-flavor content and thoroughly grok that.

CK you were PoE, why can you not be scum with Leonshade? I need a lot of content from you today, please.

davesaz I'm presuming you targeted RC and I.

Vecna I need you to stop considering a world where Aslan and Notice are scum and focus elsewhere, please.

Don't lie to a person with notes.

How do you go for broke on a neighborhood wonder without building it?

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Anything I missed in these 40 pages?

nancy is a liar. Again.
Vecna created a scheme to get conftowned
Nero is obv scum along with LuV.

The scum team has been shading me to try to mislynch RC and I kept saying no.

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So will you hammer Nero when he gets to L-1?

Would rather lynch nancy caught in a direct lie.

But Nero yes I would hammer.
I gave a list of who I would vote.

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MathBlade did you ever consider that the people FoSing me are the same people FoSing nancy?

They are different people.

Look at the VC.

nancy is an outed liar lynch nancy.

She said she went for broke for neighborhood wonder and is now saying she never tried to build it.

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Sorry, I've been busy. I'm VT I went for broke on the neighborhood wonder and lost it, obviously. Someone with priority needs to deny the vig because scum very likely have 1 slot with priority here.

NK is optimal which means one of two people are very likely scum and also means that there are scum in my Towns. Need to rethink. If Town has the IC wonder, they NEED to reveal with mod RIGHT THE FUCK NOW.

Aslan I am trusting you on Caesar, I need you to be sure. Please reset and go back over his non-flavor content and thoroughly grok that.

CK you were PoE, why can you not be scum with Leonshade? I need a lot of content from you today, please.

davesaz I'm presuming you targeted RC and I.

Vecna I need you to stop considering a world where Aslan and Notice are scum and focus elsewhere, please.

Don't lie to a person with notes.

How do you go for broke on a neighborhood wonder without building it?

I cited where she said she went for broke days ago on the neighborizing wonder.

That isn't wifom. Town always remember what they claim.

There is also no benefit to wifoming about failing to build a wonder confirmed to exist.

nancy is scum.

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Creature vote nancy she is confirmed liar.

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Vecna what do you think of nancy's lie?

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What if nancy was reaction testing? Or trying to WIFOM scum?

LUV is scum protecting nancy.

No reason to wifom a failed wonder build of a wonder we know exists and who has it. She should have kept it the same but didn't because the claim is fake.

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I dont see how theres a lie in there? What do you think shes lying about exactly.

She said she failed to build a neighborizing wonder.

Now she is saying she never submitted it.

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Sorry, I've been busy. I'm VT I went for broke on the neighborhood wonder and lost it, obviously. Someone with priority needs to deny the vig because scum very likely have 1 slot with priority here.

NK is optimal which means one of two people are very likely scum and also means that there are scum in my Towns. Need to rethink. If Town has the IC wonder, they NEED to reveal with mod RIGHT THE FUCK NOW.

Aslan I am trusting you on Caesar, I need you to be sure. Please reset and go back over his non-flavor content and thoroughly grok that.

CK you were PoE, why can you not be scum with Leonshade? I need a lot of content from you today, please.

davesaz I'm presuming you targeted RC and I.

Vecna I need you to stop considering a world where Aslan and Notice are scum and focus elsewhere, please.

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My fullclaim is:

Spiffeh didn't try to build a wonder and didn't no build D1 (no priority)
Ditto by me D2 (no priority)
I tried for parity cop D3
I tried for neighborhood wonder D4

Like, this is the claim? Wheres the lie? I think youre misinterpreting her words somehow.

going for broke, I think means trying without priority as a hail mary.

She is revising her claim that was on March 28th

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To me, those posts say the say thing?

The neighborhood wonder is Alisae's she never went for broke on it. She could have tried for the D4 wonder but it isn't possible to go for broke. She did other things. She lied.

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She can't submit parity cop and go for broke on neighborhood wonder that is contradictory.

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nancy is trying to out who got the neighborhood wonder.

Going for broke = poker term

It means put everything you have into it.

If you split your bet (blackjack term) you aren't going for broke

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nancy lied so yay three even more obvious scum.

*sigh*

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You don't see why Vecna as scum wouldn't crumb and wouldn't claim?



LuV is scum for that post alone people.

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And the only way ever to be convincing is to yell and shout and dominate. It is how Mafia works on forums so I will bring all of you kicking and screaming to scum.

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You don't see why Vecna as scum wouldn't crumb and wouldn't claim?



LuV is scum for that post alone people.

what lol?

I don't how Dave can reach the conclusion that Vecna is scum because Dave did not crumb or say who he was going to target.

He only has to guess one in a small subset where Dave picks two:

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Even if unsuccessful as a framing attempt that would also effectively protect at least one of the targets and perhaps both.

this is what I meant. I won't rush you but Nancy and Vecna are both scum.

And Nero

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Dave can't pick Creature or Maxous that is illegal in the wording of the wonder.

He would use a parity read to figure out who he wasn't sure of.

While Dave is pretty quiet still sure of a lot of reads so it really is a narrow list.

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Math, that team makes no sense. Reread me and nancy's interactions. We cannot be scum together lol.

Says the scum. Again every time I post you and Vecna are scum you beg me to read something else instead of addressing the true point.

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Literally. Like why would I protect someone I'm voting for and have been scum reading since the middle of D1? lol

Common bussing technique bussing horribly called distancing see 1800.

I have only lost one scum game due to a mistake.
One due to strongman scum NKing me for being too townie
One due to replacing into bones slot
One due to mod error

That is it. Rest are Town victories. Don't ask me why scum would do something answer wifom or so they get townread.

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Rest are scum victories*

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All caught up. Really want to see mod's answer on my question, as a fabricated "no result" would serve as an attempt to frame 3 players, my 2 targets and the claimed RB.

I understand that you want the answer, but it wasnt me Dave.

In all likelyhood I was roleblocked by creature - who you should townread given your result. And he stated several times he would RB me.

One of your 2 targets had the chinese wall, and is thus scum.

It would help us if you out your results imo.

But you said you weren't roleblocked

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I've linked scum games in which you've ignored for whatever reason. I am not scum here!

Oh I have read PyP scum mafia thread 4 times now. Reading it anymore I will have it memorized.

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Even if unsuccessful as a framing attempt that would also effectively protect at least one of the targets and perhaps both.
Hell of a move for scum, and it's a really nice theory that nancy would take Red Fort but quite a stretch -- the kind that scum take.

Pedit: there were plenty of "suggestions" on who to target, and in fact at least one threat in that regard.

It was a stretch, but one that did no harm. It was a zero loss if it didnt work, but a lot to gain if it did work for town.

And Nero

yes Math. I've been tunneling on my scumbuddy Nancy for days and you were all to stupid to think I'd bus/distance from her. And we almost got away with it to if if wasn't for Titus' sister!


but real talk. You've played like trash (if town) I suspected you and prob hurt your feelings. I apologize for whatever you think I did but lets you know win the game? You are right on Vecna and Nancy so ok.

You mean two slots I have suspected since the beginning and am just now allowed to talk about because others inexplicably townread it and fighting through post bans, insults, and downright personal attacks?

I am a fighter. I don't play like trash. I play like I will fight til the bitter end even if I go down with the scum.

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I've linked scum games in which you've ignored for whatever reason. I am not scum here!

Oh I have read PyP scum mafia thread 4 times now. Reading it anymore I will have it memorized.

So how am I scum then? lol

And I have 3 other scum games on site.

I did already explained and have read plenty.

PyP is most relevant as it is recent and scum with Vecna.

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Like I said I has hammers.
I gotta go.

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Gorkington whyyyy???

All it does is stop their actions???

So in other words Dave could still be killed.

Gorkington is scum or wtf town.

RC kill me please.

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I am outed as having Aspergers in the thread

That means I have trouble understanding sarcasm or some social conventions

I play mafia to get better

Like the go for broke to me is a lie based on how I learned the phrase. Guess it means something else.

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Like just stop that shit PLEASE

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I am playing actual civ. But will check the thread for hammers.

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idk, I think I'll leave scum to kill MB.

If they decide to leave him/her to lategame, it's their problem they'll have one unlynchable town to worry about.

Them

Please

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wait Math.

Why I want to build some nukes and destroy things.

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Can we please please talk about your scumread on me. Like its going to massively fuck over the town so we need to fix it.

Not urgent enough to stop me from playing civ.

My ISO has stuff in it.

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Dunno but if anyone gets vig they should shoot me.

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I need something more, ugh why can't there be a better vig Wonder.

How is there a better vig that will fucking work no matter what?

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Dunno but if anyone gets vig they should shoot me.

No one is shooting you or any Town at this point.

I should be dead tonight if Town gets the vig if we lynch successfully. Period. Then remaining town gets a cop to work with as I am not announcing my target so it can't be messed with. As I would be dead, I can't be roleblocked so the only thing that could fuck with me is if I out Wifom Vecna.

If we mislynch then Town should wait a day to see if we are in true LyLO.

FYI whoever has the D4 wonder really fucked up by not putting me in on it. I would have loved someone to sync with but right now I feel right, alone, personally attacked, and no real way to validate anything and fighting a largely upstream battle as I feel scum are mostly the ones posting.

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Like if stop all actions can stop all actions of the dead I would be sad.

Moderator: Assume player X has Stonehenge. Player Y performs stop all actions on player X. Would that stop the flip?

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In other words can someone rolestop the dead?

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I kinda want the pyramids but then I'd like to hold out for a vig/cop.

Why did you not pick up the vig?

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My scumread on Creature is basically like several of his posts are this sort of confused "I don't know whats going on" and that just seems p fake to me. Though Titus' "Nero ignored the Max wagon" "He wasn't even a wagon when I voted Creature." "Welll...welll...you are ignoring it now!" Games with Titus would be a lot less frustrating if she'd just take being proven wrong in stride instead of trying to argue that she's right all the time.

You have several posts like this in your ISO.

Creature is now confTown.

How can you maintain the "I am so right trope" when there are several instances of you being flat out wrong?

Pedit: Wonders are likely more powerful as times age but you and LUV have the same tripe.

We are close to LyLO. You both plot out the same bullshit lies. It is the same thing in slingers. How do you expect me to townread you when it is so similar?